#indieweb 2026-01-20

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[tantek] Those are good considerations, how much to be anti something that may be harmful vs pro something positive that you're proud of
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[tantek] I could see something all all words handtyped, or all diagrams hand drawn etc
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[tantek] Starts to get into /colophon territory of what tools you use to create
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aspizu I would'nt consider svg to be AI
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aspizu and by AI i mean generative AI
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aspizu specifically
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aspizu aspizu[d]: speaking of the webpage for this, should i get a domain or link it to my site
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aspizu well i dont even have a domain for myself uet
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aspizu [edit] well i dont even have a domain for myself atm
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[Al_Abut] [tantek] good point about the secret society. I mean what else is a group of friends but a little cult, right? Especially if you’re doing something creative on your own site. Then the focus on obscure in-jokes is a bonding feature and not a clarity bug.
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[tantek] Exactly [Al_Abut]. Design for an intentional audience. Unfortunately all too often designers leap into the mass adoption pitfall
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[Al_Abut] [tantek] not exactly what I’m saying. I’m saying I grade on a curve when it’s not a commercial product 🤣
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[Al_Abut] [KevinMarks] just watched your Ignite talk while making tonight’s pasta dinner. Fun story!
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[Al_Abut] I like the Sixth Sense-style twist at the end.
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ulhar4409 today i thought about building a tumblr/cohost style askbox that you could submit to via webmention comments
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ulhar4409 probably wouldn't be super hard by itself, but i don't get a lot of spare time these days
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ulhar4409 main thing would be storing comments without showing them so that site owner can reply to asks as they wish... and then whatever privacy options host want to implement/respect
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domushen hello! i am domushen! my home is https://domu.reisen/ ^^ have been looking around at indieweb sites for the last couple of hours, all this stuff is super inspiring.
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[Al_Abut] @domushen very fun!
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Ekul domushen++ love it!
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ulprus LOL
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ulprus https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577279223595022/1463058451969212477/CleanShot_2026-01-20_at_15.31.442x.png?ex=697072dd&is=696f215d&hm=d2badf8b2c11f2dc10b3304ff2265a2059b2f40aa68199f24d4c06b3a4b9c5e8&
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capjamesg The bridge we use to connect IRC/Slack to Discord occasionally gets confused with profile pictures 😭
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[aciccarello] Does anyone hear people talk about actually seeing things on threads? I'm wondering if it'd be worth POSSEing there
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[snarfed] threads is so odd. supposedly it's huge, more DAUs than X now, but it seems to matter so little
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[aciccarello] I think it was the Garbage Day newsletter that described it as just a collection of screenshots of posts from other sites
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[aciccarello] Meta is still limiting what servers can federate, right?
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[aciccarello] Like you can't read bridgy fed posts on Threads
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[KevinMarks] Threads is applying a tiktok algorithm to text so it shows posts to people entirely unconnected from who they follow, leading to a lot of blank incomprehension. Also it's still promoting them to Instagram users
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[KevinMarks] Katie Notopolous calls it the gas leak network as every response seems like they have carbon monoxide poisoning
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[aciccarello] Found the threads issues https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/1210
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[aciccarello] I didn't realize it was working
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[tantek] aciccarello I occasionally see Threads permalinks posted in some other places
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[tantek] beyond the people I follow there, Threads keeps inserting random people's "creative writing" (supposed personal anecdotes which I'm 99% convinced are made up to get sympathy, likes, comments, engagement etc.)
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[tantek] I've cranked down my Threads iOS screen time limit to 1minute per day week days, 5minutes on weekends and frankly that's working for me. So occasionally I may check a permalink someone shares to find the actual source of something
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[snarfed] [aciccarello] right, BF has supported Threads both ways for a while now. the issue is more just that their fediverse integration itself isn't quite a first class citizen yet, and it's now in maintenace mode anyway
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[aciccarello] Yeah, I guess it is unsurprising that Meta cooled on federation when the public interest faded. I could totally see them shutting it off.
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[tantek] re: "isn't quite a first class citizen yet" — I blame the lack of test suites for this, not lack of will
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[snarfed] [tantek] I meant Threads's fediverse integration isn't a first class citizen yet. did you interpret it differently? since I think that's much more to business and product strategy than lack of test suite
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[snarfed] (test suite would help! but I doubt it was the key blocker there)
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[snarfed] (esp after talking with eng and product people on that team for a while)
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[tantek] it is the key blocker because what makes something "first class"? when there aren't objective criteria (a test suite), then who is the authority? de facto? as in "Mastodon first class"? because that sucks too
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[tantek] also the hate directed at Threads from a certain outspoken subset of Masto folks
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[tantek] tends to harm motivation to improve things
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[tantek] another example of the Mastohate phenomenon that [manton] blogged about recently
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[snarfed] this wasn't about protocol interop, it was product decisions, ie how the UX for fediverse stuff inside Threads worked. that's a less obvious target for protocol compliance test suites
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[tantek] how has Loqi not yelled at us yet lol
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[manton] Is this the first time Mastohate has been coined as a term? 🙂 Does fit some things that have been bothering me.
