#indieweb 2025-02-03

2025-02-03 UTC
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sebbu I usually just get vanilla :)
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[aciccarello] My in-laws somehow managed to get "year of free ice cream" cards from their local franchise for the last 2 years.
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Lars-Christian Finally reconstructed the posts archive for my blog with (almost) everything I've posted to my blog since I started it back in 2005.
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Lars-Christian Internet Archive ftw!
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[Jo] nice
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[tantek] Lars-Christian++ nicely done! What kind of archive UI do you have for navigating them?
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Loqi Lars-Christian has 1 karma over the last year
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Lars-Christian Thanks @[tantek] just a simple yearly table of contents at the top https://lars-christian.com/posts/
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Lars-Christian Been thinking about something tag based like Rach Smith does https://rachsmith.com/tags/ but in my experience nobody ever uses anything other than a chronological archive ^_^
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[tantek] oh nice! and then a flat list of posts grouped by year sections
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[tantek] what is archive
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Loqi archive in the context of the indieweb refers to date-grouped (often monthly) sets of posts (AKA personal historical archives, a common form of temporal navigation), but can sometimes mean archival copy, a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time https://indieweb.org/archive
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[tantek] archive << IndieWeb Example: https://lars-christian.com/posts/
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Loqi ok, I added "IndieWeb Example: https://lars-christian.com/posts/" to the "See Also" section of /archive https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=99800&oldid=89280
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Lars-Christian Yeah, trying to keep it super simple
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GWG [tantek]: That question I asked yesterday... you weren't around, but do you have any thoughts? That's usually the sort of thing you gave thought to. Different ways to present lists/directories
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[tantek] Sounds a bit abstract. Do you have a specific use in mind?
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GWG [tantek]: Follow list, list of acquisitions(e.g. Chris Aldrich and his typewriters), etc
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GWG I'm looking for some design inspiration
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sebbu i have lots of lists, but they're usually simple in design, the most important thing is being complet, up-to-date, and easy to update (preferably automatically)
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sebbu complete*
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jeremycherfas If entries aren't too long, I like to have two columns if the container is wide. Especially if they are links.
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GWG I just think simple bulleted lists are visually overdone
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GWG Wondering about other designs, even table style
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sebbu it also depends how simple or complex what you're listing is
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jeremycherfas ^ that
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sebbu ie, for novels, i want to read the reading position, which can be in multiple part (volume, chapter, part)
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sebbu s/read/store/
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sebbu also i have several reading list depending on state (currently reading, plan to read, completed, dropped, stalled, paused)
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GWG sebbu: Do you have any links to show me?
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jeremycherfas Here's my list of books read, TV watched etc https://www.jeremycherfas.net/what-ive-watched.html
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sebbu https://sebbu2.github.io/LN-backup-sync/#listings thoses onesaren't up to date, but they were complete (and most important, automatically generated by me)
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jeremycherfas No visible bullets
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sebbu https://myanimelist.net/mangalist/sebbu or https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/9498997?ref=nav_mybooks
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GWG Hmmm...
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sebbu the first link is for www.royalroad.com, which hosts stories before books gets published into amazon (kindle unlimited)
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sebbu I recently subscribed to a few dozen newsletters of book authors, and i end up getting giveaways / advanced reading copies on one of 2 sites : storyoriginapps or bookfunnel
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[tantek] GWG, a follow(er|ing)s list and a list of acquisitions are quite different use-cases! the information you might display (or not) in each case is quite different
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[tantek] what sebbu said and jeremycherfas that'd about "depends how simple or complex what you're listing is"
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GWG Yes, I'm looking to improve all my list type displays
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GWG I can show you an active example
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GWG Like this one I already have https://david.shanske.com/2024/12/18/map/
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GWG I like the timeline list but.... could be better
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[tantek] great example, a list of places benefits greatly from a map overview display
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/games/ Here's another
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GWG I want to do more types and trying to study examples for inspiration
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[tantek] I think it's ok to start with a "simple" unordered list with default styling of plain text items, and then progressively enhance from there
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[tantek] maybe we can collect examples of different types of lists on wiki pages and go from there
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[tantek] I agree with jeremycherfas example/point that depending on the list (or items therein) no visible bullets may be needed
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[tantek] GWG, you can also search Wikipedia for examples of lists of various kinds of things, and see what aspects they include. they often use tables for this
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jeremycherfas Thanks [tantek] I use the indentation as a way of indicating the "depth" of each item, and the truth is that there are very few days with more than one entry, so perhaps not needed.
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sebbu todo lists !
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sebbu groceries lists (you just need to be able to check items on the list while walking through the shop with your smartphone)
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sebbu (todo lists works too for that, just mark products in the cart as completed tasks)
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sebbu recipe list (contains ingredients and a list of steps)
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GWG Maybe I need to attend a Front End Study Hall for this
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jeremycherfas That would be fun.
