#indieweb 2026-01-22
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Loqi 📔 A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indieweb.org/status_update
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[aciccarello] I didn't see a section on that page about the naming of notes but I thought we had something
# [aciccarello] It comes up often enough
# Loqi toot was a humorous term for a note post in Mastodon that had its origins in a 2008 Twitter joke by Merlin Mann, suggested for adoption in Mastodon by Hbomberguy & officially adopted by Mastodon into its user experience in 2016, and finally removed in 2021 https://indieweb.org/toot
# Loqi A tweet is a note (or reply) posted on Twitter https://indieweb.org/tweet
# [aciccarello] What are thoughts?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "thoughts" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "thoughts is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [aciccarello] I know I've seen that too
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "deep thoughts" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "deep thoughts is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "skeets" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "skeets is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [aciccarello] Justin Searls uses (🔥) takes 😆
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "stream of consciousness" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "stream of consciousness is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "monologue" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "monologue is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for consuming code to determine the type of a post by its content properties and their values rather than an explicit “post type” property, thus better matched to modern post creation UIs that allow combining text, media, etc in a variety of ways without burdening users with any notion of what kind of post they are creating https://indieweb.org/PTD
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gRegor monologue could be /tweetstorm, haha
# Loqi ActivityStreams (AKA AS) is a standardization effort to define common types of objects and actions (verbs) taken on various social media sites that eventually produced Activity Streams 2.0 https://indieweb.org/ActivityStreams
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "shares" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "shares is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi share is a watered down verb that's used on the "social web" (and other platforms like Google's Android) to mean pretty much any action https://indieweb.org/share
# Loqi ♺ A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another (typically someone else’s) post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, and sometimes across sites https://indieweb.org/boost
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# Loqi appearances is a page on some IndieWeb sites that lists external pages and media that mention or include the author or something they created in some form, by name, image or other likeness, an interview or quotes therefrom, photos or other media by the author perhaps as part of larger piece of content such as a news article https://indieweb.org/appearances
# Loqi Homebrew Website Club - Pacific is starting soon! Join us! https://events.indieweb.org/qozK22YGfBjx
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aspizu does anyone know what happened to frogfind.com? it seems to be broken
# aspizu also, do you guys feel like we would benefit from an indieweb search engine?
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# osteophage Frogfind seems to load fine on my end.
# osteophage And for what it's worth, there are already a few indie web search engines.
# osteophage https://indieweb.org/discovery#IndieWeb_Search
# aspizu wait i confused it for
# aspizu https://wiby.me/
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "The Case For Comments" https://osteophage.neocities.org/essays/comments-use-case
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capjamesg I scratched an itch I have had for a while: airportpianos.org now uses a form on my domain (https://forms.jamesg.blog/forms/airport-pianos/) rather than Google Forms.
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zacharykaiwrites Hooray for making what we use!
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# zacharykaiwrites I've created a Vintage Cars Webring, if anyone wants to join! For enthusiasts, not just owners: https://zacharykai.net/lists/vintagecars
# [Al_Abut] [zacharykaiwrit] love this idea! I've been a car nut my whole life.
# [Al_Abut] But where's the pics?
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# [Al_Abut] [tantek] that's a good overall post. There's definitely a lot of overlap between my hesitation to backfeed and resistance to bringing comments back to my site like in ye olden days.
# [Al_Abut] It's like a tragedy of the commons thing maybe - where I miss the vibrant blog comment culture of the early days but wouldn't want to turn it back on myself, so I'm contributing to the lack of conversational spaces.
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# [Al_Abut] I wish I could curate and selectively highlight webmentions, sort of like a letter to the editor section, instead of automatically allowing other people’s words to appear on my own site, which sounds like a nightmare.
# [Al_Abut] That sounds like a #indieweb-dev question, I'll take it back there
# zacharykaiwrites [Al_Abut] Thank you! Hah, that's a good point! I don't actually have any photos to add...I'll have to visit a show and take some!
# [Al_Abut] Nice! I'll do the same.
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[artlung] [snarfed] I'd love to see how you'd answer "why bridge" and I bet your answer to "why not bridge" would be likewise illuminating. https://indieweb.org/why_bridge
# [Al_Abut] [snarfed] totally. And not so much a debate as me thinking through and puzzling it out aloud, even if it's a convo you've heard a thousand times before. I'm still sorting my way towards my own answer and implementation preferences, and this was useful info even if I end up exactly where I am now but in a more informed state.
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[KevinMarks] Comments without moderation is a form of hell, which I called Tragedy Of The Comments at least 20 years ago. Webmentions can have an approval loop before being shown - a Letters To The Editor mode
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# [Al_Abut] [KevinMarks] yes! That's exactly the flow I'm looking for - approval before being shown - and struggling to nail down the implementation
# [Al_Abut] So far I've been “manual until it hurts” by keeping up with manually adding links after the fact, like in the roundup post for the book club.
