#dev 2017-04-06

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gRegorLove hah
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gregorlove.com created /2017/Bellingham/expenses (+358) "stub, venue" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /expenses (+85) "/* Event Expenses */ + some unlinked expenses, +Bellingham" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Hah, that's some bad auto-suggest on this form for US states. Type "WA" and it matched "Delaware" first.
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aaronpk I got my indie account to show up as something i'm from my mastodon.social account but none of the posts show up https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-04-05-17-20-04.png
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[kevinmarks] That may just be lag on mastodon.social
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aaronpk it's been about 15 minutes so far
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[kevinmarks] I got 422 when I tried subscription from the xoxo.zone
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upon2020.com edited /events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club (+11) "added myself" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Amazon_Standard_Identification_Numbers (+184) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /ASIN (+74) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /ASIN (-22) "r" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Amazon_Standard_Identification_Numbers (+19) "link dfn, formatting" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Amazon_Standard_Identification_Numbers (+154) "more details, converting 13-digit to 10-digit" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu bear: opened new possibly minor issue on ronkyuu https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu/issues/18
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gregorlove.com created /IndieWebCamp_Bellingham (+29) "prompted by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /IndieWebCamp_Bellingham_2017 (+28) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Bellingham (-216) "rm p-description" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Amazon_Standard_Identification_Numbers (-9) "update with tantek's asin.cc instead." (view diff)
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[eddie] martymcguire[m]: Interesting catch with the e-content. What would the fix for that be? p-content? or p-summary?
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martymcguire[m] i'm not sure what the "right" fix is, but p-content would cause the mf2 parser to pick up only the text inside the HTML (in this case, the emoji)
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[eddie] Gotcha. That is probably good for now. I notice that I get html from several reactions I receive on my site. For now, implementers will probably need to temporarily strip html tags before checking for emoji. I’ll see if I can make a note on the wiki that we can point people to
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martymcguire[m] ah, are you stripping html before checking for emoji?
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[eddie] Yep, I am. Because several of the “test” reactions had html in them
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[eddie] Not just mine, but others as well
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martymcguire[m] makes sense. are you doing that in your jekyll templates? strip_html seems like an easy filter to throw at it before checking for emoji
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[eddie] almost all of my logic is in my node.js ?
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[eddie] Because I think eventually I will outgrow Jekyll and shift my “front-end” code
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martymcguire[m] oh right
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[eddie] But I think using p-content is probably best practice for senders (unless aaronpk provides a better suggestion)
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martymcguire[m] heh, i have mostly gone the other way - making my micropub endpoint stripped down and passing things through, then handling complex results with jekyll plugins and template juggling.
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eddiehinkle.com edited /reacji (+152) "/* How to markup */ add note about html in responses" (view diff)
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[eddie] haha, that’s funny ?
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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gregorlove.com edited /read (+391) "/* gRegor Morrill */ update" (view diff)
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martymcguire[m] hmm. maybe this emoji gem isn't all it's cracked up to be
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martymcguire[m] it didn't have red heart and it doesn't have ?
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martymcguire[m] so i am making special cases.
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[eddie] Oh weird! It doesn’t have ❤ or ??? that’s weird
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martymcguire[m] yeah. possibly i shouldn't have just picked the first emoji gem that i googled with support for looking up the emoji by its unicode character. }
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martymcguire[m] picks up your emoji now, though: https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/05/162509/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Site updates: showing emoji reactions
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martymcguire[m] ok. updated my emoji-supplying lib and it has support for slightly more emojis
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martymcguire[m] i think the red heart trips it up because it's multiple codes, which means it's unlikely that zwj stuff will work.
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martymcguire[m] oh well, it's already shipped! i'll wait 'til it breaks.
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[kevinmarks] How is it that mastodon chokes on a few thousand users? MySQL problems?
