#dev 2017-04-13

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www.boffosocko.com created /pineapple (+1408) "prompted by tantek; definition, internet slang; meme" (view diff)
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martymcguire[m] oh! i am excited to learn that i qualify for attending the leaders summit thanks to hosting HWC Baltimore.
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tantek yes indeed!
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martymcguire[m] looking forward to it!
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tantek add yourself!
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martymcgui.re edited /2017/Schedule (+66) "rsvp wiki-style!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+63) "more brainstorming. morning leader summit = remote participation with European leaders maybe" (view diff)
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@shahw1 RT zguta: LXCain jtatkinson666 bandersdavidson marthaperez0609 sheba4005 Your RT support is appreciated #IndieAuth… https://twitter.com/zguta/status/852143360798318592/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/852330403583209475)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+784) "copy who from /2016/Leaders, add Other thoughts" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+26) "subheads" (view diff)
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tantek !tell sknebel,Zegnat,jkphl,adactio,calumryan,tommorris,jeena,voxpelli,petermolnar are you available the evening of Friday 2017-06-23 to remote participate in an IndieWeb Leaders Summit? Add a note accordingly: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Comments
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek I know I'm missing folks but that's a good start
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www.boffosocko.com edited /watch (+249) "Letterboxd" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2017/Schedule (+402) "Keynotes brainstorming" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /RunKeeper (+97) "Features stub section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /RunKeeper (+157) "according to rhiaro they support and redirect to https now. issue resolved. cc: aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/24/3/runkeeper" (view diff)
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@rngala W3C implementation: @ mention that works across websites; so that you don't feel immovable from Twitter or Fb.. https://webmention.net/draft/ (twitter.com/_/status/852354426983591937)
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tantek wow that's a good way to put it
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miklb agreed
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seblog.nl edited /2017/Nuremberg/Guest_List (+201) "RSVP" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /2017/Nuremberg/Guest_List (+0) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] webmention << an @ mention that works across websites; so that you don't feel immovable from Twitter or Fb. https://twitter.com/rngala/status/852354426983591937
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@rngala W3C implementation: @ mention that works across websites; so that you don't feel immovable from Twitter or Fb.. http://buff.ly/2ocxNYq (twitter.com/_/status/852354426983591937)
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loqi.me edited /Webmention (+149) "[kevinmarks] added "an @ mention that works across websites; so that you don't feel immovable from Twitter or Fb. https://twitter.com/rngala/status/852354426983591937" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "an @ mention that works across websites; so that you don't feel immovable from Twitter or Fb. https://twitter.com/rngala/status/852354426983591937" to the "See Also" section of /Webmention
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sebastiangreger.net edited /events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club (+10) "/* West Europe */ Berlin location update" (view diff)
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sebastiangreger.net edited /next-hwc (+0) "update redirect to: events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club" (view diff)
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sebastiangreger.net edited /events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club (+77) "/* Berlin */ added links, going" (view diff)
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sebastiangreger.net edited /events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club (+113) "/* Blog posts */ added reports from HWC Berlin" (view diff)
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voxpelli !tell tantek Not sure I can make it to the Leaders Summit, that day is a pretty major Swedish holiday, Midsummer's Eve, so I might be tied up into celebrating that. I've marked the date in my calendar anyhow though
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi voxpelli: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 32 minutes ago: are you available the evening of Friday 2017-06-23 to remote participate in an IndieWeb Leaders Summit? Add a note accordingly: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Comments
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loqi.me created /indieweb_network (+124) "prompted by ben_thatmustbeme and dfn added by ben_thatmustbeme" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /wiki/backup (+109) "/* Cons */ more specific" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se created /IndieWeb_friendly (+22) "Add redirect for "IndieWeb friendly"" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /indieweb_network (+414) "Rewording things a bit, pointing towards the indieweb friendliness + the projects page and plurality principle" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /indieweb_network (+78) "/* Larger or multi-user software */ link to upcoming PR" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /indieweb_network (+112) "/* Single User Software */ add p3k" (view diff)
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kodfabrik.se edited /indieweb_network (+236) "Mention any alternative specification that's used besides the indieweb ones" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /indieweb_network (-2) "/* Single User Software */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /friendly (+3) "move app.net to "previoulsy"" (view diff)
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voxpelli do anyone know the best wiki page that lists indieweb protocols/specifications?
