#indieweb 2025-02-11

2025-02-11 UTC
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[Sophia_wood] love the post!
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schalkneethling [aciccarello]: https://schalkneethling.com
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schalkneethling [edit] [aciccarello]: https://schalkneethling.com
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GuestZero that's some avantgarde stuff
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[Jo] nice
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[Murray] is the lack of CSS intentional (or is it a me thing 😄)?
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[Murray] very cool content though; feel like I need to check out some of those podcast episodes 🙂
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doesnm no css!
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[Jo] i mean clearly there is css
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[Jo] just not a lot of it i think thats the point
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acegiak Interesting thought today, about how the primary social media posting of so many of my friends is through instagram stories, which kind of fundamentally doesn't work in any kind of distributed or federated ecosystem because the enforcement of the limitations on the availability of the content just instantly falls apart. I think there's potentially a version where it's ok if people understand that bad actors could potentially archive
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acegiak I have no idea what you would call the equivalent on indieweb or fedi or ATproto. Intentionally Disappearing Posts?
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Loqi hey acegiak, that's a lot of dev jargon! federated, ATProto... can you move to #indieweb-dev?
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[schmarty] not sure about a more descriptive name, but there are some good resources and examples gathered at https://indieweb.org/story
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[schmarty] ah, i don't see aaronpk's example on there - he has (had?) a feature on his site for stories on his homepage. if he has recently posted one, his avatar gets a halo and clicking on the avatar brings up the ephemeral post.
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aaronpk Still works! I just haven't posted anything in a while
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aaronpk And to be fair, Instagram stories are also easy to archive, just take a screenshot or screen recording
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doesnm why we need stories in banking app?
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bossy if my bank brought in stories into the app, it would be enough for me to swap banks
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[tantek] That kind of mismatch between feature and app is a clue that the app has incentive to hold your attention which likely means it is sending your real time behavioral data to various trackers
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[tantek] We have a lot of mentions of "unpublished" in our prior chats (https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=unpublished) and a few mentions on the wiki, however we don't have a page for it
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[tantek] One challenge I see is two distinct uses (by folks here, in the wild, etc.)
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[tantek] one meaning of "unpublished" is "has yet to be published", a kind (state?) of a draft, perhaps private or perhaps shared with folks using an unlisted URL
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[tantek] another meaning of "unpublished"' is in reference to an action taken "unpublish" after the fact, i.e. site X unpublished posts by author Y.
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[tantek] I've used the first meaning myself, though I'm leaning towards the latter meaning, in the same way as "undo"
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[tantek] I wonder if there is an alternative/better term for the first meaning of "unpublished"
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carrvo "Draft" is a pretty standard term in writing for a shared work that has yet to be officially "published" so I don't see why you distinguish it here. "Beta testing" being similar for software but less appealing.
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carrvo Or "early access" is common for online.
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] I used "unpublished draft" to emphasise that despite having a URL, the post is not yet published as a full post on my site.
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capjamesg[d] Maybe unpublished is redundant, but maybe the nuance is helpful.
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carrvo "Undo" and "removed" are pretty good terms for the removal of published content.
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carrvo I think the semantic changes whether you are talking about a draft for the purpose of storing in-flight work, or a copy for review before official publication (shared with a limited audience).
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carrvo Oo, "expunged" seems like a cool word to use.
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[aciccarello] I typically think of unpublished as referring to drafts. While the work could make sense for removing content, I don't tend to use or interpret it that way.
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[aciccarello] In print "unpublished works" are usually content that was not yet published
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gRegor In ProcessWire it has an "unpublished" state, which is basically a draft. The post has a URL but it's not public on the site and would 404 if anyone other than a signed in admin accessed it.
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gRegor All new posts have that state by default. The UI has a "Publish" button and a "Save and Keep Unpublished" button. Once it's published, though, there isn't a "verb" button to unpublish it; instead under the post settings you can check the "Unpublished" box.
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[tantek] if existing software/services already have "unpublished" as a literal label in their UI, that is reason enough to document a specific page for it with those examples to start with
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[tantek] we may have to live with the term having two meanings, i.e. either before or after "published" (but not deleted)
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capjamesg[d] https://werd.io/2025/tumblr-to-join-the-fediverse-after-wordpress-migration-completes
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capjamesg[d] [edit] https://werd.io/2025/tumblr-to-join-the-fediverse-after-wordpress-migration-completes
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[snarfed] "after we migrate Tumblr to WordPress" is kind of like saying "after we boil this ocean"
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[tantek] yup
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capjamesg[d] My site now has next/prev links on articles that are part of a series, and backlink sections at the bottom of articles.
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aaronpk navigation++
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[tantek] navigation++