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loqi.me edited /Mastodon (+22) "[kevinmarks] added "http://tooter.today" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk https://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/Mastodon.html with css
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] @bob weird that i can't reply from other websites
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jeremycherfas.net edited /tragedy_of_the_comments (+161) "--~~~~ Replace link with archived version" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk i cannot figure out how to follow you from the dev environment, in fact i don't think i can because its not a public instance, Its just the vagrant version of it which is super easy to get running but has limitations
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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loqi.me edited /LiveJournal (+74) "martymcguire[m] added "http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2017/04/random-excuses.html" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk You should be able to enter "@aaronpk@aaron.pk" in the search box above the toot box
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 7 minutes ago: https://ben.thatmustbe.me/static/Mastodon.html with css
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 minutes ago: i cannot figure out how to follow you from the dev environment, in fact i don't think i can because its not a public instance, Its just the vagrant version of it which is super easy to get running but has limitations
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Loqi I agree
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk: it always returns a 500 error when trying to subscribe to remote feeds, i tried some real ones to confirm assuming @mattl@mastodon.social is the correct format there
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe try asking in #mastodon?
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martymcgui.re edited /LiveJournal (+322) "update on ToS change to require compliance w/ Russian law" (view diff)
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sknebel I wonder if a "bring your own domain" feature for Mastodon or other GNU social servers would be interesting. Right now some people are worried about which server to choose, that would potentially allow that?
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aaronpk there seems to be a lot of confusion around the idea of usernames and moving accounts
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aaronpk people seem to want to believe that the username is the unique thing, rather than seeing that by signing up on an instance, their identity is username + domain
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www.svenknebel.de edited /edit (+389) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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tantek ooh
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sknebel ugh, not entirely awake. My last message should end with "..potentially allow to move transparently"
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petermolnar aaronpk I have a feeling that is because @user@domain.something. If it was like a mail address, with a single @, that may have helped.
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tantek still can't believe people are seriously pursuing yet another syntax for usernames
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petermolnar partially because, not exclusively
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aaronpk the interesting this is in the UI, it often shows just the @username
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petermolnar tantek how many lightweight text formatting we have? :)
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petermolnar from what I read, if it's a "local" user that's the idea
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tantek petermolnar: nope misanalogy. user identifiers have much more exposure than random text formats
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aaronpk yeah, mastodon is putting too much emphasis on "local" vs "remote"
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petermolnar @username[@localdomain] by default
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tantek but yeah, this is why webfinger tried to push everyone towards email like identifiers
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tantek without the leading @
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tantek so everyone would by default include their local domain
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petermolnar I seriously dislike the trend to have "@" as prefix to indicate username
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tantek aaronpk: agreed, that's a major flaw in Mastodon UX
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petermolnar $var
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tantek and how about !group? because that's intuitive/well-established ;)
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tantek (bad areas to makeup syntax)
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petermolnar I'm glady I missed that
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tantek petermolnar: that's in Mastodon
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petermolnar yeah, I've tried diaspora* and since I'm sceptical to sign up to Mastodon and the rest similar
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tantek sknebel++ for iterating on /edit
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Loqi sknebel has 5 karma in this channel (24 overall)
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tantek for editing /edit ;)
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tantek petermolnar: I think there are many with similar skepticisims
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sknebel tantek: you giving feedback to GWG yesterday made me think of it, and that at least spell fixes should be really easy
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petermolnar I even installed diaspora* a long while ago because I wanted to salvage an oldschool forum/social site which was shutting down, I failed miserably
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tantek sknebel: indeed!
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tantek ideally an external edit response would be as easy to "accept" as accepting a pull request on Github
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tantek or easier!
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petermolnar I wonder if the Mastodon trend will last longer than the Ello trend did...
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tantek petermolnar: lol I think I wondered the same earlier
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tantek I was going to ask if people were exporting their Ello posts and importing them to Mastodon
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petermolnar lol thats a very high level troll question :D
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tantek and this is why I haven't posted that
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petermolnar nah, sometimes you need to let your inner troll out
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petermolnar (and I'd love to see the reactions)
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ben_thatmustbeme yauns: Yet Another UserName Syntax
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/pull/1063
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme++
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[kevinmarks] !group is in gnusocial, but mastodon didn't support it
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[kevinmarks] https://mastodon.social/@phl/1775763
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[kevinmarks] it would be nice if the search box supported URLs as well as whatever those @- prefixed things are called
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[kevinmarks] lol at codeclimate grumping, ben
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[kevinmarks] what did it take to get an instance running well enough to change code?
