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gRegorLove I might just check with Dreamhost support. Pretty sure this issue only came up when they upgraded PHP. I've definitely sent wm to aaronpk successfully previously
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sknebel ah, not your own server, yeah, then that's the better option
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sknebel might be that they only enabled ipv6 with the update
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sknebel (and potentially, that problem could hit others and other languages as well, so that's something aaronpk should look into fixing on the server-end as well)
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gRegorLove Updated with that note and the code: https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/my-site-is-apparently-having/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] My site is apparently having trouble reading Aaron’s site. I’m getting a timeout error with fsockopen(). At first I thought it was an issue reading https sites, but I don't have the problem connecting to Marty’s site or https://pin13.net. The l...
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gRegorLove And submitted to DH support
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GWG What was the fatal error?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fatal error" yet. Would you like to create it?
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miklb GWG Call to undefined method Kind_Taxonomy::get_kind_properties() in indieweb-post-kinds/includes/class-kind-meta.php:231
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GWG I thought I fixed that. Maybe I didn't push it. Will check. That is the old function.
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miklb I might not have had latest, checking again
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GWG It's me.
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GWG I found the issue.
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GWG I thought I had removed all references to the old way of doing things.
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GWG This branch is pre me testing everything.
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GWG Fixed now though.
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miklb OK, now I need to check the templates in my theme.
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miklb hmm
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GWG Yes?
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miklb something with my new code for filtering the embed broke
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GWG Sorry
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miklb $embed is empty string
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miklb and because I didn't have a check for $embed being empty, i get a fatal error
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GWG Do I need one in the plugin?
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miklb I need to switch to the default template to see what's going on, but `self::get_embed( $meta->get_url() );` is returning empty
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miklb GWG so I used the default template and it's not showing the oembed. I tried resetting that setting on backend, but didn't change.
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GWG I just changed get_url. Let me continue troubleshooting.
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miklb sure, no rush.
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GWG The old functions that mapped kinds to properties all got replaced.
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GWG miklb: I just did a Twitter like test, and it worked. Odd
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miklb I'll try a new like. Was testing a repost
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GWG They should all work the same way.
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miklb hmm, now it's not saving. Maybe because it doesn't have a title or content
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GWG miklb: I tried to tackle that problem at one point.
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GWG There are rules that WordPress has about missing fields.
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miklb that one worked. Maybe something between pulls. I should still add a check for $embed to be empty in my code
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GWG miklb: Repost really should put it statically in content.
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miklb you mean not show embed?
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GWG For a future version. A repost should be in content itself.
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miklb could do that at template level, right?
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miklb it's in teh HTML, just the embed "covers" it
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GWG Yes
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martymcgui.re edited /User:Martymcgui.re (+221) "/* What Works */ update supported reply contexts" (view diff)
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miklb GWG did I read in the commit messages also have done some work on better micropub integration?
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GWG miklb: Correct
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aaronpk Hello scroll back
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GWG Hi, aaronpk
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aaronpk oh interesting
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aaronpk I didn't realize I had an aaaa record set
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aaronpk tantek: regarding whitespace, it's something to do with newline handling in the mf2 parsing
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aaronpk http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2017%2F103%2Ft2%2Fas2-micropub-w3c-prs
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aaronpk Oh wait
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2017%2F103%2Ft2%2Fas2-micropub-w3c-prs
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aaronpk it might be that I don't whitelist br tags
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GWG I'm trying to figure out an issue. WordPress requires either title or content. But a like may have neither per se.
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miklb I was wondering about that when I was testing it.
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GWG miklb: I tried to think of a solution a while back. Nothing so far.
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GWG Trying to figure out what to tackle next for these fixes.
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miklb inserting an zero width character sounds like a hack, but if done in the content…
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GWG Well, I want a way to indicate how to ignore the title. But the problem is the title is set by the theme, not by the plugin
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miklb how does the theme set the title?
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GWG It doesn't. It displays it.
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GWG So, the theme needs to decide something isn't displayable or worth marking up.
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GWG There is only so much filters and hooks can do.
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miklb well, notes do fine with no title, so comes down to how to add content for a like so you can save it.
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GWG I'm doing Micropub tests.
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GWG Fixed another one.
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GWG I need to work on the logic, and the ability to auto-fill information on Micropub posting.
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GWG If someone posts using Micropub with a URL or a URL and a name...should I parse the URL...hard decision.
