#dev 2017-06-05

2017-06-05 UTC
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tantek good evening #indieweb-dev
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tantek is watching the IWC DUS IndieAuth session
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mblaney hi tantek
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tantek o/ mblaney
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tantek is better understanding IndieAuth protocol vs site :)
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tantek what is authorization
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "authorization" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hmm
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tantek what is authorization process
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "authorization process" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is login
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/login
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tantek ah, that's a deliberate redirect, cool
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+27) "does not use Persona any more (hasn't for a while)" (view diff)
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aaronpk Huh we don't have a page on authorization, but we have one on incremental authorization https://indieweb.org/incremental_authorization
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tantek heh
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tantek what is IndieAuthProtocol?
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Loqi IndieAuth for login is a user flow and protocol for web applications to implement user login via an authorization server https://indieweb.org/IndieAuthProtocol
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tantek should that be login or sign-in?
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tantek what is authorization_endpoint
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "authorization_endpoint" yet. Would you like to create it?
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2017/Berlin (+35) "h-event?" (view diff)
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aaronpk login == signin
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aaronpk it's debatable which is a better term
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@WendyandCharles ReadersGazette: BLOG Indie Author Answers by Jim Heskett http://www.thejugglingauthor.com/indieauth/ Get help writing your book #bookbloggers 12 (twitter.com/_/status/871583642014941184)
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@spotthehall @datenstromse @eli_oat Thanks ? Working (slowly) on webmentions & micropub, whilst keeping my geotagging. I’ll let you know how I get on… (twitter.com/_/status/871630026395070464)
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petermolnar question: in HTML, you have labels. which have 'for' to point at the input field they are added for. I was wondering if I somehow can represent a similar correlation between a block of EXIF towards an image. Any suggestions?
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[kevinmarks] What's the exif stored in? Its usually inside the image file
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myfreeweb heh my media endpoint pulls out exif data into json, but i don't display it yet. planning to do a 500px style camera/lens/aperture/shutterspeed display for photos. and yeah would be nice to have semantic markup for that
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myfreeweb btw petermolnar: your webmention endpoint doesn't seem to work. FileNotFoundError 'No such file or directory: '/web/petermolnar.net/petermolnar.net/commen
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myfreeweb ts/8a0b141ce056511ac8a99bf0535356b31b96efcc/.md''
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petermolnar checking
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petermolnar whoops
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petermolnar thanks
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petermolnar [kevinmarks] I'm displaying EXIF in a div, in an ul at the moment, planning to make it a definition list instead
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loqi.me edited /bookmark (+34) "[kevinmarks] added "http://blog.del.icio.us/?p=1204" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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@Inkwater_Masha 7 foolproof design tips to crush your book cover design http://www.creativindie.com/7-foolproof-design-tips-to-crush-your-book-cover-design/?platform=hootsuite #coverdesign #indieauth #selfpub (twitter.com/_/status/871714571337248769)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /splatter (+135) (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:delicious export.PNG]]""
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loqi.me created /WWDC (+174) "prompted by petermolnar and dfn added by [eddie]" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Delicious (+882) "data export" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /PlanetPlanet (+97) "prompted by eli_oat and dfn added by eli_oat" (view diff)
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eli.li edited /PlanetPlanet (+2) "corrected a terrible typo of my own making" (view diff)
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[eddie] aaronpk (or anyone else that uses Telegraph alot): I’m trying to semi-automate bridgy publish by including the bridgy publish links for facebook and twitter in my post and then use Telegraph to send manu webmentions to them, however Telegraph isn’t detecting the urls.
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[eddie] Bridgy doesn’t recommend any mf markup, just including the links: <a href=“https://brid.gy/publish/facebook“></a>
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[eddie] So I have those in the post, but Telegraph doesn’t find them
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tantek checks his source for that
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tantek eddie, try www. variants, e.g. https://www.brid.gy/publish/facebook
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tantek that's what I use on my post permalinks
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tantek in order to enable Bridgy Publish. e.g. <a href="https://www.brid.gy/publish/facebook"></a>
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[eddie] Thanks tantek, I’ll try that ?
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loqi.me created /microformats-ruby (+327) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek what is IndieCert?
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Loqi IndieCert is a service to authenticate to services around the web without using usernames and passwords https://indieweb.org/indiecert
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tantek.com moved /indiecert to /IndieCert "canonical CamelCase"
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sebsel [eddie] I use the brid.gy link without www., and that works, so I don't know if that's the solution
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[eddie] sebsel: Yeah I just finished trying that… didn’t work ?