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[manton] Threads’ ActivityPub going into maintenance mode is still disappointing. There were close. I think a lot of thought and work went into the initial implementation.
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Loqi friendly reminder [snarfed] [manton], it seems like this conversation is more appropriate for #indieweb-dev (protocol, ActivityPub, implementation)
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[manton] Haha, there you go.
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[tantek] [manton] pretty sure I've used the term before. also fedirage
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[tantek] [manton] here's a 2024 use of "fedihate" https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2024-02-15#t1708014547711100
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[snarfed] \
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[manton] Thanks. “fedihate” and “fedirage” read a little better than “mastohate”, if I’m being picky.
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[tantek] agreed
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[tantek] (apologies for digging up bad opt-in opt-out fights memories [snarfed])
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[manton] I’d love to see someone do a deeper dive into whether fediverse-style smaller communities (with a local timeline and opinionated admins) lead to a mob-like behavior. Without discounting the obvious _good_ that comes from small communities and healthy moderation too.
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[snarfed] no worries [tantek]! totally ok, conversation is good
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[manton] There’s also the culture of prioritizing consent / private-ish content that feels like very much a Mastodon thing. That’s how I read the opt-in backlash.
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[snarfed] yeah the norms for that vary widely by network
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[tantek] [manton] yes, did you see the article that summarized that behavior in a pithy quote? https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2024-02-15/1708017782371400
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[manton] [tantek] I can’t remember if I had read that when it was first published… Looking at again.
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[KevinMarks] Feudiverse
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[KevinMarks] Also if you do enable fedi sharing it offers to turn it off again every few weeks
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aks i now have webmention stuff, feel freee to spam me lol https://akselmo.dev/posts/webmention-support/
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to2ds All this exodus-ing between social platforms when something goes afoul. Wonder if they'll ever start exodus-ing to the independent web and be done with it once and for all? 🤔🙂
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to2ds [KevinMarks]++ Feudiverse XD
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[tantek] oh yeah that's a term that's bee used a long time
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[tantek] we have page for that
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[tantek] what is feudiverse
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Loqi feudiverse is a portmanteau of “feud” or ”feudal” and another portmanteau, “fediverse”, alluding to the nature of any Twitter-like scroll and react interface as amplifying of disagreements & arguments, or the criticism of Mastodon and other servers run by an individual for many users as rebuilding a feudal model, the admin as feudal lord and users as serfs providing value without ownership https://indieweb.org/feudiverse
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to2ds Ah!
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to2ds Always learning new things here :)
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[tantek] "there's a wiki page for that" is the indieweb community version of "there's an app for that" 🙂
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to2ds Except checking the Wiki first...
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to2ds The Fediverse has allowed me, via the ActivityPub experiment (quiescent ATM), to be a paradox of both on social and not on social at the same time 🙂
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[tantek] big contrast between when you use your own website to peer with the "fediverse", vs having a hotel room in someone else's fedi/Masto instance
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[tantek] in the former, your own website dominates your sense of identity, in the latter, that other person's hotel dominates your identity
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to2ds Indeed!
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to2ds If anything and through that experiment, I've garnered the utmost respect for those who develop for and admin the Fediverse software and instances.
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ulhar4409 aks++
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Loqi aks has 5 karma over the last year
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ulhar4409 yay webmentions
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Loqi giggles
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aks thanks for the karmas
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aks :D
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Designing a service with IndieAuth and email-based login" https://jamesg.blog/2026/01/20/indieauth-email-login-design/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Designing a service with IndieAuth and email-based login" https://jamesg.blog/2026/01/20/indieauth-email-login-design
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capjamesg I was at the Edinburgh JS meetup this evening. Someone asked for my LinkedIn and I said you can have my website. They replied that they should say the same thing when giving out their contact info. I was delighted 😁
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to2ds Awesome!
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aks :D nice, i have a website with just links and contact info in case i need to share something quickly
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to2ds How do you exchange the websites, via QR codes?
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capjamesg Usually just by saying my domain name 😭
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capjamesg It isn’t a perfect method.
