#indieweb 2024-09-26

2024-09-26 UTC
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[schmarty] uuhhmmmm https://wpenginestatus.com/incidents/640187
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[schmarty] (WP Engine confirms that http://wordpress.org is blocking their customers from accessing the plugins and themes directories)
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aaronpk well that's a choice
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[schmarty] learned via https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat/113200417696589275 where, as the first reply says, "This is all very cool and normal"
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Loqi [preview] [Zach Leatherman :11ty:] Shockwaves are hitting developers now as Matt appears to have disabled WP Engine’s access to the WordPress plugin repository https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1fpeqn2/plugin_repository_inaccessible_to_wp_engine/ (via @collinsworth)
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[tw2113] it's a %&#@show
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jimw I have a hard time seeing a way that doesn't all blow up in Automattic's face pretty badly, and hope the open-source WordPress project doesn't suffer too much collateral damage in the process.
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gRegor Oof
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[schmarty] oh https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine-banned/
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Kupietz Is the meeting starting late, or am I having technical difficulties? Stuck on "Waiting for the host to start the meeting"
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gRegor I think GWG is running a bit late to start
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Kupietz Np. Thanks.
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GWG I left a message
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GWG Bridge was out...be able to start shortly
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GWG Just got here
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angelo i started the zoom
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GWG Thank you
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GWG I left a note
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GWG Logging in now
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[snarfed] wow. calling them out is one thing, that seems ok, but blocking them from the plugin directory does not seem ok
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[tw2113] it's blocking everything originating from http://wordpress.org
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[tw2113] from what i understand, so themes and core updates too
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catgirlin.space interesting way to describe it (i didn’t watch the q&a though so idk)
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catgirlin.space https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1288691563844730984/image0.jpg?ex=66f61b0b&is=66f4c98b&hm=bedb243e6f5f5a7d9477af118e75d6f840d955d9e37fcdcba6a7cf27c3f5e13d&
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voxpelli Most plugins on WordPress.org are not created by the Automattic / Matt Mullenweg people – feels odd to keep those plugins hostage in this situation
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pmlnr "It has also emerged that the WordPress Foundation has filed trademarks for “managed WordPress” and “hosted WordPress”."
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pmlnr The what now?
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pmlnr https://journal.rmccue.io/431/wp-engine-must-win/
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[manton] I can see Matt’s perspective on this. The WP plugin directory is essentially funded by Matt and Automattic. Nothing stopping a WP Engine customer from installing plugins manually, or WP Engine building their own directory.
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[manton] It’s obviously very destructive to the community. But also maybe necessary to highlight what is and isn’t part of the open source project.
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[mattl] http://wp.org must be able to operate independently of Matt/Automattic.
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[manton] That’s ideal. Before now I thought it _was_ independent. But clearly the foundation is tied very closely to Automattic revenue.
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[schmarty] if nothing else i appreciate how this is shining a light on how it's all tied back to MM.
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[manton] Yep. I think everything should be more transparent. Maybe the WP Foundation should have explicit fees for hosting providers to use the directory and other resources. There probably shouldn’t be back-room deals anymore.
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[manton] Pretty fascinating though. I’m glad I’m not actively involved in any of the drama. 🙂
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[Joe_Crawford] reactions inside the "Making WordPress" Slack to the last 2 posts in their announcements channel:
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[Joe_Crawford] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2024/09/indieweb-20240926-152920-image.png
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[mattl] I think the foundation, http://wp.org and http://wp.com should all be independent things. I’d argue it’s a bad idea for http://wp.com to not redirect to pressable or another Automattic venture.
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[mattl] [Joe_Crawford] he’s also using at-channel which is a big no-no there. (I’m there too)
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[Joe_Crawford] It's of a piece with making it a hair-on-fire emergency. I think channel notifications can be useful and I don't begrudge them when appropriate. But like an 'allhands"
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[Joe_Crawford] ...email it ought to be used sparingly.
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[manton] It is remarkable how this went from a blog post to an emergency so quickly.
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[Joe_Crawford] "Pugnacious" is how I'd characterize it. And there are times when that mode is appropriate for a leader. I have not been able to sort out how this _particular_ contractual scenario deserves it.
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[Joe_Crawford] ^ correct, Loqi. Thanks!
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capjamesg[d] I hope FrESH went / is going well!
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[Joe_Crawford] Went very well James. Thanks! 🙂
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[mattl] Sorry to have missed it. Public transportation died on me.
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[Joe_Crawford] All good. How are your teeth?
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[mattl] as best they can be with a lack of attention over the years.
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capjamesg[d] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1288945382021136496/IMG_6448.png?ex=66f7076e&is=66f5b5ee&hm=57d122b4471d50da5bd846433d59ce53e524f22a1d50c25fbb2afcd64963f5fb&
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capjamesg[d] The “Highly Cited” label here is interesting UX.
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[tantek] It is! capjamesg[d]++
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Loqi capjamesg[d] has 65 karma in this channel over the last year (193 in all channels)
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[tantek] What product or service is that?
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sdavidprince What is micropub
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Loqi Micropub is an open web standard (W3C Recommendation) and API for creating, editing, and deleting posts on websites, like on your own domain, supported by numerous third-party clients, CMSs, and social readers https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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sdavidprince Okay can it be used on a blogger blog like connecting to the blogger API or sirt
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Loqi hey sdavidprince, it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (Micropub, API)
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sdavidprince 👍🏾
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