#dev 2017-04-30

2017-04-30 UTC
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gregorlove.com edited /repost (+129) "/* gRegor Morrill */" (view diff)
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F57CVGY2K/screenshot_2017-04-29_20.39.34.png?pub_secret=10608923e2&name=Screenshot 2017-04-29 20.39.34.png
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[eddie] Drop the ?
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[eddie] Phew ? It’s coming along nicely
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aaronpk ooo
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aaronpk man i gotta fix the CSS on that
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[eddie] Haha yeah, mobile is a bit funky
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk i swear it doesn't look like that in the browser normally
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[eddie] Not desktop. My iPhone does that when I log into Teacup
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miklb [eddie]++
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aaronpk i made indieauth.com so long ago. that's probably apparent from the version of bootstrap it uses
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[eddie] Heh, yep
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[kevinmarks] bootstrap 2?
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miklb electric boogaloo
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gRegorLove miklb++ haha
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Loqi gRegorLove: lol
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@karenbwill RT @ReadersGazette BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 2 (twitter.com/_/status/858551349742579715)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+199) "/* Libraries */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+251) "Completed! (linked 100th posts from completed projects)" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, do you have micropub impl reports for microblog iOS client and the micro.blog service?
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aaronpk i don't think manton has actually submitted one yet
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tantek he did seem interested in passing the tests in that prev conv
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aaronpk yeah, and he's used micropub.rocks while developing it
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aaronpk i see in-progress tests
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tantek ooh cool
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tantek are you able to use Quill with micro.blog?
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aaronpk i believe so!
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aaronpk i dont have a hosted microblog account, so i cant actually try it myself
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tantek you don't have aaronpk.micro.blog?
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aaronpk i somehow do, but that was from back when it was snippets.today
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[eddie] When someone does ?days of indieweb, is there some expectation that the days are consecutive? Non-consecutive but within the same year? No expectation of time?
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tantek eddie - I think 100days projects in general are expected to be consecutive
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GWG I considered doing one that would account for a day of rest.
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[eddie] That's what my assumption was, but was curious in verifying thought around here
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[eddie] GWG: that's an interesting approach
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GWG But still the idea is that you don't just pick it up when you can.
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tantek the "How to" starts with "* every day"
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tantek so that seems pretty clear - consecutive
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GWG If there is no challenge, there is no point
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tantek right
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[eddie] ?
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tantek eddie, also from http://the100dayproject.com/ "Pick a start date -- and an ending date 100 days later. Then do one thing a day for 100 days (mornings are especially good). "
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tantek that seems pretty definitively consecutive as well
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tantek I'll update the dfn
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[eddie] Yeah that is a good clarification point
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[eddie] No way around the "ending date 100 days later"
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tantek yeah
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GWG So if I impose a rest day, I would need to double post elsewhere
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aaronpk for me the challenge was to actually work on something every day, so I didn't let myself do a "rest day" or "catchup day"
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tantek.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+635) "clarify consecutive, blockquote from 100dayproject, note flexibilities used for 100DoPP" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - yeah, no intentional rest days. just did catch-up days because I'd rather be flexible than give up.
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tantek I have go back and analyze the time I had to do either posting after midnight or catch-up to see if there was any pattern or context
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tantek times*
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tantek what is 100DaysOfIndieWeb
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Loqi 100DaysOfIndieWeb is a challenge to ship something IndieWeb-related every day for 100 days https://indieweb.org/100DaysOfIndieWeb
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[eddie] So every Micropub server requires support for form-encoded requests. Some clients include JSON requests. I am a fan of JSON, but just wondering if it is documented the logic of when and where to use JSON over form-encoded since it is supported across the board?