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@kevinmarks @ITBeHa @badlogicgames @sirlanda @chris_koerner @rmoestl There's micropub for Update and Delete now https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#update (twitter.com/_/status/852812624743899136)
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sknebel does anyone create u-category tags via Micropub? How does your endpoint do that, do you have predefined mappings category:URL, do you check if a value is a url (then what is the displayed title?), am I missingsoething obvious
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ben_thatmustbeme sknebel: i do category via micropub, i actually do two things with it, one is categorize by person (i give a URL) or categorize by text label, so if i give it "indieweb" it checks to see if its a url and if not, assumes it needs to find and possibly create that category
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ben_thatmustbeme then it sets the URL itself
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ben_thatmustbeme on display
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ben_thatmustbeme if it is a URL, those are special types of categories, where it will look up the card on that url and display the name from there
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sknebel thanks, sounds good
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm sure there are better ways of doing it though
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aaronpk That's pretty much what I do too
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[eddie] How does it know what URL you want for “indieweb”, do you store a category cache somewhere? Or are you talking about a “Category page” like a tag page, that it creates
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aaronpk i just do tag pages
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[eddie] Ahhh, gotcha. So for doing something like IndieNews, you would give it a URL and it would grab the title from the URL?
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aaronpk yeah or for person tagging
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[eddie] Aka: Anything that is a name is internal tagging and anything that is a URL is a person or site existing tag
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[eddie] That makes sense
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[eddie] Cool ? That’s good to know. Thanks sknebel for asking about that. That’s helpful
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ben_thatmustbeme gah, it looks like i can't actually get the microformats2-ruby to do all the testing i want
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ben_thatmustbeme as it doesn't seem to want to get me a list of h-entries from under the h-feed
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ben_thatmustbeme ick, it doesn't do that at all
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ben_thatmustbeme martymcguire[m]: can confurm i suspect
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ben_thatmustbeme s/confurm/confirm/
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martymcguire[m] ben_thatmustbeme: hmm. i haven't played with the ruby mf2 gem for pulling apart h-feed, yet, just reply contexts for individual posts.
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martymcguire[m] goes to give it a shot
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aaronpk the ruby gem has a bunch of magic methods but it also has a to_hash which will just output the parsed structure
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, it doesn't work
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ben_thatmustbeme anything embedded without a property just gets lumped in to properties
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ben_thatmustbeme so it ends up ignoring the h-*
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martymcguire[m] haha oh god
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aaronpk a parser bug?
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Loqi ahaha
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martymcguire[m] it merges everything into one object
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ben_thatmustbeme getting the items[0][properties][url] gets a list of all the URLs of all the h-entries in the feed
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martymcguire[m] an "HFeed" full of the properties of its entries.
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/indieweb/microformats2-ruby
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aaronpk yeah try just dropping down to the to_hash and accessing it directly
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ben_thatmustbeme Not Implemented: nested microformat without associated property
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martymcguire[m] the to_hash is the same
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martymcguire[m] let me make a pastebin
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aaronpk oh boy
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martymcguire[m] (or just trust matrix to do the thing)
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ben_thatmustbeme so now i need to fix the parser so i can write the tests for mastodon
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ben_thatmustbeme oy
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martymcguire[m] sent a long message: martymcguire[m]_2017-04-14_15:13:56.txt - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/FCCDZtrsspMSMgvRBIOcHVwL
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martymcguire[m] that's the results of: ruby -e "require 'microformats2'; html = open('https://martymcgui.re/posts/').read; puts Microformats2.parse(html).to_hash.inspect"
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ben_thatmustbeme i have another solution for mastodon at least, i'm just looking to make sure it has the correct number of '.h-feed .h-entry' so i just use straight nokogiri for that
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aaronpk wish i had done that ages ago ^^
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk++
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ben_thatmustbeme well, i think this will do it, i have some very basic MF2 tests
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ben_thatmustbeme make sure they have the correct number of h-entries in the feed on the user page, make sure that pulling a specific entry has h-entry -> author/card -> name correct, and make sure h-entry->in-reply-to is correct
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk++ love the w3c process diagram. also congrats on the move to CR!!
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martymcguire[m] ben_thatmustbeme++ for keeping mastodon that much more indieweb-friendly
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, almost hitting 200
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martymcguire[m] ben_thatmustbeme++ for centuries' sake
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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ben_thatmustbeme rate limited!