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[kevinmarks] 'cos I'd like to get the rel="me" stuff in
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[kevinmarks] hm I tried @aaron@aaron.pk - mastodon.social seems to have subbed me to https://mastodon.social/web/accounts/54302
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[kevinmarks] xoxo.zone gives a 500
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aaronpk i tried delegating @aaronpk@aaron.pk to my mastodon.social account
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[kevinmarks] via webfinger?
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aaronpk yeah
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[kevinmarks] https://client.webfinger.net/lookup?resource=aaronpk%40aaron.pk
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aaronpk huh, webfinger.net doens't do the host-meta discovery bit?
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aaronpk the host-meta file points to my webfinger endpoint
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aaronpk i just realized the irony of using host-meta for webfinger
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aaronpk the webfinger endpoint is supposed to be in ".well-known", so that it is a well known URL. but apparently some people didn't like having to hardcode their webfinger endpoint there, so they made a way to discover the webfinger endpoint via the "host-meta" file, which is under .well-known
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[kevinmarks] I blame blaine and his legendary grandma
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petermolnar yo dawg, I heard you don't like .well-known, you I put a .well-known in your .well-known so you don't have to use .well-know
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ben_thatmustbeme [kevinmarks]: its super easy with the vagrant file they have there
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[kevinmarks] ben_thatmustbeme did you check the mf2 on the user pages too - the h-feed problem?
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ben_thatmustbeme i think that fixed it
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ben_thatmustbeme i should double check
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ben_thatmustbeme have to run for the moment though
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Loqi agreed.
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loqi.me edited /alerting (+37) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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aaronpk ooh, relevant to bridgy: https://blog.twitter.com/2017/new-apis-to-power-the-future-of-customer-engagement-in-direct-messages
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aaronpk "Expanding the scope of activities delivered via the Account Activity API to include the following for an authorized account: Replies, mentions, Retweets, Likes, Follows and more"
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aaronpk the Account Activity API is a web hook API!
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aaronpk https://dev.twitter.com/webhooks/account-activity
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aaronpk whoa, "The Account Activity API will eventually replace the User streams and Site streams APIs."
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aaronpk they are moving away from their streaming API in favor of web hooks?!
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aaronpk web architecture wins again
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if this is connected to the lite.twitter.com approach
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[kevinmarks] They had to slim down their apis for that client https://blog.twitter.com/2017/how-we-built-twitter-lite
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sknebel isn't end of the streaming api bad for whatever local clients are left? or are those not commonly using that?
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aaronpk it sounds like the streaming API will stick around for the home timeline
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aaronpk but not for notifications relating to your account
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sknebel "The Account Activity API will eventually replace the User streams and Site streams APIs"
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[cleverdevil] That's really big news~
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sknebel and user streams is the home timeline for the user, unless I'm completely mixing things up
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aaronpk oh gosh you're right
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aaronpk aha
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aaronpk "We’re excited about our progress and experimenting with HTTP/2..."
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aaronpk I bet they're going to drop the streaming API in favor of HTTP/2's persistent connections
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aaronpk EventSource does a pretty good job of realtime events, and is already in browsers, and doesn't require as complicated of a backend as a proprietary streaming API
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sknebel maybe. right now it reads more like the webhooks replace all streaming APIs eventually
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aaronpk i mean i can't imagine they'd deliver the home timeline via webhooks
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[kevinmarks] Oh boy https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/177#issuecomment-292233917
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GWG Good morrow
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www.boffosocko.com created /ISBN (+2087) "definition; tools; examples; see also" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /International_Standard_Book_Number (+18) "redirect to ISBN" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /read (+11) "ISBN to see also" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Amazon_Standard_Identification_Numbers (+38) "see also links" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme [kevinmarks]: i'm afraid to read back in the thread
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gRegorLove "Is federation confusing enough already? No? Let's add blockchain!"
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tantek really hope that's a joke
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ben_thatmustbeme some people believe way to much is
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ben_thatmustbeme blockchain all the things
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4nhz5Lzd.jpg
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sknebel if I remember right, namecoin was the one which had it's own blockchain which nobody cares about, so the top miner has 70% of the hash power?
