#indieweb 2024-09-26

2024-09-26 UTC
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[schmarty]
(WP Engine confirms that http://wordpress.org is blocking their customers from accessing the plugins and themes directories)
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aaronpk
well that's a choice
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[schmarty]
learned via https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat/113200417696589275 where, as the first reply says, "This is all very cool and normal"
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Loqi
[preview] [Zach Leatherman :11ty:] Shockwaves are hitting developers now as Matt appears to have disabled WP Engine’s access to the WordPress plugin repository https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1fpeqn2/plugin_repository_inaccessible_to_wp_engine/ (via @collinsworth)
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[tw2113]
it's a %&#@show
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jimw
I have a hard time seeing a way that doesn't all blow up in Automattic's face pretty badly, and hope the open-source WordPress project doesn't suffer too much collateral damage in the process.
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Loqi
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Kupietz
Is the meeting starting late, or am I having technical difficulties? Stuck on "Waiting for the host to start the meeting"
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gRegor
I think GWG is running a bit late to start
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Kupietz
Np. Thanks.
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GWG
I left a message
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GWG
Bridge was out...be able to start shortly
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GWG
Just got here
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angelo
i started the zoom
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GWG
Thank you
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GWG
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GWG
Logging in now
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[snarfed]
wow. calling them out is one thing, that seems ok, but blocking them from the plugin directory does not seem ok
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[tw2113]
it's blocking everything originating from http://wordpress.org
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[tw2113]
from what i understand, so themes and core updates too
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catgirlin.space
interesting way to describe it (i didn’t watch the q&a though so idk)
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voxpelli
Most plugins on WordPress.org are not created by the Automattic / Matt Mullenweg people – feels odd to keep those plugins hostage in this situation
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pmlnr
"It has also emerged that the WordPress Foundation has filed trademarks for “managed WordPress” and “hosted WordPress”."
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pmlnr
The what now?
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[manton]
I can see Matt’s perspective on this. The WP plugin directory is essentially funded by Matt and Automattic. Nothing stopping a WP Engine customer from installing plugins manually, or WP Engine building their own directory.
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[manton]
It’s obviously very destructive to the community. But also maybe necessary to highlight what is and isn’t part of the open source project.
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[mattl]
http://wp.org must be able to operate independently of Matt/Automattic.
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[manton]
That’s ideal. Before now I thought it _was_ independent. But clearly the foundation is tied very closely to Automattic revenue.
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[schmarty]
if nothing else i appreciate how this is shining a light on how it's all tied back to MM.
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[manton]
Yep. I think everything should be more transparent. Maybe the WP Foundation should have explicit fees for hosting providers to use the directory and other resources. There probably shouldn’t be back-room deals anymore.
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[manton]
Pretty fascinating though. I’m glad I’m not actively involved in any of the drama. 🙂
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[Joe_Crawford]
reactions inside the "Making WordPress" Slack to the last 2 posts in their announcements channel:
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[mattl]
I think the foundation, http://wp.org and http://wp.com should all be independent things. I’d argue it’s a bad idea for http://wp.com to not redirect to pressable or another Automattic venture.
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[mattl]
[Joe_Crawford] he’s also using at-channel which is a big no-no there. (I’m there too)
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[Joe_Crawford]
It's of a piece with making it a hair-on-fire emergency. I think channel notifications can be useful and I don't begrudge them when appropriate. But like an 'allhands"
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[Joe_Crawford]
...email it ought to be used sparingly.
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[manton]
It is remarkable how this went from a blog post to an emergency so quickly.
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[Joe_Crawford]
"Pugnacious" is how I'd characterize it. And there are times when that mode is appropriate for a leader. I have not been able to sort out how this _particular_ contractual scenario deserves it.
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Loqi
Front End Study Hall #011 is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/cuRUYMWwYWGI
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[Joe_Crawford]
^ correct, Loqi. Thanks!
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capjamesg[d]
I hope FrESH went / is going well!
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[Joe_Crawford]
Went very well James. Thanks! 🙂
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[mattl]
Sorry to have missed it. Public transportation died on me.
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[Joe_Crawford]
All good. How are your teeth?
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[mattl]
as best they can be with a lack of attention over the years.
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capjamesg[d]
The “Highly Cited” label here is interesting UX.
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[tantek]
It is! capjamesg[d]++
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Loqi
capjamesg[d] has 65 karma in this channel over the last year (193 in all channels)
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[tantek]
What product or service is that?
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sdavidprince
What is micropub
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Loqi
Micropub is an open web standard (W3C Recommendation) and API for creating, editing, and deleting posts on websites, like on your own domain, supported by numerous third-party clients, CMSs, and social readers https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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sdavidprince
Okay can it be used on a blogger blog like connecting to the blogger API or sirt
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Loqi
hey sdavidprince, it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (Micropub, API)
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sdavidprince
👍🏾
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