#dev 2017-04-12

2017-04-12 UTC
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ignite.digitalignition.net edited /WordPress (+0) "Fixing link that had moved and formatting that broke linking of post after that" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] I'm tinkering this evening on a webhook for Plex that will Micropub a "now playing" event to my site.
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[cleverdevil] Any recommendations on an easy Webmention client library for PHP?
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[cleverdevil] I've already got the entire webhook payload processing, and can pretty easily build the content at this point.
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[cleverdevil] But, I'd prefer not to hand-roll the Micropub...
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miklb [cleverdevil] library for sending?
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aaronpk There's an IndieAuth client for PHP which handles the authorization part
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aaronpk the actual Micropub request is just a post so you don't gain much by using a library
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[cleverdevil] Yah, library for sending.
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[cleverdevil] Good point...
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[cleverdevil] Its not that complicated... I've done it from pure Python before.
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miklb https://github.com/indieweb/mention-client-php
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aaronpk Wait webmention or Micropub
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[cleverdevil] Micropub.
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[cleverdevil] Ah, I see, I said Micropub in the first message and Webmention in the second ?
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, definitely Micropub.
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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miklb what is featured
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Loqi featured is a proposed mf2 property (typically as u-featured) for h-entry that indicates a representative image for a primarily textual post https://indieweb.org/featured
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miklb.com edited /featured (+409) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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getpop.org edited /2017/Nuremberg/Guest_List (+259) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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derhess.de edited /events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club (+36) "/* Berlin */" (view diff)
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@captaxin ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 53 (twitter.com/_/status/852049420384260096)
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@karenbwill RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 53 (twitter.com/_/status/852048500393037825)
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aaronparecki.com moved /How_to_publish_and_consume_PubSubHubbub to /How_to_publish_and_consume_WebSub
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+864) "provide end-user error messages" (view diff)
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gRegorLove aaronpk: I made updates to 2017.indieweb.org/bellingham, can you deploy?
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gRegorLove miklb: Did you get the blockquote / phpdom stuff sorted out?
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miklb gRegorLove I did!
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gRegorLove Awesome
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miklb I went with my friend Chris's sledge hammer approach. Another friend suggested XPath, but my quick test didn't work. Will revisit in future for a better long term solution.
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gRegorLove xpath can be confusing in my experience, heh
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gRegorLove Working on php-mf2 parser has familiarized me with it some
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miklb gRegorLove I can only imagine
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loqi.me edited /Health (+53) "[cleverdevil] added "http://hub.humanapi.co/v1.0/page/apple-health-data" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek miklb but did you cue up Peter Gabriel for that? (sledge hammer)
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miklb tantek lol, no, but thanks for the ear worm
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Private-Webmention (+134) "/* Issues */ redirects?" (view diff)
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gRegorLove How about the '80s show? https://youtu.be/UGYKU7mbv74
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martymcguire[m] that is also where my mind went, gRegorLove
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Mastodon (+129) "/* Building Blocks */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Mastodon (+76) "/* Features */ content warning" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Strava (+157) "stub Brainstorming" (view diff)
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ascraeus.org edited /10Centuries (+198) (view diff)
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tantek !tell dgold,chrisaldrich re: 10C definitely worth requesting that bits be open sourced for helping add more indieweb friendly functionality, like perhaps the markup templates so mf2 can be added
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /10Centuries (-11) "move a couple of indieweb friendly notes to that section" (view diff)
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gRegorLove "code collaboration isn't going to happen with v4 at this point in time, but v5 will be completely open from the get-go. For the moment some open docs are what I can offer. As for "machine-readable", isn't every document technically readable by a machine? ?"
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tantek is wondering about t-shirts for IWS
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tantek just remembered that American Apparel is shutting down retail this month, thus if we want to use their shirts again its likely we need to put in an order soon
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loqi.me created /smart_speaker (+264) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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[eddie] Regarding micropub extensions, it mentions server commands are prefixed with mp-. There is also a section regarding new properties: https://indieweb.org/Micropub-extensions Are new properties generally considered to have a mp- prefix or are they considered part of the h-entry?
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[eddie] I’m specifically talking about visibility
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tantek eddie - visibility, is that like draft vs published?
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[eddie] It’s like Private/Public
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tantek private to just the author? or more broadly to a particular ACL?
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tantek what is a private post
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/private_post
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[eddie] I assume private is just the author, unless the server is given additional rules to add ACL
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[eddie] Ohhhh, I think I just realized it’s mentioned but nothing implements it yet
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[eddie] Because Post Status lists Quill and p3k as implementors, but Visibility just talks about Wordpress
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[eddie] So I guess the question would be how post-status is treated, with the mp- prefix or not.
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[eddie] And I could probably just test that one with Quill to find otu ?