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voxpelli what is specifications?
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Loqi Specifications are technical documentation of how to support key building blocks for the indieweb, in particular, to achieve various levels and axes of IndieMark feature functionality with formats, protocols, and algorithms for consuming, sending, and receiving https://indieweb.org/specifications
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voxpelli what is protocols?
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Loqi protocols are defined ways for programs to interact with each other, and key building blocks of the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/protocols
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voxpelli ^ both of those doesn't feel super up to date, both updated in fall of 2015
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aaronpk hmm
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voxpelli I have a memory of there being a more up to date one, but I can't remember where that would be, do you aaronpk or ben_thatmustbeme?
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aaronpk those two pages seem to have the same goal
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aaronpk i'm going to try to merge them
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aaronpk voxpelli: oh there's also https://indieweb.org/building_blocks which is sorta related
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voxpelli aaronpk: yeah, but that barely even mentions Micropub, so it feels even more out of date :P
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[kevinmarks] is there a way to see the local feed of a mastodon instance without logging in?
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: the public timeline for it? I haven't seen a way yet
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[kevinmarks] gnusocial has that
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aaronpk IMO that's a plumbing-centric feature that shouldn't exist and only encourages more fragmentation and the multiple identity problem
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aaronpk it's part of the "local users have special privileges" problem
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aaronparecki.com edited /specifications (+24) "update h-entry extensions to "widely implemented", add WebSub and Private Webmention" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /protocol (-116) "move list to [[specifications]] to avoid having another place to keep updated" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] there is json: https://mastodon.social/api/v1/timelines/public
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aaronpk does OStatus have a concept of that or did GNU Social just implement it in some way like this JSON endpoint?
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/jsontoxoxo?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.social%2Fapi%2Fv1%2Ftimelines%2Fpublic
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singpolyma "local feeds" are a debugging sort of hack, definitely not in protocol
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voxpelli Fun thing about OStatus is that only thing it actually specified was the http://ostatus.org/schema/1.0/subscribe relation type that could be added to ones host-meta, the rest was just describing how to use other specs
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aaronpk OStatus 2.0: h-entry, Webmention, WebSub, Micropub?
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aaronpk lol
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voxpelli Would make a lot of sense
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GWG Maybe that is IStatus
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dansup dont forget activityStreams
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aaronpk maybe once we start seeing multiple interoperable implementations of activitystreams on peoples' personal websites
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[kevinmarks] csswg has a mastodon?
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/jsontoxoxo?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsocial.csswg.org%2Fapi%2Fv1%2Ftimelines%2Fpublic
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voxpelli Activitystreams and h-entries can live side by side, WebSub would be used for both and WebMentions could makes sense for activitystreams as well I assume?
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martymcguire[m] please excuse me while i remove the lid from this can of worms
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Schedule (+59) "/* Comments */ attending" (view diff)
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martymcguire[m] but it seems to me that activitystreams and h-feed have a lot of overlap?