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# Loqi Moderation is the process of holding comments for review by a human, and sometimes a source of frustration when a comment is written on another site that the commenter has no control over, and thus a good reason to post a reply on your own site and POSSE it to that other site https://indieweb.org/moderation
# [snarfed] [artlung] re why (I) bridge, thanks for asking! I don't have a particularly deep or insightful motivation, mostly just the usual indieweb motivations: wanting to own my own presence online, preserving the conversation around my posts, etc. https://snarfed.org/2012-07-25_why_i_have_my_own_web_site
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[tantek] so far our largest example of number of responses to an indieweb post is this: https://aaronparecki.com/2019/01/11/28/ so I'm happy to hear from aaronpk how much he worries about getting thousands of comments or not
# Loqi [preview] [Aaron Parecki] How did we let the Web get to this point. All I wanted to do was read this blog post. https://aaronparecki.com/img/1240x,q60/2019/01/11/28/photo.png
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# [morgan] I think it only takes a little minute of chill reflecting on the word "viral" itself to really ask oneself if this is a thing you actually want
# [Al_Abut] @morgan fun fact - people use the word “viral” wrong
# [Al_Abut] Or more like a grammar nitpick. They really just mean “popular”
# [Al_Abut] The original use of viral was meant for a class of apps where the act of using the app made other non-users aware of the app. Hotmail was the first one.
# [Al_Abut] Because they popularized putting the email client in the signature. So a Hotmail email user made other non-Hotmail users aware of its existence. Same for “sent from my iPhone” in early iOS.
# [Al_Abut] E-vite was an other clever one
# [Al_Abut] I'm trying to think of a modern example of a truly viral app…
# [Al_Abut] [tantek] great question! I hold my site to a higher standard for replies than I do for social media for several reasons:
# [Al_Abut] 1) precisely because I can curate on my site in ways that I can't elsewhere, so it's a good balance. One less place I have to worry about randos.
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# [Al_Abut] 2) It's *my* site, so I feel a sense of ownership about my personal sandbox and want to express a clarity of thought. It's a place I want to look nice and be focused because I'm inviting others to my space to hear me out at length, so it's a “my house, my rules” vibe. As opposed to accepting that social media is like going to a shared 3rd space for group conversation.
# [Al_Abut] 3) and lastly, but probably most importantly and least applicable to most people - my site does double duty as both a personal space and also a professional one.
# [Al_Abut] * most importantly to me
# [morgan] That makes a lot of sense, about the original usage of the word viral. It seems to have evolved, or mutated, in common usage to mean "hey someone discovered this and put it somewhere it gained some traction usually with bad faith involved somehow"
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# [Al_Abut] Don't know about the bad faith angle, things just snowball
# [Al_Abut] And viral is less of a mouthful than snowball
# [Al_Abut] “this post went avalanche” sounds funny
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# [morgan] Thats an interesting one because it feels very contextual somehow. Like its different being like "Hey, sorry for the instagram link, heres a potentially still awesome video that I dont see hosted anywhere else" to like "hey heres a link to some website youve never really heard of before asking you to log in or sign up" kinda things
# [Al_Abut] @ulhar4409 probably not, because it's an added extra thing you're doing to make others aware of another thing.
# [Al_Abut] E.g. if using a silo app meant new posts went out to new non-silo users then yes, by definition it would be.
# [Al_Abut] It's another dividing line between media vs something more interactive. Watching youtube doesn't make others aware of youtube.
# [Al_Abut] The closest thing I can think of in my life is making maps for group bike rides?
# [Al_Abut] That's how I found out about ridewithgps from others
# [artlung] [KevinMarks] webmention endpoint for that is https://brid.gy/webmention/blogger which is 404.
# [artlung] [KevinMarks] also tried https://webmention.herokuapp.com/api/webmention as an endpoint. alas "Invalid target site"
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# [snarfed] yeah sorry [KevinMarks] https://brid.gy/about#rip-blogger
# [KevinMarks] Silos be siloing
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "The internet’s hidden creative renaissance (and how to find it)" https://newpublic.substack.com/p/the-handmade-internet-is-making-a (from https://artlung.com/indienews/ba3d29ad9282db49c4aaa33716d5ce4b)
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# [KevinMarks] I have a wbole seried of posts on that on my http://epeus.blogspot.com blog
# [Al_Abut] Genetic memes is definitely another way to interpret it, but the loss of the hard-nosed technical definition is the one I was bemoaning
# [Al_Abut] There's a nice chapter on it in Founders At Work interviewing the creator of Hotmail as the OG viral app
# [Al_Abut] Which then got codified in the early 2010’s as the “metrics for pirates AARRR” loops
# [Al_Abut] The original blog post by Dave McClure is gone because of the typepad shutdown, this is a good overview though:
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