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aks i wish i could have gotten "aks.dev" but its owned by some randos :(
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to2ds That would be an awesome domain to have.
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to2ds Communicating my domain verbally would be just as aggravating as communicating my name verbally based on past experience of most misspelling both 99% of the time 😆
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to2ds Verbally communicating an IPv6 address would probably be easier.
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aks lmao
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aks im really happy i discovered this stuff
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aks now i need more indieweb to follow
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to2ds This channel in and of itself is a great and indirect way to follow.
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ulhar4409 i thought about saying something like "following my site's gonna be like watching a parade when i really get it going" and
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ulhar4409 why is this the first time i thought of a parade joke for that???
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to2ds Parade is a good analogy, or maybe a metaphor?
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ulhar4409 "parade" is mostly because of big balloons
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aks my rss feed reader hungers
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ulhar4409 i feel that
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to2ds Personally, I resonate less with feeds for the risk of becoming full.
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[morgan] If one desires links, Morgan has some links https://www.morganwebdev.org/links/
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Loqi [preview] © Morgan Murrah - morganwebdev.org 2026
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aks nice thx
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to2ds Links do feel more relaxing as opposed to figuring out if you missed anything in a feed having not perused it for a spell.
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aks i like rss readers but i dont try to read everything
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aks i also have remarkable2 tablet and my server runs a thingy for it that generates a "newspaper" for me to read from various feeds
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ulhar4409 oh real? that sounds neat
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to2ds That does sound neat!
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ulhar4409 anyone want to share their blogging workflows? (moreso for longer texts?) i am curious, considering i don't have one i especially like yet
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[morgan] Can you elaborate a little more on workflow? For me that word evokes images of hastily copying markdown frontmatter from an existing post, making a new file, copying it in and copying a half written post from obsidian into my text editor and then usually refining and fixing typos lol
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[morgan] Workflow implies some kind of plan or order but that is not always the case 😄
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[morgan] the indieweb chat is here to help nurture your style, long-form or shorter-form etc., choose the adventure
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[aciccarello] I write my blog posts in markdown in a code editor. It usually takes me a long time so I also have a page where I keep track of my drafts.
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ulhar4409 workflow might not necessarily be linear, but "flow" should be emphasized, i think
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[aciccarello] https://www.ciccarello.me/drafts/
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[morgan] Since it seems on topic, basically Im writing ideas all the time and notes into my editor of choice which is Obsidian. Ill write and curate a big list of draft topic ideas and add little bullet points as I think of them, and then sometimes when I have like 2-3 points or return to a topic and "still like it" then eventually I make the somewhat loose and chaotic transferral into Visual Studio Code where I make the markdown file and update the
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[morgan] basic front matter for a new post. Then I start writing into that and editing the post while running hugo server to see what it looks like on my site, and then I eventually get exhausted and want to publish it.
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[aciccarello] This seems relevant: https://front-end.social/@ashur/115919123988033614
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Loqi [preview] [Ashur Cabrera 🐦‍⬛] 📝 I wrote about my current answer to an often-invisible aspect of blogging (maybe especially blogging with a static-site generator) — “What’s your setup?” What tools are you using? How do you go from idea to draft to published post on you...
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[aciccarello] Or more directly
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[aciccarello] https://multiline.co/mment/2026/01/my-blogging-setup/
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Loqi [preview] My Blogging Setup, January 2026
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[morgan] This feels very on topic and on brand. I think its not too dev-y at all, people want to know what others are using, sometimes it opens real new doors and experiences to blogging and otherwise
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[morgan] what is uses?
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Loqi using is a page of tools and services that someone uses or likes to use, or can also refer to the name of an authoring and/or publishing application in the context of a post, though that secondary meaning is more precisely expressed as giving credit to applications https://indieweb.org/uses
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[morgan] I should re-make my uses page 🙂
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[aciccarello] I have some information about how my site is made on my colophon page. I haven't really felt like keeping a /uses page up to date.
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[morgan] Im thinking of making one with a particular focus on my music gear, as its proven really helpful and interesting to share that information and connect with people who have similar interests in the same music gear
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ulhar4409 using an existing code editor is probably fine for me (until multimedia gets involved) and Emacs is reasonably good at being "reprogrammed" for particular use cases, so it could be a good fit there, but awkward to use on my phone
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ulhar4409 for that matter .org doesn't get a lot of support outside of emacs (not that it's a particular problem for my server, but good luck finding a different app to write it in)
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Loqi ulhar4409: would you mind moving this more technical conversation (emacs) to #indieweb-dev? thanks!
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ulhar4409 lol