#dev 2016-08-16

2016-08-16 UTC
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loqi.me created /rust (+146) "prompted by KartikPrabhu and dfn added by rascul" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /rust (+45) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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rascul is here
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rascul i got distracted reading about soveriegn identity
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AngeloGladding hey rascul, KevinMarks_
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rascul where did we leave off?
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AngeloGladding i wanted to abstract 63-69 out of download function so that other distro-specifics could be handled at the main level
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rascul oh, yeah
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AngeloGladding KevinMarks_ is there dynamic "source"ing going on in those files or what do you want me to be looking at?
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AngeloGladding rascul: my problem specifically was..
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rascul btw i don't think fbsd has wget installed by default, but it does ship with fetch
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rascul so that might go into the os specific stuff also
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AngeloGladding cool.. i imagine ammending this file until it is utterly grotesque -- that'll make me feel complete
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AngeloGladding once I've got a nice clean Python3 env I can get back to my purity
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AngeloGladding so i'll remember that
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AngeloGladding but my problem..
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AngeloGladding setting shatemplate
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AngeloGladding shatemplate="SHA1 ($filename) = $sha1sum"
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AngeloGladding setting that inside the function allows me to use the variable
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AngeloGladding setting it outside the function.. is there any hope?
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AngeloGladding the local variables $filename and $sha1sum
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rascul you want to set it in the function but also use it outside the function?
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AngeloGladding hmm..
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AngeloGladding i want to rip that conditional out of `download()`
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AngeloGladding i don't know really a) if it's possible or b) how
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rascul ahh, so that should already be set before download()
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AngeloGladding right
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AngeloGladding was the idea
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rascul ok, not difficult
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KevinMarks_ No, more that I end up writing python scripts that call other python scripts and do their own directory walking rather than using shell for it
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rascul essentially, move that whole if block to near the top of the script, before it gets to anything important, take out the lines that specify local for those variables, and adjust function calls to not pass those
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rascul so you're basically making those global variables and running the steps to set them right at the beginning
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rascul KevinMarks_ is that python script just for recursively copying files around?
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AngeloGladding KevinMarks_: have you ever solved the "source" a Py2 env from Py3 script or vice versa?
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AngeloGladding oh ok.. no need for locals.. everything proceeds in a single execution thread anyway..
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rascul yep, in this case
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AngeloGladding let me read those links you gave me, set up a testing environment and rerun w/ the changes
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rascul don't do any of those changes yet though, just focus on the download stuff
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AngeloGladding ok
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rascul read them and implement that stuff (if you so desire) later, once you get the download stuff changed and working
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rascul don't want to do to many changes at once
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AngeloGladding yeah and i want to give you the quickest feedback
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AngeloGladding give me a couple of minutes
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AngeloGladding so are you saying turn `local urlbase=$1` to `urlbase=$1`?
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AngeloGladding maybe you can advise a better overall approach
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AngeloGladding to lines 38-90
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AngeloGladding just download, verify and unpack
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AngeloGladding i'm tempted to turn it into python but I've been down this path before..
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AngeloGladding i'm certain bash can handle it
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rascul urlbase can stay local, but local isn't really necessary here because there's not a global $urlbase
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rascul move lines 63-69 up to the top, line 15 or so
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AngeloGladding done
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rascul you might need to declare $shafunc and $shatemplate before that though
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rascul oh, looks like that's all you might need to do
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AngeloGladding hmm..
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rascul you can also set other os specific stuff in those if statements if necessary so they'll apply to the entire script
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AngeloGladding the if statements contain the variable names from the download() function though
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AngeloGladding so when those strings are set, outside of the context of download() they appear to evaluate to ""
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rascul yes but they'll be global now
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AngeloGladding so define them outside of the if statements?
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rascul they'll be set globally
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rascul inside the if will set them globally
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rascul that's what you wanted? or did i misunderstand?
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rascul btw you should "quote" all those variables on lines 85-89
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AngeloGladding so $shatemplate contains variables that are set inside the download() function
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rascul also every time you cd "$variable" it should be quoted
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AngeloGladding i'm having a hard time describing the problem
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AngeloGladding do you see what i'm talking about?
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rascul hold on, lemme make a few changes and show you so you can let me know if i'm thinking the same thing you are or not
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AngeloGladding k
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rascul i'm also kinda drunk so my human interpretation skills might be subpar right now
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AngeloGladding several beers in myself
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AngeloGladding conclude the conversation at any time
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AngeloGladding i've got some reading to do
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AngeloGladding on bash that is
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AngeloGladding do you see my problem though w/ $shatemplate?