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tantek or check the Quill source :)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Template:Infobox_person/doc (+183) "elsewhere into template" (view diff)
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tantek whoa wat
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tantek what is elsewhere
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "elsewhere" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek waits to see what chrisaldrich is up to
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: Just following on gRegorLove's coattails /User:Boffosocko.com
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 42 minutes ago: re: 10C definitely worth requesting that bits be open sourced for helping add more indieweb friendly functionality, like perhaps the markup templates so mf2 can be added
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[chrisaldrich] most of the other templates had an "elsewhere"
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tantek really confused about what templates you're talking about - I don't know of any like that
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[chrisaldrich] Something gRegorLove made last year: https://indieweb.org/Template:Infobox_person
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gRegorLove iirc I set that up around IWS last year when shaners was working on the h-card thing to replace user pages
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[chrisaldrich] then there's also an attendee template for IWC
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gRegorLove So it was an attempt to add a nice looking h-card to user pages
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gRegorLove Bigger than a /sparkline
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tantek this is now finally starting to sound somewhat familiar
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tantek thanks gRegorLove yes that makes sense and sounds very wikipedia-like
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[chrisaldrich] Could also be used to cut and paste the html into one's site...
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tantek hey when did https://2017.indieweb.org go live? anyone?
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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gRegorLove Unfortunately it doesn't work nicely with Loqi because Loqi looks for h-entry summaries
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gRegorLove Who is gRegorLove
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Loqi gRegor Morrill photo/avatar for gRegor Morrill gRegor Morrill is a software developer living in Bellingham, Washington. Pronouns: he/him/his http://gregorlove.com https://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com
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gRegorLove Oh hey
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tantek was that not expected?
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gRegorLove tantek: 2017 subdomain went up late last week-ish
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tantek oh! did it make the newsletter?
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gRegorLove Er, I think it was just after.
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gRegorLove 2017.indieweb.org/bellingham is up too!
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[chrisaldrich] Saturday I think
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tantek alrighty then, got to get cranking on the 2017/* pages
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tantek especially the one that https://2017.indieweb.org links to!
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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tantek what is 2017/Schedule ?
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tantek hmm
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gRegorLove Don't think Loqi answers with slashes
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[chrisaldrich] gRegorLove, I was looking at modifying that template to include a <dfn>, but wasn't sure if Loqi would prefer the p-summary over <dnf>
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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich]: Loqi looks for p-summary. The wiki plugin auto-adds p-summary around the first sentence with <dfn> if there isn't an explicit one, or another top-level h-*
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: loqi looks for p-summary. the wiki plugin auto-adds p-summary around the first sentence with <dfn> if there isn't an explicit one
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gRegorLove Don't mimic me, Loqi :P
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gRegorLove So I don't think a <dfn> is necessary
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gRegorLove tantek: Is there a leader summit at IWS this year, or TBD?
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tantek gRegorLove: TBD - I think we should do one
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tantek last year's was very helpful and resulted in a bunch of pretty important decision / changes that I think benefitted the community greatly (e.g. IRC channels)
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gRegorLove Agreed
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gRegorLove I have the day off, so I'm available
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tantek on the Friday?
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tantek alright let's start planning that then
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gRegorLove Yeah
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tantek want to take a crack at drafting /2017/Schedule ?
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com (+57) "/* Introduction */ current HWC/IWC" (view diff)
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gRegorLove After 2017/Bellingham/Schedule, sure :)
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gRegorLove !tell aaronpk: I made updates to 2017.indieweb.org/bellingham, can you deploy? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek heh ok I'll stub
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tantek.com edited /PubSub (+75) "start the WebSub renaming with dfn / summary" (view diff)
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tantek.com deleted /WebSub "Deleted to make way for move"
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tantek.com moved /PubSub to /WebSub "renamed since WebSub is CR now, prior page was just a dfn stub"
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tantek what is WebSub
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Loqi WebSub (previously known as PubSubHubbub or PuSH, and briefly PubSub) is a notification-based protocol for web publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indieweb.org/WebSub
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aaronpk "and briefly PubSub" lol
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Loqi aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 20 minutes ago: I made updates to 2017.indieweb.org/bellingham, can you deploy? Thanks!
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aaronpk gRegorLove: updated
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gregorlove.com created /2017/Bellingham/Schedule (+4637) "initial set up with placeholders for sessions" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2017/Schedule (+792) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek ok gRegorLove you can add yourself as avail / up for the leaders summit now there https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule
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gRegorLove Ok, heading out now. Will update tonight.
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aaronpk PSA: that will be the unconference day of osbridge
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tantek aaronpk - yeah I realized that
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tantek we'll figure it out with the half-day overlap
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek current thinking: IWLS morning of, break for lunch / random leader bonding activity optional OSBridge barcamp day in the afternoon
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tantek or just enjoy Portland outdoors in the sunshine
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tantek that is, we can likely skip the intro/session proposal time of OSBridge barcamp day since we'll be doing two days of indieweb sessions that weekend and don't need to propose any new ones to OSBridge
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tantek that's just off the top of my head
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tantek also I feel like the "before lunch" time is particularly effective at having a high-cognitive-functioning focused meetup to decide on "hard questions" of community and such
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aaronpk much better than after lunch
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tantek cool
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tantek maybe we can kick it off with a DIY breakfast taco bar ;)
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tantek (food is always a good incentive to get people to show up :) )
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+1123) "Leaders Summit brainstorm" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+48) "/* Leaders Summit */ separate page? prefix my what suggestions" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk,gRegorLove: you inspired me to brainstorm a bit more: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Leaders_Summit (captured the schedule thoughts)
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tantek.com edited /Timehop (+273) "Timehopception define here instead of its own page" (view diff)
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