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[eddie] I read through /Micropub and /Micropub/Clients
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[eddie] But didn't see any compare/contrast logic
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sknebel [eddie]: some things can only be expressed in JSON
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sknebel notably, html-content
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[eddie] Ohhhh that makes sense
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sknebel or edits
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aaronpk or any nested objects, like how checkins include a nested h-card
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sknebel aaronpk: on https://micropub.rocks/implementation-reports/servers/, is test 27 correct? "Uploading a photo to the Media Endpoint and using the resulting URL when creating a post" is framed like a client thing, and it is checked for servers that don't *have* an media endpoint as well? (if that's nr 10)
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sknebel or I'm completely misreading that table
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[eddie] Thats good to know. I'm about finished with the Swift-IndieAuth library and Swift-RelLinkParser library, and have IndieAuth completely working in Indigenous. So that means this week, I'll be moving onto either mf2 or Micropub or both. So trying to get a better understanding of them.
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KartikPrabhu what is swift?
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Loqi Swift is a language developed by Apple that is primarily used on iOS and macOS but has recently become Open Source and available on other platforms as well https://indieweb.org/Swift
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tantek neat!
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aaronpk sknebel: servers get a checkbox there if they allow URLs for the photo property at all, which i think is a minor mistake in the test
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sknebel ok
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KartikPrabhu what's a good way to store published/edited datetimes in a mf2+HTML file storage?
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KartikPrabhu as in store the UTC time and a timezone offset
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tantek HTML: use <time>
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tantek mf2: use the appropriate property for the semantic, e.g. dt-published, dt-updated for published/edited
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes, that is fine. I am wondering if I should store the UTC time and store the offset separately or directly store the local time?
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tantek date-time syntax itself, pick the most human readable / verifiable version
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tantek IMO that means author's *local* time with expicit offset to UTC
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tantek and yes that's what I do in my storage files, using Pacific time because that's my default time zone
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KartikPrabhu cool got it
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tantek UTC is actually worse for quick human verification unless you happen to live in Iceland or on the ISS.
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sknebel that's how I do it, with the addition that I also use named timezones instead of offsets
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sknebel if I write it by hand
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tantek sknebel - danger there! http://tantek.com/2015/218/b1/use-timezone-offsets
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Why You Should Use Timezone Offsets Not Timezone Names
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sknebel tantek: any good library handling named timezones uses the IANA tz database, and thus handles DST, changes in timezones etc just fine?
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tantek sknebel, that's a variant of the "tools will solve the problem" falsehood
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tantek I for one would rather not depend on a library just for time value parsing
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tantek.com edited /reacji (+123) "/* Facebook */ add list of actual six emoji and text equivalents" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed, https://indieweb.org/reacji#Facebook. Figured I might as well document the explicit list in case helps with the reactions bug you're seeing
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tantek.com edited /events/2016 (+65) "/* September */ xoxo related link" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] What is a time zone?
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[kevinmarks] Hmm. What are time zones?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "time zone" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a tz
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tz" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a timezone
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Loqi timezones are a way to create dependencies in your code on legislative bodies in countries you have never heard of[1] https://indieweb.org/timezone
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tantek tz is timezone
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /tz (+42) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Spaces
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tantek time zone is timezone
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loqi.me created /time_zone (+49) "prompted by [kevinmarks] and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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sknebel sigh
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[kevinmarks] That applies to named timezones particularly
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[kevinmarks] My favourite example of this was my friend who runs a big network setting up a war room to deal with the us government moving daylight savings time transition a few years back. Her attempts to schedule it failed because Microsoft Outlook rejected meetings that spanned the dst change.
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GWG I hate DST
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F562GJHK2/indieauthios.gif?pub_secret=0a16692ccc&name=IndieAuthiOS.gif
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[eddie] Yes!
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[eddie] Got Token Response
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[eddie] create
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[eddie] eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOi-------------------------------------------(end of token is blocked)
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[eddie] Next Stop: Micropub!
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KartikPrabhu timezones are hard :(
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tantek eddie++ nice work! looks like that IndieAuth.com "pick a provider" screen could use some better responsive layout ;)
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