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AngeloGladding that's the crux
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AngeloGladding $shafunc is fine because its static
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AngeloGladding $shatemplate is reliant upon the variables passed into download()
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rascul oh, i missed that
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rascul no problem, though
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rascul i'm adding a slight bit of spice for you to ponder over too, almost done
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AngeloGladding k cool
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AngeloGladding to state the obvious you can exit out after the first call to download, supply the script with six arguments and test away
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rascul i think i got it, lemme look and make sure i did it right
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AngeloGladding i'm still here
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rascul oh
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AngeloGladding ?
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rascul nevermind, ijust thought of something then discarded it
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AngeloGladding i see your changes
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rascul don't look at them
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rascul it's a trick
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rascul you don't need the $os stuff at all
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AngeloGladding haha
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Loqi nice
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AngeloGladding if "type -p sha1sum > /dev/null && shafunc=$(type -p sha1sum)" isn't a trick i don't know what is
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AngeloGladding VOODOO MAGIC!
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rascul ignore that
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AngeloGladding :)
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rascul it wasn't going to work for you
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AngeloGladding carry on
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AngeloGladding i searched the google for cross-platform shell scripting
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AngeloGladding didn't find a canonical resource
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AngeloGladding seems like this kind of thing would be solved on stackoverflow or s/t
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AngeloGladding or like a forum circa '97
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AngeloGladding totally n00b here lookin' for some guidance :)
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rascul check it now
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AngeloGladding wk
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rascul line 17 means you can do 'shafunc=sha1sum ./plant_sapling.sh' and skip the os check
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rascul you might not use it or care for it, but i mostly did it to show you that trick
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rascul the $shatemplate actually could be set in the if statements up top but i didn't feel like trying to remember how to do that
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rascul and it could be potentially unsafe
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AngeloGladding quite the situation i've backed myself into here..
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AngeloGladding i guess.. fuck it..?
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rascul duck it
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AngeloGladding a bit of verbosity won't kill a bootstrap script
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AngeloGladding lol
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AngeloGladding but can you describe your line 17 magic?
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rascul also because of the if at line 26 it will exit instead of trying magic it can't do
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rascul yes
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rascul https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Shell-Parameter-Expansion
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rascul it's the first one
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rascul ${parameter:-word}
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rascul If parameter is unset or null, the expansion of word is substituted. Otherwise, the value of parameter is substituted.
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rascul it's more useful for setting default values and letting them be overridden from the environment
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AngeloGladding so what is the word in this case?
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rascul the word here is nothing
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rascul it's making sure the variable is initialized
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AngeloGladding interesting
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AngeloGladding alright
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rascul so that way the if on the next line sees that it's empty and figures it out, or sees that it's set and skips the os check because it's not necessary
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rascul but then if it's not set right, the stuff in download() will go bonkers though
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AngeloGladding real quick
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AngeloGladding did you pick up on my question earlier about "source"ing a virtual env from within a python script?
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rascul feel free to use it or not, i mostly just put it there to show you that trick
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rascul no, i missed it
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rascul oh, virtualenv
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AngeloGladding i'm learning everything about bash at this point
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rascul i don't use that crap
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AngeloGladding oh ok
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AngeloGladding haha
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rascul 100% useless for me
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AngeloGladding no python?
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rascul i python often
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AngeloGladding no venv?
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rascul i setup single purpose users for stuff that people like to use virtualenv for
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rascul clean environment plus priviledge separation
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rascul then i can pip install --user whatever and not care
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AngeloGladding ahh.. --user flag
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rascul no need for hacky stuff when it's so simple to begin with
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AngeloGladding haven't used it but heard of it
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AngeloGladding kind of a pseudo-venv
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AngeloGladding alright
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rascul no chance of env overlap or anything crazy
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AngeloGladding right
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AngeloGladding envs are kinda hard to manage
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rascul because it's a spearate user specifically and only for that app
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rascul then with uwsgi you can pass user and group
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rascul to run the app as
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AngeloGladding interesting..
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AngeloGladding how about a VPS setup
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rascul yep
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rascul that's how i do it, exactly
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AngeloGladding valid
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AngeloGladding ?
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AngeloGladding cool
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AngeloGladding i'll check that out as well
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AngeloGladding i'll read about those bash changes you've recommended
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rascul no need for that fancy crazy hacky stuff to do what linux has done since the beginning
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rascul for dev stuff it's much more useful because you probably don't want to play with different users all the time
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rascul but that's not something i've ever had to concern myself with for my stuff
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AngeloGladding but for deployment.. so far all hosts provide multiple users..