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[eddie] sebsel: Do you use Telegraph’s UI to send your webmentions?
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sebsel [eddie] No, so I can't help you on that part, unfortunately :(
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tantek I send my own webmentions also
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[eddie] Ahhh okay
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[eddie] It must be something odd in the Telegraph UI when it searches for links
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[eddie] I’ll try tweaking the links a little and see if I can get it to recognize ?
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[eddie] Thanks for the brainstorming help guys ?
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tantek np!
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tantek I found and fixed some out of date references to Persona (since it has been closed down for 6 months) - but could use help checking remaining references
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tantek easy wiki gardening help if you have a few minutes: check https://indieweb.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Persona and make sure all the references are still "accurate" (as in historical only) as of now
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sebsel [eddie] I see Telegraph uses indieweb/mention-client-php, and first parses for Mf2. your link is just on the page somewhere, so I guess it should be inside of an mf2 property
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[eddie] ahhh okay
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sebsel from my quick read of the code :)
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[eddie] That makes sense, Thanks! Definitely helps me understand what is likely going on
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tantek mine was inside an h-entry but not on any uf2 property so that's interesting
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sebsel tantek but you don't use Telegraph, right?
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[eddie] tantek: Telegraph UI Url Discovery is the issue, not bridgy
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tantek correct I don't use Telegraph
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sebsel It makes sense of Telegraph not to include all links, because then every page in [eddie]'s menu would be there, and this footerlinks. You don't want to send webmentions to those.
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sebsel Bridgy just looks at the whole page
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[eddie] Thanks sebsel! It works! I made a fake mf2 u- property: u-publish-to and it appears in Telegraph!
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[eddie] Just in time for WWDC too! ?
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[eddie] (starts in 4 minutes)
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tantek lol that's pretty funny eddie
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tantek maybe make it bridgy specific? e.g. u-bridgy-publish-to
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[eddie] tantek: good idea!
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tantek just to reduce the chance of someone thinking 'publish-to' is an actual proposed property :)
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[eddie] definitely!
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[eddie] haha
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Loqi awesome
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sebsel i called my field to store the bridgy-url 'syndicate-to', which is what Quill gives me in the old pre-'mp-syndicate-to' fashion
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sebsel and when sending the webmention, I catch the location header, add that to the 'syndication' field, and delete the 'syndicate-to'
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tantek oh interesting
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tantek what is syndicate-to
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Loqi syndicate-to is https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#syndication-targets https://indieweb.org/syndicate-to
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tantek heh
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sebsel yeah, it's from Micropub
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sebsel but that's probably not really a good linked explanation
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sebsel what is mp-syndicate-to?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mp-syndicate-to" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sebsel mp-syndicate-to is a property in a [[Micropub]] request, giving the server the command to syndicate the received h-entry to the specified [[silo]]
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /mp-syndicate-to (+174) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
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sebsel meh, feel free to improve.
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tantek sebsel, maybe move existing content from /syndicate-to ?
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seblog.nl edited /mp-syndicate-to (+169) (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /syndicate-to (-71) "redirected to mp-syndicate-to" (view diff)
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sebsel something like that
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gregorlove.com edited /Micropub (+21) "/* h-entry */ link mp-syndicate-to" (view diff)
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tantek What were RSS and Atom wars?
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tantek What was RSS and Atom wars?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "RSS and Atom wars" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what was RSS Atom wars?
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Loqi The RSS Atom wars (or syndication wars) were a toxic plumbing debate about the merits of using Atom vs RSS that dragged-in and distracted numerous high level web technologists from 2003-2007 while social silos (Facebook, Flickr, Twitter, etc.) emerged, rapidly innovated UX, and thus gained popular adoption https://indieweb.org/RSS_Atom_wars
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tantek RSS and Atom wars is /RSS_Atom_wars
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /RSS_and_Atom_wars (+26) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek what is RSS in JSON
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Loqi RSS in JSON appears to be an occasional standards meme that pops up every few years with a new attempt at putting RSS into JSON, or defining a JSON feed file format to replace RSS https://indieweb.org/RSS_in_JSON
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tantek RSS Atom wars << RSS in JSON
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loqi.me edited /RSS_Atom_wars (+18) "tantek added "[[RSS in JSON]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[[RSS in JSON]]" to the "See Also" section of /RSS_Atom_wars
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tantek snarfed, feel free to add to /RSS_in_JSON :)
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[kevinmarks] What about the rss rss wars? Should that be a separate page, or earlier in that timeline?
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/3593
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Loqi [dissolve] #3593 Subscribe to h-feeds directly
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ben_thatmustbeme continues quietly poking the social web for things
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Zegnat I think I would keep that on /RSS_Atom_wars, [kevinmarks].