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[Joe_Crawford] There’ll be one next week GWG. As tantek indicated, “all list type displays” is large and not really “solvable”— I think if you brought some specific lists we could brainstorm a lot of the ways to work with them. From bullets, metadata, spacing, typographic aspects, interactivity aspects. So highly encourage you to bring some lists of items to style.
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GWG I would
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GWG But not sure I'm available
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GWG I'll have to check
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[Joe_Crawford] I’ve not adjusted the times for FrESH in a while. I’m up for adjusting the one after next.
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[Joe_Crawford] I’m vaguely up for a pop up that’s list focused
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jeremycherfas I'm up to switch lists from horizontal to vertical for larger and smaller screens
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GWG I'm happy to propose a pop-up about it
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GWG We're overdue for popping
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Lars-Christian @GWG for https://david.shanske.com/2024/12/18/map/ I think just removing the bullets would clean it up a lot. The timestamp doubles as the item marker.
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jeremycherfas I really need to crack on with my ground-up redesign; fixing the dark mode stuff has made my site much less attractive than it used to be, at least in light mode, which, of course, is where I spend my time.
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[Joe_Crawford] GWG and [jeremycherfas] if you two can agree on a time weds or thurs I’m in
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jeremycherfas This week? Going to be very difficult for me. Thursday I have an online lecture at 6pm CET and Wednesday I'll probably be baking around that time.
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[Joe_Crawford] How about Friday? Or Saturday?
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jeremycherfas Possible, although to be honest I'm happy to wait for the next proper FrESH
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[tantek] GWG, here you go: https://indieweb.org/list#Kinds_of_lists
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GWG [tantek]++
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GWG I'm usually free on the weekends
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GWG There's some sort of sporting event on Sunday I think though
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Lars-Christian Here's another example of how I do "list" on my site, with books I've read: https://lars-christian.com/logs/reading/
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Lars-Christian Quite different from post lists
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Lars-Christian I think the most important consideration is the nature of the information you're listing
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Lars-Christian For my books list, I try to vaguely evoke the feeling of each entry being a book in how I list them
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[Joe_Crawford] It’s a super rich topic. For me, the goal would be to try to enumerate why it’s such a rich topic. And then try to articulate why to have slightly different presentations of different kinds of lists.
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[Joe_Crawford] If it’s not a pop-up, that’s fine. And yes, I think it will be an evergreen topic for a front end study halls.
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GWG I wonder what other pop-ups might be possible
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GWG I miss them
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[tantek] consider for example a "list of photos" which is so specialized it has evolved into many ways of presentation
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[tantek] what is a photogrid
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Loqi photo grid is a visual display of a series of photo posts, typically 3 in a column, where only the photo of the post is visible, omitting the text https://indieweb.org/photogrid
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[Joe_Crawford] One on writing _*tomorrow*_ GWG, thanks to Sara I believe.
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[Joe_Crawford] when is writing?
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Loqi Online Homebrew Website Club - Writing Edition in 1 day https://events.indieweb.org/wP41KPyBU2aG
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[tantek] nice
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GWG Unfortunately it's often in the middle of my workday
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[Jo] ooh good thing youre talking about it i would have forgotten
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[Joe_Crawford] I can't think of a reminder system I like. Or a group scheduling system either. But [Jo] I hope you can come! I missed the last one for lack of putting it on my calendar.
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[Joe_Crawford] _the last writing event_
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[tantek] re: reminder system, I think it's like choose your own calendar system then subscribe to the ICS?
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GWG I hooked the ICS into my Home Assistant instance
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xgpt I'm interested in setting up a simple application that regularly pulls in a json file, parses it for updates, and then shoots off a simple HTTP GET/POST request to ping ntfy.sh based on some states. What would be the best way to do this? I could probably do it all in Python?
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xgpt I'd also like to add a webUI to turn the service on/off. Basically just a big switch to say "run/don't run"
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gRegor Hi xgpt, that's probably a better question for our #indieweb-dev channel
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desert.thunder Hey everybody! I'm Owais! Newish to the indie web and really liking what I'm finding. It feels like being a kid again.
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capjamesg[d] Welcome 👋
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desert.thunder I have a site and am sorta trying to find my voice and community https://desertthunder.dev
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desert.thunder [edit] I have a site and am sorta trying to find my voice and community https://desertthunder.dev
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capjamesg[d] I like the design of your website!
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desert.thunder The designer who made the template is really incredible
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desert.thunder https://eleventy-excellent.netlify.app/get-started/
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desert.thunder Lots of cool SVG usage and the docs have a ton of resources describing her inspiration
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Loqi friendly reminder desert.thunder, it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (template, SVG)
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desert.thunder [edit] Lots of cool SVG usage and the docs have a ton of resources describing her inspiration
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desert.thunder https://eleventy-excellent.netlify.app/get-started/
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desert.thunder Sorry!
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