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AngeloGladding that's probably the best takeaway here
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AngeloGladding thnx
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rascul then you can use the os permission and ownership concept and acls and stuff to tune priviledges and whatnot as needed
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rascul and at that point it's all simple, basic stuff that every admin knows and loves
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AngeloGladding i'm going to ponder the consequences of each sober
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AngeloGladding and i'll keep you apprised
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AngeloGladding :)
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rascul i can give examples, i host python and php and whatever the same exact way
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AngeloGladding could simplify things a bit
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AngeloGladding so what about system packages
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rascul create new user, install app into home, throw a new config file in nginx and uwsgi, live happily ever after
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AngeloGladding ?
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rascul what about them?
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AngeloGladding do they carr over?
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rascul like system installed python stuff?
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AngeloGladding yeah
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rascul well
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rascul use pip install --user
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rascul and install the stuff in requirements.txt with the versions
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rascul and pip will ensure you have the appropriate version installed
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rascul the stuff in ~ will be picked up first
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rascul based on $PYTHONPATH
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AngeloGladding damn..
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AngeloGladding the options
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rascul if you have the correct version already installed system wide, pip won't bother installing it in ~
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AngeloGladding i feel like that'd be great on a single-user VPS but then i think of my dev machine
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AngeloGladding i'd love the installer to work in both contexts
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AngeloGladding ...
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rascul that's doable
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AngeloGladding and shit
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rascul just need a --venv and a --user options, and require one of the two
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AngeloGladding wait
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rascul or something of the sort
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AngeloGladding the whole point of needing to source was this:
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AngeloGladding my setup requires supervisord which requires 2.7
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AngeloGladding and my code is written in 3.x
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AngeloGladding is that compatibile
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AngeloGladding bile..
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AngeloGladding that's how py's venvs are making me feel
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AngeloGladding :)
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rascul what kind of application is this?
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rascul it is this one? https://github.com/angelogladding/canopy
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AngeloGladding so the script is downloading nginx, redis, creating a py27 for supervisor to manage nginx, redis, a uwsgi app, a background task manager and a crawler, .. more to come
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AngeloGladding yes
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rascul what does it need supervisor for?
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AngeloGladding manage all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4ip8bMrk.jpg
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AngeloGladding and more to come
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AngeloGladding damnit loqi not now
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AngeloGladding :)
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rascul heh Loqi
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rascul uwsgi can run as a service and handle the process management type stuff
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rascul might be you don't need supervisor at all
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AngeloGladding so if you look at line 222 of https://gist.github.com/angelogladding/c01eb1a1707804864a6235117e3e886f you'll see I've got multiple programs i'd like to manage
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AngeloGladding swarm is a task manager.. sequentially fulfilling bg tasks..
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AngeloGladding kaleidoscope is a semantic crawler
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AngeloGladding canopy is a uwsgi app
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AngeloGladding i intend to have at least a bittorrent app as well
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AngeloGladding *definitely* going to have more manageable services
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AngeloGladding so while i hate that i need a second env to accomodate supervisor
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rascul nginx and redis are probably already setup to be capable of running as system services, managed by init
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rascul same with uwsgi, which can manage canopy
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AngeloGladding is that even a thing for VPS?
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rascul vps doesn't matter in this context
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rascul it's just linux
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rascul or, freebsd
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AngeloGladding init is a weak spot of mine
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rascul freebsd is a bit different, and i don't currently have any freebsd boxes
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rascul but what linux distro?
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AngeloGladding debian is most familiar
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rascul same conce3pts apply on fbsd though, they just do it a little differently
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rascul debian is easy peasy
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rascul for uwsgi, just put the config in /etc/uwsgi-emporer/vassals
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AngeloGladding well i suppose the more important one is my host
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rascul then probably systemctl enable uwsgi-emporer; systemctl start uwsgi-emporer
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AngeloGladding webfaction: CentOS
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AngeloGladding that requires su?
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rascul i don't know much about centos, but probably almost the exact same thing applies
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rascul well, sudo or su
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AngeloGladding vps don't got no r00t
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AngeloGladding :)
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rascul sure it does
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AngeloGladding er?
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rascul 'sudo -i' gives you root
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AngeloGladding asteria is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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AngeloGladding ""
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AngeloGladding lol
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rascul do you own this vps?
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AngeloGladding wait
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AngeloGladding sorry
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AngeloGladding not vps?