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tantek queues up chainformats for April fools ideas
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tantek considers microcoin
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gRegorLove That's funny/sad if true, sknebel. I wonder if people still use .bit domains on namecoin
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gRegorLove What is .bit
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Loqi bit is an experiment to have a non-centalized TLD when domains can be bought with namecoin (cryptocurrency) instead of just via registrars https://indieweb.org/.bit
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sknebel gRegorLove: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/atc16/atc16_paper-ali.pdf page 5
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gRegorLove Yikes
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gRegorLove What is namecoin?
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Loqi namecoin is a bitcoin fork which was created to handle, buy and manage .bit decentralized domains https://indieweb.org/namecoin
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gregorlove.com edited /namecoin (+219) "note 75% compute power control with link" (view diff)
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aaronpk wtf for real?
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gRegorLove "Namecoin has many fewer peer nodes than Bitcoin (170 vs. 4,600 in Jan 2016 [4]), which makes it more vulnerable to DDoS attacks as well"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2017-04-05-hwc-pdx.jpg]]""
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aaronparecki.com edited /events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club (+143) "add photo" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu a CCMS? https://gathercontent.com/website-projects
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KartikPrabhu sorry CMSMS
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[kevinmarks] don't forget indiecreddit
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[kevinmarks] now 3 years old
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[kevinmarks] and still very easy to mine
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[kevinmarks] as in I don't think anyone except me mined any
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aaronpk i think i mined some at one point
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ben_thatmustbeme i had trouble installing it and said... ehh
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[kevinmarks] not even sure which mac it was on. Probably the stolen one, but I have a backup
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ben_thatmustbeme attempts to build indiecredit
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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[kevinmarks] there was some annoying thing to do with uPnP so you could see external miners
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[kevinmarks] can't remember if I got it working or manually made a route
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gRegorLove haha, just noticed /blockchain
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Loqi rofl
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gRegorLove What is blockchain
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Loqi blockchain is a weapon used in the middle ages composed of a block shaped striking head attached to a handle by a flexible rope, strap, or chain https://indieweb.org/blockchain
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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ben_thatmustbeme i forgot about that
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ben_thatmustbeme i did a few of those where people couldn't agree on the definition of things
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ben_thatmustbeme https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=trip&action=history
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ben_thatmustbeme my own version of tanteking
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Can we get 2017.indieweb.org/Bellingham with tito ticket registration set up before the newsletter goes out tomorrow?
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aaronpk good idea
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loqi.me created /Clips (+464) "prompted by [chrisaldrich] and dfn added by [cleverdevil]" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme aha, aaronpk, i figured out subscribing via my vagrant instance on mastodon
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ben_thatmustbeme so i should be able to figure out where its getting the error when trying to subscribe to you
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ben_thatmustbeme you put in username@server, not @username@server
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[kevinmarks] The federated timeline is a bit like vouch
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[kevinmarks] I don't think you see mentions from a remote unless someone on your instance follows them
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loqi.me edited /Mastodon (+90) "[kevinmarks] added "https://robek.world/featured/what-is-gnu-social-and-is-mastodon-social-a-twitter-clone/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk alright, I just launched an experiment. which sadly wont' be super useful until there are more readers
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aaronpk When you're on any of my pages with a feed, there is a "follow" button at the bottom now. https://aaronparecki.com/notes
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aaronpk Clicking that takes you to a page on my site, https://aaronparecki.com/follow?path=notes
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aaronpk There, you enter your domain name, and my site finds where to send you to complete the following request. More details described on the page.
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk the next step will be a notification/confirmation of the follow, so that I can show a following count
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aaronpk but that's totally not important for the actual follow to happen
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[cleverdevil] That's a great idea.
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tantek a /follow post would make a decent confirmation
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aaronpk yeah!
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tantek links to your home page with a new experimental property like a u-like-of but for follow
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tantek then sends a webmention
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tantek presto, no auth needed :P
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tantek no salmon signatures no crypto nothing
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aaronpk also provides an audit trail of sorts so I can show my following count and link back to all the posts where people say they followed me
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tantek BTW re: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/04/05/4/hwc - Mastodon did not come up *at all* at last night's HWC SF
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] I suspect Mastodon.social will be a hot topic at tonight's Homebrew Website Club! http://calagator.org/events/1250471607
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tantek it was much more about photography
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tantek :)
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aaronpk wow!