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: may I suggest adding descriptive messages to the tests
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aaronpk so that if someone breaks it, they are quickly directed to a way to fix it
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ben_thatmustbeme probably a good idea
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme++ for centuries' sake ;)
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 1 day, 14 hours ago: are you available the evening of Friday 2017-06-23 to remote participate in an IndieWeb Leaders Summit? Add a note accordingly: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Comments
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Zegnat Leaders Summit? Interesting
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aaronpk huh... that's odd... my last tweet has a reply but it's not showing on my tweet permalink
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aaronpk but the reply context of my tweet appears on the reply's permalink
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martymcguire[m] the twitterverse is de-rezing
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aaronpk martymcguire++
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GWG miklb: I am still trying to figure out how to move Post Kinds closer to full mf2 storage.
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tantek well then, I remember when adactio was really into FFFFound
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[chrisaldrich] Someone was moving http://indiewebcamp.org/ right? It's got a quirky ICANN notice at the moment...
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tantek aaronpk: ^^^
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aaronpk Oh dear
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gRegorLove I'm having fun with regex. For some reason this isn't always returning a match: http://stackoverflow.com/a/5956635, in the <title> of https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/crock-pot-white-chicken-chili/ for example
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tantek regex is all fun and games until someone loses a backslash
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aaronpk !xkcd Regex HTML
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Loqi http://xkcd.com/1031/ http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/s_keyboard_leopard.png
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aaronpk um lol
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gRegorLove Works on other pages: https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/the-original-recipe-says-to/ I'm stripping newlines and extra spaces first.
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] The original recipe says to cook 8 to 10 hours, but I've always found it ready earlier, so I listed a shorter cooking time. I will often drain the hominy, too, so it’s less soupy. Sometimes I will serve it over rice....
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gRegorLove "Problem exists between leopard and chair" haha
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Loqi hehe
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gRegorLove Aha, had to trim() whitespace before the regex.
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gRegorLove Does u-url u-uid in an h-recipe make sense, when the original recipe is at another URL?
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gRegorLove I know it's not stricly listed as a property of h-recipe
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tantek gRegorLove: in that case are you citing or quoting from the recipe?
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tantek or reposting it?
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gRegorLove Closest would be a repost, I suppose, though I've altered it slightly.
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tantek got to ask the user-facing questions first, before jumping to plumbing decisions (because the first always affects the second)
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tantek that sounds like an edit!
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gRegorLove what is edit
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Loqi An edit (AKA diff, change) is a special type of reply that indicates a set of suggested changes to the post it is replying to. A collection of (presumably related) suggested edits in open source is often called a patch or pull request https://indieweb.org/edit
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tantek did you intend it as a fork (your own) or an edit you'd intend to push upstream if they accepted it?
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gRegorLove fork
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tantek what is a fork?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fork" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove it's what you consume an h-recipe with :D
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aaronpk lol
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tantek a fork is a special type of reply that is similar to an [[edit]] except with the expectation of diverging from the original rather than suggesting changes to it, and is also like a [[repost]] in that a fork displays most or all of the original likely with its changes made inline. IndieWeb Examples: https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/the-original-recipe-says-to/
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loqi.me created /fork (+385) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] The original recipe says to cook 8 to 10 hours, but I've always found it ready earlier, so I listed a shorter cooking time. I will often drain the hominy, too, so it’s less soupy. Sometimes I will serve it over rice....
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[kevinmarks] What is html regex?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "html regex" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[kevinmarks] html regex is using regex to parse HTML has doomed humanity to an eternity of dread torture and security holes using regex as a tool to process HTML establishes a breach between this world and the dread realm of c͒ͪo͛ͫrrupt entities (like SGML entities, but more corrupt) a mere glimpse of the world of reg​ex parsers for HTML will ins​tantly transport a programmer's consciousness into a world of ceaseless screaming, he comes, the pes
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[kevinmarks] regex-infection wil​l devour your HT​ML parser, application and existence for all time like Visual Basic only worse he comes he comes do not fi​ght he com̡e̶s, ̕h̵i​s un̨ho͞ly radiańcé destro҉ying all enli̍̈́̂̈́ghtenment, HTML tags lea͠ki̧n͘g fr̶ǫm ̡yo​͟ur eye͢s̸ ̛l̕ik͏e liq​uid pain, the song of re̸gular exp​ression parsing will exti​nguish the voices of mor​tal man from the sp​here I can see
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] cackles
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gRegorLove What the
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gRegorLove To be clear, I'm using regex on plain text. I'm not *that* insane. :)
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