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rascul doesn't matter if it's a vps or not
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AngeloGladding i'm targeting the lowest cost hosting
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rascul it's just linux
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rascul vps though is the lowest cost hosting you could target
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rascul this doesn't appear to be something you could do generally with shared hosting
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AngeloGladding https://www.webfaction.com/ scroll down -- shared @ $10/mo
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rascul digitalocean is $5/month for a vps
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AngeloGladding and that'll give me root?
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rascul yes
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rascul then you can do essentially whatever you want
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AngeloGladding now /that's/ the takeaway
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AngeloGladding of course...
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rascul i can give you referral for digitalocean, you get $10 credit
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rascul https://m.do.co/c/f07b4d2bfb77
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AngeloGladding 100% of the other homebrew attendees are on 1&1 and GoDaddy..
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rascul godaddy is disgusting
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AngeloGladding homebrew club LA that is
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rascul i have no comment on 1&1
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AngeloGladding i know....
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rascul https://indieweb.org/digitalocean
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rascul hrm
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rascul what is digitalocean?
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Loqi DigitalOcean is a virtual private server provider targeted towards developers and offers low cost cloud servers in data centers across the world https://indieweb.org/DigitalOcean
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rascul there we go
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AngeloGladding damn
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AngeloGladding keep it simple
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AngeloGladding or do it right
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AngeloGladding supervise everything out of the home dir and support as many providers as possible
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AngeloGladding ...
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AngeloGladding now i see i have realistic options
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AngeloGladding thought root-level hosting was out of the price range
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AngeloGladding sheesh.. gettin' tired
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AngeloGladding i'll look into my options tomorrow
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AngeloGladding just want to get my code live on all the hosts
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AngeloGladding just want to get my code live on all the things
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AngeloGladding don't leave me hangin' loqi
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AngeloGladding ...
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AngeloGladding you rascal
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AngeloGladding oh wow
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AngeloGladding haha
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Loqi awesome
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rascul what
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AngeloGladding lol
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rascul i'm not a rascal
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AngeloGladding don't even know where to begin
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AngeloGladding called loqi a rascal for not meming my last statement
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AngeloGladding clearly i've been brainwashed by your username
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rascul oh
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AngeloGladding and am delerious at this late hour
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AngeloGladding + too much bash
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AngeloGladding :)
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rascul my name is ray schulz
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rascul take out every third letter and the space
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AngeloGladding nice
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AngeloGladding and i'm angelo
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AngeloGladding nice to meet you ray
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rascul do i have to take out any letters?
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AngeloGladding verbatim.
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rascul such boring
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AngeloGladding such
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AngeloGladding get rascul.io live and i'll add it to my crawl
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rascul no way
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rascul costs too much for .io when i can get domains for $1
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rascul http://tld-list.com
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AngeloGladding but your github
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rascul https://rascul.xyz now but nothing there yet
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rascul my github is stupid
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AngeloGladding lol
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rascul i don't even know what i have there
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AngeloGladding static html derived from a rust generator
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AngeloGladding :)
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rascul oh, i think i just put that there
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AngeloGladding and we come full circle
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rascul i don't like github because i don't host it
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AngeloGladding wow man
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AngeloGladding check my github in the next couple of days
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AngeloGladding i feel the same way
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rascul remind me tomorrow i'm sleepy
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rascul i like gogs https://gogs.io/
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rascul what is gogs?
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Loqi Gogs is a self-hosted Git server with additional features such as issue management https://indieweb.org/Gogs
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AngeloGladding `canopy-software` should obviate github
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AngeloGladding alright
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AngeloGladding i'll see you in the chat no doubt
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AngeloGladding gnight
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rascul good night
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Loqi goodnight!
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AngeloGladding RASCAL!
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rascul snarls
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@RikMende Since I moved from @dreamhost to @indiehosters I can't IndieAuth/login to https://woodwind.xyz - I do see this … https://rmendes.net/2016/since-i-moved-from-dreamhost-to-indiehosters-i-cant-indieauthlogin (twitter.com/_/status/765496492836655104)
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@RikMende @botwikidotorg @Veronica Great! are you implementing #webmentions on the botwiki wiki ? (twitter.com/_/status/765497372415844352)
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@Inkwater_Masha How to #Self-Publish Your Own Books as a Business Model http://byregina.com/self-publish-your-book/?platform=hootsuite #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/765538719910731777)
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aaronpk omg i just realized i have a very short path to implement my collection posts again
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gRegorLove ChrisAldrich: ^ that should make LA show up on /this-week for 8/24 now
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gRegorLove aaronpk: this-week uses the locations listed on /events, right, not the p-location on the event permalink?
