#dev 2017-04-03

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eddiehinkle.com edited /User:Eddiehinkle.com (+1316) "/* Working On */ Update current itches and completions" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:audience_drop_down.PNG "One can choose to limit a post to a specific audience on Facebook."
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Nextdoor_post.PNG "Nextdoor's posting interface allows one to choose with which neighborhoods to share content. One can select their immediate neighborhood as well as choose particular surrounding neighborhoods."
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Nextdoor_select_neighborhood.PNG "A UI example showing the interface to select additional surrounding neighborhoods."
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+59) "/* Summit */ narrow possible dates, explicitly note other dates as rejected based on #s being so much lower than two remaining possibilities" (view diff)
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tantek !tell gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit updated. good call.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@sil @AaronGustafson aaron? buddy? your webmentions thing appears to have inhaled my whole entire post on https://www.aaron-gustafson.com/notebook/trypod/ :-) (twitter.com/_/status/848920333952442368)
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tantek interesting thread about /block https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/848796429296345092
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@mjg59 That means services that make this possible are more attractive, and federated systems need an answer to that argument. (twitter.com/_/status/848796429296345092)
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aaronpk what is block
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Loqi Block is a feature on many silos that provides the ability for one user to "block" or prevent interactions from another user https://indieweb.org/block
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aaronpk what is mute?
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Loqi mute is the ability to hide posts in your reader from specific publishers https://indieweb.org/mute
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aaronpk i was thinking a lot about these features over the weekend
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tantek they're very different
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aaronpk quite
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aaronpk big difference for me is "muting" a user should give no indication to that user that they've been muted
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tantek muting is a local (private) pref basically
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tantek it must not give *any* indication to *anyone* other than the user that anything has changed
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aaronpk right, which has implications such as continuing to send them webmentions if you mention their name for some reason, and also continuing to send salmentions
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tantek no reason why you shouldn't keep sending those
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tantek that's separate
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tantek mute is a /reader feature
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tantek what implications are you thinking of?
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aaronpk i thought you were all gung ho on a reader being part of your website ;-)
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tantek a /reader is a feature of an indieweb site yes
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aaronpk with the line between reader and website blurred like that, i could see someone accidentally implementing a mute feature which also "mutes" in the outgoing direction
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tantek huh - I don't know of any site or service that does that though
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aaronpk right, which is why it's important to be specific that muting is a one-way thing
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tantek that's more like "silent" mode or something
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tantek self-muting :P
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tantek this is something that has always bothered me about "mute" on (speaker)phones
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aaronpk whereas with blocking, if i block someone, not only do I not want them to see things of mine, i also wouldn't want to send them any webmentions ever
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tantek vs "mute" on a TV remote
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aaronpk which means "block" is not just a reader feature
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tantek totally different function!
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tantek right, block is much more pervasive
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tantek Though twitter (still?) implements block like a reader feature. sigh.
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tantek hence the problem of blocked people's @-replies to your tweets still showing up when others look at your permalinks
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tantek but yeah, "mute" the TV vs. "mute" the phone. seriously bugs me.
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aaronpk yeah that is backwards on phones
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tantek interesting thread about federated vs social vs decentralized vs open: https://twitter.com/keithjgrant/status/848976354817314817
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@keithjgrant Federated social networks aren’t the answer. Fully open and decentralized standards are. (twitter.com/_/status/848976354817314817)
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[keithjgrant] I'm thinking of writing a blog post series on the indieweb. Could probably benefit from some input from you folks who have been at it longer than I have
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[keithjgrant] ... Hoping I summed things up well in that Twitter thread :)
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[cleverdevil] Please, do write the series.
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[cleverdevil] I am considering the same, to be cross-published on my site and DreamHost's blog.
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[cleverdevil] I want our customers to be empowered to participate in IndieWeb.
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tantek keithjgrant++ yes please do, and definitely feel free to ask for input / review / feedback here on drafts etc.!
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Loqi keithjgrant has 3 karma in this channel (7 overall)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+37) "+Düsseldorf" (view diff)
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GWG Any messages?
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tantek it bugs me when websites for orgs that organize events have a 404 at /Events
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tantek just saying
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aaronpk why capital E?
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tantek (assumed from other top level paths with initcap)
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tantek (at same site)
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk what's this? http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2012/Foursquare_is_down!
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tantek hahah you were there! I did a BarCamp session on IndieWeb Checkins titled "Foursquare is down!" because it was at the time
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Loqi hahahaha
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tantek or I thought you were there
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aaronpk not according to the list of participants!
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tantek see: https://www.instagram.com/p/MdsXq4A9Zf/
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Looks like there was an error connecting to #foursquare. Try developing an #indieweb solution instead. https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e15/11142193_1607824269465782_2096199419_n.jpg
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tantek well you liked that image at least
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tantek aaronpk note the first item in this list: https://indieweb.org/checkin#sessions
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aaronpk aha
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aaronpk that's probably why it was in my browser history
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tantek is your browser prefetching links on a page?
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aaronpk i probably clicked it when i was researching checkins a couple weeks ago
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tantek.com edited /Foursquare (+523) "/* History */ Downtime showscreenshot" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017 (+211) "Additional Event Links" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Upcoming.org (+350) "why , how to, Bridgy feature request to POSSE" (view diff)
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tantek what is maxcdn?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "maxcdn" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is bootstrapcdn?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bootstrapcdn" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek huh
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tantek neat
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martymcgui.re edited /Planning (+32) "/* Summit */ update my availability" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh nooeees
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martymcguire[m] oh nooooes indeed. June 23-25 is the Del Close Marathon in NYC, a huge improv festival. at least one troupe that I play in has already been accepted. :|
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aaronpk well that makes early june look like a better option
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martymcguire[m] i should make myself +0 because if IWS is that weekend i will most likely prioritize that over improv. don't tell my improv friends. ;}
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Loqi I agree
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martymcgui.re edited /Planning (+1) "/* Summit */ weight my prefs less heavily ;}" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I saw that. Hand over your improv card. ;)
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Loqi gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 17 hours, 34 minutes ago: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit updated. good call.
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@kevinmarks @BrendanEich @ckhonson @brave If you're building things into the browser, how about webmention and micropub? (twitter.com/_/status/849043081840250881)
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KartikPrabhu should webmention and micropub be built into the browser1?
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aaronpk micropub surely
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aaronpk the browser would make a natural micropub client
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@kevinmarks @BrendanEich @ckhonson @brave https://Webmention.net/ and https://webmention.rocks/ https://micropub.net/ and https://micropub.rocks/ (twitter.com/_/status/849048774370635781)