#dev 2017-04-04

2017-04-04 UTC
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tantek kevinmarks++ for trying
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Loqi kevinmarks has 4 karma in this channel (269 overall)
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tantek this thread is also telling (note the two replies) https://twitter.com/Paul_Kinlan/status/849037368690716672
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@Paul_Kinlan Whilst I am hosting my own photos (and syndicating) I am also toying with doing more twittering outside of twitter - see where it goes. (twitter.com/_/status/849037368690716672)
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[kevinmarks] What is code of conduct?
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Loqi IndieWeb code of conduct tl;dr: Be respectful of other people, respectfully ask people to stop if you are bothered, and if you can't resolve an issue contact staff. If you are being a problem, it will be apparent and you'll be asked to leave https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct
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[kevinmarks] code-of-conduct << https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-decisions/
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loqi.me edited /code-of-conduct (+75) "[kevinmarks] added "https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-decisions/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-decisions/" to the "See Also" section of /code-of-conduct
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Loqi Thoughts on recent Drupal governance decisions
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tantek kevinmarks we have a whole separate page for that kind of thing
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tantek can you please move it?
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tantek e.g. https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct-why
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tantek the recent Drupal decisions have nothing to do with the IndieWeb code of conduct
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[kevinmarks] Oops, sorry
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[kevinmarks] code-of-conduct-why << https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-decisions/
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loqi.me edited /code-of-conduct-why (+75) "[kevinmarks] added "https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-decisions/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://subfictional.com/thoughts-on-recent-drupal-governance-decisions/" to the "See Also" section of /code-of-conduct-why
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Loqi Thoughts on recent Drupal governance decisions
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kevinmarks.com edited /code-of-conduct (-75) "Undo revision 35392 by [[Special:Contributions/Loqi.me|Loqi.me]] ([[User talk:Loqi.me|talk]])" (view diff)
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tantek so... /readers
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tantek one of my hopes was that we could incrementally build the building blocks to for /readers in our sites with the steps in /IndieMark
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tantek e.g. even retrieving from someone else's permalinks enough to generate a /reply-context
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tantek and from there on up, retrieving enough to display someone else's replies in their entirety ( /comments-display )
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tantek perhaps I'm missing something but that seemed to be the the key piece
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tantek once you can retrieve and display others' permalinks, then there is the followings management piece I suppose
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aaronpk there are two parts to the following pieces
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tantek you could even skip explicit following management though, and basically have your /reader do implied follow of everyone you reply to
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tantek and then add a /mute button on top of that
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aaronpk one is making the request to follow someone from the reader interface, and the other is actually receiving updates from that person
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tantek that just "doesn't display" posts from that domain
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tantek I'm suggesting skipping "one" by implying it by who you reply to
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tantek as a hack
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tantek to just get *something* going
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tantek instead of worrying about implementing explicit following UI, following lists etc.
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aaronpk i think that could work for some people
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tantek well you fake it by simply bookmarking someone's site
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tantek then your "imply follow" logic adds it
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tantek perhaps we need stream discovery from a permalink though
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aaronpk beyond just author home page?
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tantek and then something to subscribe to a WebSub hub
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aaronpk given a post permalink, we already have /authorship which results in the person's home page
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tantek aaronpk, yeah, top level domain is a good enough hack to start with for stream discovery
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tantek yes!
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aaronpk bridgy takes that one step further and looks for a rel=feed URL on your home page to find additional feed URLs
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tantek then the last bits are 1) retrieving/receving updates from those streams, 2) integrating them into presumably a time order for viewing
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aaronpk I link to two special feeds for bridgy, so that it has a better chance of finding all my content
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/syndicated <-- every post that has a syndication URL
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tantek interesting
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/all <-- every post, which sometimes updates a page worth more frequently than bridgy polls
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aaronpk as for your #1, WebSub subscriptions enable realtime updates for that stream, and a consumer can fall back to polling
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aaronpk #2, sounds like just ordering the discovered posts by published dates
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tantek aaronpk - re: #1 right, building that WebSub subscriber seems like the hard part
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tantek and then adding the polling fallback
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tantek agreed re: #2
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aaronpk having done it for Monocle, I agree it's not trivial
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aaronpk but I also realized something that can help split the burden for implementing that
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aaronpk separating the idea of managing the subscription and parsing the permalink content from the actual display of the data
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Planning (+72) "/* Summit */ ChrisAldrich interest" (view diff)
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miklb GWG you around by chance?
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GWG Sort of
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miklb just looking to add the webmention form to my site, and curious if you know why the input for the permalink of the post someone is submitting a reply to isn't pre-filled?
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miklb oh, it is. I'm looking at the wrong template.