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ChrisAldrich Thanks gRegorLove, it'd have taken me ages to figure that out
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gRegorLove It's confusing. It looks at the event permalink to get the photo, so it seems it would look there for locations too.
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gRegorLove So clarifying with Aaron to be sure
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aaronpk correct, it only gets the photo off of the permalink. everything else is from the list
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aaronpk would probably be a good idea to use the permalink info for that too, but hey that's what happens when this code slowly grows
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aaronpk wow i forgot i had made that repo
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/this-week
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aaronpk one commit from 2 years ago, and that's nothing like the code that's running now :P
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2016 (+6365) "/* 2016 */ archive Jan/Feb" (view diff)
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aaronpk oookay i just updated this with the code that's actually used to generate the newsletters https://github.com/indieweb/this-week
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GWG Reading Vouch
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GWG I am having some structural problems with Vouch.
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aaronpk structural?
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GWG aaronpk, how I can implement it in WordPress effectively.
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GWG In the meantime, WordPress 4
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GWG .6 just dropped
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GWG It has one small change to help Webmentions
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gRegorLove GWG: I think ben_thatmustbeme's method is a good guide. I followed that, at least.
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GWG I have three more that I hope to get into 4.7
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gRegorLove record referrers, async verify they link to you, store verified ones as possible vouches.
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GWG Gregorlove, you know WordPress structure, any ideas? I am giving some serious thought to writing in preliminary support in my experimental plugin.
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GWG I am stalled on my other project so I think I could use a switch.
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GWG Of course, now I have to check all my plugins for 4.6 compatibility issues.
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gRegorLove Here's my table structure for referers and vouches: https://github.com/gRegorLove/ProcessWire-Webmention/blob/master/Webmention/Webmention.module#L251
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aaronpk speaking of upgrades, Laravel 5.3 is almost released, so i'm going to have to upgrade my site to that soon
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gRegorLove Then the methods for referers and vouches start here: https://github.com/gRegorLove/ProcessWire-Webmention/blob/master/Webmention/Webmention.module#L1722
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gRegorLove I would use WP cron to process referrers regularly
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GWG I am worried about race conditions
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gRegorLove Example?
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gRegorLove (I'm presuming you mean sending and receiving Vouch, btw. Referer stuff is needed only for sending.)
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gRegorLove Receiving and verifying might be an easier first step
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GWG I worry about expensive queries in wp cron.
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gRegorLove They're not expensive
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gRegorLove I process only one row at a time, but that's mainly because of the latency of getting the URL's HTML and verifying it links back.
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gRegorLove Which reminds me I need to do some heuristics about huge pages. Ran into a problem with it trying to verify a huuuuge page (which was spam)
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aaronpk always a little terrifying updating dependencies. hopefully all of these changes are backwards compatible.
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aaronpk is attempting to add search to his site!
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rascul how do i make {{rascul}} on the wiki go to User:Rascul.xyz instead of User:Rascul.io?
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rascul ie the https page
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aaronpk what is sparkline?
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Loqi A sparkline is a small, simple, data-dense graphic with typographic resolution that is shown inline and in-context with relevant text https://indieweb.org/sparkline
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk rascul: https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline
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rascul ahh it's Template:rascul thanks
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aaronpk ahhhh exciting! search is working!
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aaronpk now i want to add a map interface so i can search by location!
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rascul oh, minor edits don't get shown in here
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rascul they're secret!
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rascul.xyz edited /HTTPS (+6) "/* Obtain */ let's encrypt is no longer beta, client is now from eff and called certbot" (view diff)
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aaronpk rascul++
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rascul.xyz edited /HTTPS (+119) "/* Obtain */ add wosign" (view diff)
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rascul hrm much of the let's encrypt section needs changing also
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rascul probably isn't important to include instructions anymore since they're nicer to read from https://certbot.eff.org
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bear yea, letsencrypt section hasn't been touched since alpha
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bear rascul++ for keeping security info fresh
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aaronpk would you assume search results on my site would be in reverse chronological rather than by highest relevancy?
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rascul what would determine relevancy?
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aaronpk search magic
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rascul i think maybe relevancy, but an option to sort chronologically might also be nice
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aaronpk i think i'mg oing to default to reverse chronological until i come up with a use case for sorting by relevancy
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aaronpk takes a while to add all my posts to the index!
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rascul i'm going to look more at the https page later, got some things to do for a bit
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