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voxpelli martymcguire[m]: yes, very much so, they do serve the same purpose
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voxpelli They are also both different evolutions of old classic feeds
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gregorlove.com edited /2017/Schedule (+4) "/* Leaders Summit */ fix organizer link" (view diff)
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voxpelli First version of activitystreams were even an extension of Atom
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[kevinmarks] the version mastodon uses still is
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[kevinmarks] spot the AS1 https://mastodon.social/@kevinmarks.atom
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gRegorLove I think that's why we have/had h-as-* but I think it's an antipattern now
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gRegorLove What is h-as
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Loqi h-as was an attempt to match ActivityStream vocabulary to microformats https://indieweb.org/h-as
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gRegorLove I know it was confusing to me to see "h-as-note" because I read it literally "as note" to indicate the type, not "ActivityStream Note"
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voxpelli Yeah, OStatus kind of lost momentum because PuSH/WebSub didn't catch up to the switch to JSON for a long while, so the realtime aspect of OStatus got lost for a long while during the switching and the community got fragmentized
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gRegorLove I don't think there's any consumers of h-as-*
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[kevinmarks] hm, he changed the atom title to be annoying to fix the leaking summary thing
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voxpelli An interesting note is that I think lots of the Bridgy tech is activitystreams behind the scenes
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voxpelli An interesting note is that I think lots of the Bridgy tech is activitystreams behind the scenes
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martymcguire[m] to me, activitystreams feels redundant with h-feed. i guess i don't have a mental model for what people are using AS for that they could not also use h-feed for?
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voxpelli martymcguire[m]: yes, but some people would say the opposite, that h-feed is redundant because of activitystreams, hence we have two :)
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voxpelli Or not "we", activitystreams is created outside of the IndieWeb community
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voxpelli But is also part of the SocialWG
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martymcguire[m] sure. so is it a question of what existing tools and services support one vs the other?
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aaronpk typically activitystreams is JSON feeds, rather than embedded in the HTML, so it's a very different way of interacting with content
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gRegorLove I think Granary can make AS from h-feed
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martymcguire[m] outside of plumbing, are there use cases like "i couldn't do XYZ because foobar only offers h-feed and not AS"?
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[kevinmarks] yay mf2 http://www.unmung.com/storycard?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.social%2F%40kevinmarks
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martymcguire[m] ooh
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gRegorLove I never noticed the storycard feature
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gRegorLove What is storycard?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "storycard" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk martymcguire[m]: there are some things around "following" that are in AS2 but not in h-feed. I don't think they're widely implemented yet, and we would just need to experiment with them to add them to h-feed
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk: might be an interesting companion to the first microsub implementations
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aaronpk maybe, but I was thinking more along the lines of jf2 which is what XRay and webmention.io return already
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voxpelli microsub?
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martymcguire[m] what is microsub?
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Loqi Microsub is an early draft of a spec that provides a standardized way for clients to consume and interact with feeds collected by a server https://indieweb.org/microsub
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voxpelli oh my, I have been away for long
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voxpelli neat, like the Google Reader API, but as a standard – yay
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk: jf2 is an interesting choice. one of the things i like about mf2 is that it encourages devs to think about display for humans first, machine-readability second.
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Loqi ?
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aaronpk this might not be clear from the doc yet then
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aaronpk the idea is that publishers still publish mf2 in HTML
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aaronpk and then the microsub server converts that to jf2 to deliver it to clients
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aaronpk that way clients have a simpler format to work with, that's still derived directly from the mf2 HTML
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aaronpk does that make more sense?
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voxpelli would be neat to get eg. micro.blog, Reeder.app or so to support and/or give feedback
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aaronpk yeah, i've been talking about this with manton
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martymcguire[m] maybe! i am thinking of the case where i use my microsub client to subscribe to a site and, if i want to make that public, it would also result in a post on my site indicating that i have started following that site.
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[kevinmarks] Storycard was me advocating for mf2 for the see also type story links at the bottom of news sites
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loqi.me created /Storycard (+125) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by [kevinmarks]" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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martymcguire[m] which would lead to figuring out how to mark that up as a /follow post in my h-feed
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[kevinmarks] Wait, loqi understands was?
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martymcguire[m] loqi groks many forms of be
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ben_thatmustbeme heh, [kevinmarks] i take it the MF2 looks good to you then
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aaronpk martymcguire[m]: yeah in that case, it'd be like creating a post via micropub
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm working on a few unit tests so hopefully mastodon won't break them again
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martymcguire[m] right. was i wrong to connect that with the 'things around "following" that are in AS2 but not in h-feed' that you mentioned earlier?