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miklb I was looking at the endpoint form. Sorry to bother
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GWG No problem
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www.boffosocko.com edited /podcasts_about_the_indieweb (+1547) "Podcast segments about indieweb with links to audio & media fragments; Huffduffer feed;" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Akismet (+102) "Update my example" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /news (+81) "+Podcasts" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Mastodon (+65) "note running instances" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Mastodon (+704) "feature stub, and note issue more than criticism, and one way it has been resolved, primary instance not accepting any more sign-ups currently!" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Mastodon (+128) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Mastodon (-17) "merge See Alsos" (view diff)
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[eddie] Regarding my listen posts, I experimented with some some mf2 markup as well. each item is an h-entry with p-summary of “Listened to (Podcast Name, Podcast Number: Episode Name)”, p-name of “(Podcast Name, Episode Number and Name)”, u-photo of the cover art and u-url of the podcast permalink page. The value is the u-url. The next step is I would like to embed an h-card that references the overall podcast info and at some point I’d like
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[eddie] (primarily a link to the audio file so I can embed an audio player and eventually be able to use media fragments to cue up the audio player on a “context” area where you can listen to the exact part of the podcast when I have commentary. Any feedback on these thoughts is welcome ?
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[eddie] http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Feddiehinkle.com%2Flisten%2F2017%2F04%2Fteevee_237-the-flash-s3e18-review-abra-kadabra%2F
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martymcguire[m] [eddie] looks like some of your comment got cut off.
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[eddie] oh, in IRC?
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martymcguire[m] yep
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aaronpk hm there's something wrong with the slack bridge, seems like long messages aren't being split up right
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[eddie] ohhhhh gotcha.
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martymcguire[m] " and at some point I’d like " gets cut off
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martymcguire[m] and the next line starts "(primarily a link to the audio file..."
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[eddie] at some point I’d like to add some context info (primarily a link to the audio file so I can embed an audio player and eventually be able to use media fragments to cue up the audio player on a “context” area where you can listen to the exact part of the podcast when I have commentary. Any feedback on these thoughts is welcome ?
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martymcguire[m] anyway, /audio has some examples of marking up audio with mf2
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[eddie] That should include everything missing from the last message
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aaronpk (it turns out it's surprisingly hard to compensate for max IRC message lengths, since the protocol limits the total payload size which includes metadata like the author nick and such)
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[eddie] oh, awesome, I’ll take a peek in that direction, thanks
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martymcguire[m] and i am also interested in fun things like media fragments for annotations to make a kind of indieweb version of soundcloud annotations
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[eddie] ohhh, so you use an h-cite instead of an h-entry
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[eddie] that makes sense
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tantek eddie, not sure of the context, but h-entry if its yours, and h-cite to something if its not!
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tantek that's the short version
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[eddie] :thumbsup: Thanks tantek and martymcguire[m]! h-cite for the podcast reference now, and the indieweb.org/audio link helped clarify: u-url for the original permalink and u-audio for the mp3 file ?
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[eddie] martymcguire[m]: my jekyll entry currently looks like this https://gist.githubusercontent.com/EdwardHinkle/761e14943537667f2a25915ab5c9dbaa/raw/676325132958be7941895e74ca00e777023959e7/listen-post.md
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voxpelli [eddie]: here's some interesting link ID3 tags: http://id3.org/id3v2.3.0#URL_link_frames
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[eddie] Awesome! I’ll take a look and bookmark for further research ?
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loqi.me created /SeaGL (+87) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /SeaGL (+2) "link dfn" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:indiewebcamp-sponsorship-prospectus.pdf]]"" (view diff)
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tantek woot!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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aaronpk that was a lot of work
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aaronpk new photos tho!
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aaronpk and updated logo
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aaronpk and links to indieweb.org
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:indiewebcamp-2017-sponsorship-prospectus-thumbnail.png]]""
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aaronparecki.com edited /how-to-sponsor (+0) "updated sponsorship pdf" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /how-to-sponsor (+126) "add link to opencollective" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+1325) "/* Planning */ re-order a bunch, add suggested/preferred months, add more details to a few likely IWCs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+86) "/* 2017 */ NYC possible month September" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+16) "Providence has an active co-organizer, that bumps it above MIT" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Minor, but missing period on "Everyone has a chance to present, regardless of how advanced" in the prospectus, aaronpk.
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[aaronpk] Thx
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calumryan.com edited /Planning (+16) "/* Brighton */ Adding interested for attending Brighton IWC 2017" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Planning (+112) "I'm at least interested in every location on the right continent." (view diff)
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sknebel ("right continent" is to be interpreted in view of my personal finances only)
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martymcgui.re edited /Planning (+19) "/* NYC */ interested" (view diff)
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aaronpk lol
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sknebel ;)
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sknebel What is X-Sendfile?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "X-Sendfile" yet. Would you like to create it?
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martymcgui.re edited /Planning (+105) "/* Washington DC */ can co-org" (view diff)
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sknebel X-Sendfile is a special feature/header with which a web application can instruct the web server in front of it to deliver a specific static file to the user's browser. This can be helpful for things like access control to images.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /X-Sendfile (+256) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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sknebel X-Sendfile << https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/examples/xsendfile/
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loqi.me edited /X-Sendfile (+89) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/start/topics/examples/xsendfile/" to the "See Also" section of /X-Sendfile
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www.boffosocko.com created /Category:WordPress (+395) "Creation of category page to capture directly related pages not otherwise in the WordPress template" (view diff)
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