btremUsing webmentions, you can record likes, reposts, etc. on a post. There is no way (that I know of) to thank people who helped with a post in some manner. Has anyone ever discussed this idea?
btremSpecifically, I'm thinking of a webmention-y way of thanking people for editing draft copies of my articles, but I imagine other things might be desirable.
[tantek]aaronpk, I can think of one as a potential receiver of such webmentions: an automatic home page display / feed of "posts I helped with/reviewed before publication"
Loqifriendly reminder btrem, aaronpk, can you move the tech talk (Microformats, markup) to #indieweb-dev to keep this channel more inclusive and inviting?
btremIn fact, gRegor, you're the one I'm crediting, for looking over my article about microformats. (I dare not specify the topic any further. I've already peeved Loqi once today.)
btremI can poll GitHub to display a list of my repos and display them on my website. I think I can request a list of contributions, though ICBW. Can I do something similar with my contributions to the indieweb or microformats wiki? I don't think so, but it's worth asking.
[tantek]alright, time to document the human visible publishing behavior, and the we can use that to inform consuming use-cases and then any #indieweb-dev brainstorming
btrem[tantek]: Problem is how to document it. As I said, you can't search the web for "article thank you" because you get only garbage. But I'll try "acknowledgements" and report back here.
[tantek]btrem, from my anecdotal experience, people literally say "thanks to …" near the footer of their blogs for help with editing, reviewing, feedback on a post
btremYes. It's what I do. But when I stfw for "article thank you", I got "how to engage with visitors who signed up for your newsletter. IOW, marketing crap.
[tantek]and pretty sure [benatwork] has "Thanks to ..." credits in footers of some articles crediting folks who reviewed or gave feedback on early drafts
btremHah! I tried that and failed. I have what is probably a pretty unusual problem. Years after registering my domain btrem.com, some musical artist from Brazil I think emerged with the name "Btrem." And she has taken over in web searches! Try googling "btrem" and you'll see what I mean. Didn't use to be that way.
btremEven if I search for "btrem.com foo" I get results for her! Yeah, I'll have to explicitly use the filter as you said. Thanks for the reminder, I couldn't remember the syntax. [tantek]++
[tantek]yes we incentivize people (beyond good feels) to help advance the indieweb by contributing examples on their sites to the wiki with the little bit of search juice. I think that's fine
Loqi↬ giving credit is a collection of cultural practices related to acknowledging and attributing text, hyperlinks, quotes, utterances to others, typically by name, as a way of recognizing their contribution(s) https://indieweb.org/giving_credit
gRegorTook me a minute to get to that page. The chat reminded me I sometimes will post a "via" or "h/t" (hat tip) + link when I'm sharing something. Found /via redirected there :)
[tantek]there's probably enough structure there to already to stub a new page, however I'm hoping the addition of btrem's (and possibly others if we can find them) examples will illuminate naming what the practice is
btremI do think that acknowledgements and acknowledge have different feelings. Acknowledge can sound begrudging. But acknowledgements does not. I think because I actually read the acknowledgements section of books. Not every time, but often.
[tantek]another acks example, at the start of an IndieWebCamp create day demos session (expected to be the final session of the camp, when everyone is paying attention, including remote viewers, and getting it recorded for posterity) https://indieweb.org/2024/SD/intro-demos#Acknowledgements
[morganm]I made this proposal on Mozilla Web Docs on GitHub to add a section about Web Sustainability. If this or the links contained within interest you, would love it if you commented or emoji'd support for what you may like to see or that it gets worked on
pmlnrtalking about webmentions (no Loqi, no -dev), please try to figure out if they fall into www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/online_safety_act or not. I believe not.
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[Scout]i came across https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/14/online_safety_act/?td=rt-3a which certainly fucks up the kidney patient forum i am managing on the side. probably have to archive it... anyway, is this something we have to worry about with slack and discord? or does it not apply? it's like the government is purposefully trying to screw over small non-profits and hobby users in favour of massive multi-nationals 😠
pmlnrthere's a loophole in the act: it doesn't apply to private or business internal things. Theoretically that means that invite-only services are exempt.
aaronpkit says it applies to sites with a "significant" number of UK users, which would presumably exclude most indieweb sites for people who are outside of the UK
aaronpkwebmentions are also very much a grey area because you don't "use" my site when you send me a webmention, you use your own site, so it's not clear whether that applies at all
[tantek]Agreed aaronpk. If your site doesn't allow other "users" at all to post stuff from it like with an account on your site, then I don't see how it applies
aaronpktho mediawiki is an interesting one too because the intent of the site is not to let users talk to each other the way a social networking site works, although you certainly can use it for that
carrvo[d]I think the UK safety act is an interesting to think about with Webmentions (with respect to content control and audience). Not having to comply means that more thought and discussion can be had, and it can always be abandoned.
[aciccarello] I think there was some discussion of co-authors but editors sounds different.
osteophage In blogging I've seen that called an acknowledgements section.
[tantek] closest I found is this: https://indieweb.org/posts#Inline_and_other_references
Loqi ↬ giving credit is a collection of cultural practices related to acknowledging and attributing text, hyperlinks, quotes, utterances to others, typically by name, as a way of recognizing their contribution(s) https://indieweb.org/giving_credit
petermolnar at least according to https://ofcomlive.my.salesforce-sites.com/formentry/RegulationChecker
capjamesg[d] Reminder that we have HWC London / Europe Online this evening: https://events.indieweb.org/2025/01/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-tgJwRgluFocb