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aaronpk i was just saying that we don't have the idea of a "follow post" spec'd out really well yet
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/657#issuecomment-148875503
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voxpelli Would be neat to get Feedbin to support it in addition to https://github.com/feedbin/feedbin-api as well
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aaronpk yeah that'd be great
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[kevinmarks] Storycard << https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/657#issuecomment-148875503
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loqi.me edited /Storycard (+91) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/657#issuecomment-148875503" to the "See Also" section of /Storycard
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[kevinmarks] That issue went somewhere else though
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gregorlove.com edited /Storycard (-192) "r" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /storycards (+45) "formatting, link to specific gh comment" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is storycard
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Loqi storycards are the 'related articles' previews often shown at the bottom of pages by publishers https://indieweb.org/Storycard
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alex-cio.de edited /2017/Nuremberg/Guest_List (+3) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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@rngala Webmention: You can now post something on your blog and send the equivalent of an '@mention' to other websites http://buff.ly/2pggxkk #W3C (twitter.com/_/status/851479164054065153)
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[kevinmarks] Nice cleanup gregorlove
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[kevinmarks] Gregorlove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 18 karma in this channel (114 overall)
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tantek catches up on the logs here too for today
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Loqi tantek: voxpelli left you a message 7 hours, 26 minutes ago: Not sure I can make it to the Leaders Summit, that day is a pretty major Swedish holiday, Midsummer's Eve, so I might be tied up into celebrating that. I've marked the date in my calendar anyhow though
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tantek oh drat ok
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tantek what is Google Reader API
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Google Reader API" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek or what was
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tantek what are related posts
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "related posts" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is elsewhere
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "elsewhere" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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tantek what is a post footer
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Loqi Post or posts may refer to individual pieces of content published on an indieweb site such as notes, articles, & responses, or the act of creating the aforementioned content (present tense), or Posts about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/post_footer
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tantek what are similar posts
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "similar posts" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hmm
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tantek I thought we had documented that somewhere already, before all the "storycard" specific stuff
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tantek that is, with a more blogging / indieweb focus rather than media / news
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tantek most of the "storycards" I see are paid content linkbait embeds from the likes of Outbrain Taboola etc.
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tantek finds /posts-elsewhere and sees it's about syndication
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tantek what is POSSE syndicated
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "POSSE syndicated" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek POSSE syndicated is redundant like ATM machine; instead just say [[POSSE]], like POSSE copy instead of POSSE syndicated copy.
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loqi.me created /POSSE_syndicated (+152) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is posts elswhere
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "posts elswhere" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is posts elsewhere
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/posts-elsewhere
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gRegorLove Yeah, I'm definitely acclimated to ignoring those storycards on most sites
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tantek because they've become crap
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gRegorLove What is linkbait?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "linkbait" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek so storycards have become an anti-pattern of sorts as a result
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gRegorLove What is clickbait?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "clickbait" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek linkbait is the one neat trick that will generate traffic and income for you.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /linkbait (+104) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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aaronpk what is going on
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gRegorLove haha
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Loqi nice
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sknebel at least taboola and co luckily end up in the script/adblocker anyways...
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Loqi sknebel: tantek left you a message 18 hours, 11 minutes ago: are you available the evening of Friday 2017-06-23 to remote participate in an IndieWeb Leaders Summit? Add a note accordingly: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Comments
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tantek.com edited /posts-elsewhere (-19) "de-redund, fix dfn" (view diff)
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sknebel oh, how did I miss that this morning? Technically sgreger and florianweil initiated the push to get HWC berlin going, I'll relay that invitation to them as well? (they are not regulars in IRC)
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tantek sknebel thank yoU!
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Loqi misses that this morning too
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tantek posts elsewhere << post footer
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loqi.me edited /posts (+12) "tantek added "[[posts]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[[posts]]" to the "See Also" section of /posts
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tantek dang it
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aaronpk wat
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@aaronpk Micropub PR published today! ? https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ This is the last step before REC status! We'd love your impl reports and feedback! (twitter.com/_/status/852613547922042880)
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[eddie] Hmm, bridgy says You need: “a top-level h-feed with h-entrys, top-level h-entrys, OR a <link rel=“feed” href=“...“> pointing to another page with top-level h-feed or h-entrys” What happens if you have an h-feed on your homepage AND a rel=feed?
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[eddie] Should I remove the h-feed from my homepage if it’s note a firehose?
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tantek eddie, then the OR clause is satisfied with your h-feed, and the latter half of the OR clause does not need to be evaluated (is irrelevant)
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[eddie] Okay, so if I want it to follow my rel=feed to my firehose, I should remove the h-feed
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tantek now that's a good question
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[eddie] Yeah, that’s the tricky thing. I have “featured” posts on my homepage, but all my posts are on my firehose. And I’m worried/it seems like Bridgy isn’t detecting all of my posts
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tantek hmmm
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[eddie] Nevermind, looks fine
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[eddie] fetching author’s rel-feed https://eddiehinkle.com/social/
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tantek this seems like a common enough use-case that there should be a way to say hey, go here for my "firehose"
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[eddie] is in the log
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[eddie] Ahhh, hit cap of 10 permalinks
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tantek oh! great!
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[eddie] It’s weird that bridgy doesn’t seem to read your h-feed in order
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[eddie] Oh nevermind
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[eddie] I figured it out
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gRegorLove Yeah, I'm pretty sure it reads your URL + the rel=feed link. That's how it picks up my articles + my notes stream, which are separate.
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tantek oh that's a good clarification, that it unions them
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gRegorLove Still having this issue reading aaronpk's site. Weird. https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-03-30#t1490917526822000
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Loqi [gRegorLove] Hmm, I seem to have problems with PHP reading your site with fsockopen, aaronpk. Confirmed I can read martymcguire[m] (https) and tantek (http) with it, though. Any ideas?...
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tantek GWG, if you have a moment, add a comment here about whether you can make the Leaders Summit https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Comments
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GWG Will do. Prices are high. Hoping for a sale
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[eddie] So some entries in my h-feed weren’t properly marked up as h-entrys. Bridgy crawled my site and missed all of my non-h-entry posts. I have since fixed the problem and checked using pin13. However even when I ask bridgy to re-crawl my site, it still seems that it’s just picking up the same old posts.
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[eddie] Is there a certain time length that bridgy caches a site’s content that anyone knows of?
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gRegorLove bear or anyone else have suggestions about this? https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/my-site-is-apparently-having/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] My site is apparently having trouble reading Aaron’s site. I’m getting a timeout error with fsockopen(). At first I thought it was an issue reading https sites, but I don't have the problem connecting to Marty’s site or https://pin13.net. The l...
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martymcguire[m] do your h-entry have a dt-updated ?
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martymcguire[m] (err, that's to [eddie]: do your h-entry have a dt-updated ?)
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bear gRegorLove what is making the socket connection? what language?
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gRegorLove PHP
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bear what does a curl to the url show
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[eddie] martymcguire[m]: ohhhh, probably not. It looks like I just have the published
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gRegorLove bear: 200 OK and the HTML
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sknebel [eddie]: example post?
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[eddie] Example of the ones that are missed or the ones that are picked up?
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sknebel one that doesn't work as it should
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[eddie] https://eddiehinkle.com/watch/2017/04/beauty-and-the-beast-finished/
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[cleverdevil] eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 1 karma in this channel (10 overall)
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[cleverdevil] Nice!
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[cleverdevil] I like how you link to the movie.
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[cleverdevil] I should update mine to link to IMDB.
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[eddie] I’ve been using the https://www.themoviedb.org API
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[eddie] Super useful
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[cleverdevil] (Plex automatches to IMDB, IIRC, and I think it even comes across in the webhook)
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Loqi definitely
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[cleverdevil] I also like the icon.
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[cleverdevil] I know movie vs. TV show.
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[cleverdevil] I'll update mine to do that, too ?
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bear gRegorLove - I suspect either a issue with fsockopen and timeout or aaronpk's site has a hostname change - as outlined in http://stackoverflow.com/a/25305626
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bear which also has a small bit of test code
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gRegorLove Cool, thanks!
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[eddie] cleverdevil: Yeah, now I just need to find the right emoji for “Web Video” haha, that one is more difficult
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gRegorLove bear++
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bear because if curl is handling it - then it's in the PHP layer which I don't grok
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Loqi rofl
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[eddie] sknebel: When I check the log, I get this: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1492124422&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyIwsSDEZhY2Vib29rUGFnZSIRMTAxMDIyNTA1MTM4NTQxODYM
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[eddie] The first item in the log (My reply to Marty) is the first item on the /social page that isn’t a /watch or /listen post. Both my /watch and /listen posts earlier didn’t have h-entry added, hence Bridgy missed them (https://eddiehinkle.com/social/)
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[eddie] So basically bridgy is continuing to ignore my watch and listen posts, even though they now have h-entry on them
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gRegorLove Progress. PHP's socket_create() works, so something in the fsockopen handling I guess.
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gRegorLove bear: What do you mean by hostname change?
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bear I was thinking that if the cert being returned doesn't match the host that fsockopen uses it may cause an error if it validates the cert chain
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bear was just a bit of debug thought
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[cleverdevil] Thanks for the idea, eddie -> http://share.cleverdevil.io/i67qj4SDZY.png
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gRegorLove Hmm, I wonder if this is an ipv6 issue
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[eddie] cleverdevil: :thumbsup: And, good choice in movie ?
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gRegorLove aaronparecki.com shows an ipv6 and ipv4, pin13 only ipv4. I bet my php setup isn't handling ipv6 correctly
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bear do this: `curl -vv https://aaronparecki.com/ 2>&1 | less` and see if the lines before you get to the line that is `> GET / HTTP/1.1` show any errors
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Loqi Aaron Parecki h
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bear that will show you the messy details of the TLS handshake
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bear you should see a bit like: * Connected to aaronparecki.com (45.79.83.22) port 443 (#0)
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bear * successfully set certificate verify locations:
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bear * CAfile: none
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bear CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
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gRegorLove Looks like it tried ipv6 first, then ipv4 and connected by that
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bear and then a bit like: * SSL connection using ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256
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bear * subject: CN=aaronparecki.com
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bear * Server certificate:
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Loqi agreed.
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gRegorLove Yep, I've got all that
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bear and if you don't see * SSL certificate verify ok. before the header stuff...
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bear oh - then keep scrolling to find out what part died
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gRegorLove I have SSL certificate verify ok and all of the headers/html. So it must be something in the PHP layer
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bear ok, do you see the <htm> <head> stuff?
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gRegorLove Yeah
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sknebel [eddie]: there is still something quite wrong with your /social
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sknebel a bunch of posts don't have h-entries, and their u-url etc end up as properites of the h-feed
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bear gRegorLove - k, then it's definintely in the web page php layer and i'll be of little help
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sknebel [eddie]: see top of http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feddiehinkle.com%2Fsocial%2F -> all those "url" and "category" values
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gRegorLove bear: Thanks for your time. It was helpful, narrowing things down :)
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bear anytime
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sknebel [eddie]: I assume bridgy starts with them for some reason
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gRegorLove Plus, new curl tricks
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sknebel gRegorLove: which php version are you running?
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gRegorLove 5.6.29
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sknebel ipv6 sounds like a good theory: aaronparecki.com has an AAAA record, but no webserver listening on ipv6
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sknebel if something just tried the first IP it finds, it'll time out
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sknebel aaronpk^
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sknebel gRegorLove: easiest ways to verify this is probably a minimal script around the problematic call and strace, or tcpdump
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sknebel (or getting aaronpk to put an HTTP server on IPv6 and check if it goes away ;))
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gRegorLove Yeah, I'm using a script that just calls fsockopen(), nothing more complex