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gRegorLove Is RSS RSS wars like between 1.0 and 2.0?
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gRegorLove Or 0.9234, whatever it was
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gRegorLove when is next-iwc?
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit is on 2017-06-24 at Mozilla https://indieweb.org/next-iwc
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gRegorLove when is IWS?
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit is on 2017-06-24 at Mozilla https://indieweb.org/IWS
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gRegorLove Uh, that's weird.
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gRegorLove No changes to the page but it just started working
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sknebel Loqi, do you dislike Zegnat?
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gRegorLove Zegnat ^
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sknebel When is IWS?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IWS
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Zegnat I think Loqi still hates me for my inaccessible website :p
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sknebel when is IWS?
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit is on 2017-06-24 at Mozilla https://indieweb.org/IWS
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sknebel ehhmm
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sknebel when vs When?!
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Zegnat ...
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gRegorLove Haha
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Zegnat when is IWS?
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit is on 2017-06-24 at Mozilla https://indieweb.org/IWS
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gRegorLove When is next-hwc
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Loqi gRegorLove: lol
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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Zegnat When is IWS?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IWS
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gRegorLove Yep!
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gRegorLove case-sensitive
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Zegnat Hahaha, paging aaronpk!
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gRegorLove !tell aaronpk Apparently Loqi's "when is" is case-sensitive. Only returns the link with "When is..."
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel !tell aaronpk: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-06-05#t1496692265564000
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [sknebel] when vs When?!
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gRegorLove Hehe
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sknebel Loqi needs a "file your bug on yourself" command
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gRegorLove Something something regex two problems
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gRegorLove gives Loqi the bug report
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Loqi enjoys the bug report
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Zegnat hahaha
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ben_thatmustbeme Loqi << bug: loqi's "when is" is case-sensitive. Only returns the link with "When is..."
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loqi.me edited /Loqi (+83) "ben_thatmustbeme added "bug: loqi's "when is" is case-sensitive. Only returns the link with "When is..."" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "bug: loqi's "when is" is case-sensitive. Only returns the link with "When is..."" to the "See Also" section of /Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme can just do it that way so at least its recorded somewhere
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sebsel_ what is a bug?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bug" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /User:Ben.thatmustbe.me () "(-1734) add notes for myself" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me created /Splatter (+22) "case sensativity, blah" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Aw, no more DDR?
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gRegorLove Guess having kids will do that.
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /User:Ben.thatmustbe.me (+3) "/* Postly */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme gRegorLove: i never play anymore
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ben_thatmustbeme too busy
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gRegorLove I am glad you're still crazy, though
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ben_thatmustbeme never stop being that
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ben_thatmustbeme having 2 year old twin girls just intensifies it
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/cote/status/871749176572248064
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@cote Now that RSS has been spec'ed over the JSON, I look forward to the nerds redoing it over in yaml in 3 to 5 years. (twitter.com/_/status/871749176572248064)
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gRegorLove Glad we're ahead of the curve
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Zegnat I could not resist https://twitter.com/martijnvdven/status/871829936826449920
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@martijnvdven @cote Way ahead of you. https://indieweb.org/YAMLFeed (twitter.com/_/status/871829936826449920)
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ben_thatmustbeme lol
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017/Leaders (+19) "/* Remote Participation */ Add myself." (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /2017/Leaders (+14) "/* Remote Participation */" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /2017 (+81) "/* Remote Participation */ Add exact timezone." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+49) "/* Semi-Monthly */ regular cycle, and semi-monthly is inaccurate, e.g. we just had 3 in May of 2017. Fortnightly it is, since bi-weekly confuses people (2x a week or 1/2weeks)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+149) "/* Monthly */ usually first Wednesday" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+29) "/* Birmingham */ "last Wednesday of the month" from their site!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-06-07-homebrew-website-club () "(-2930) only PDX this week, rm others just to make page editing easier. hopefully that will make it obvious this is *not* a page to clone (except if first W of the month is again on an "off" week from the fortnightly HWCs)" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-164) "/* Monthly */ London removed from monthly" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+148) "/* Fortnightly */ London added, tommorris removed from organizers not active at any meetings for +6 months" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-changes (+50) "explicit stub, dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Tumblr (+721) "/* Criticisms */ Involuntary Identity Reassignment with example from Why" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /why (-5) "/* Identity loss */ site-changes has more info, not the info here, reframe accordingly" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club (+7) "HWC SF confirmed next week @MozSF" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club (-3) "no commas in headings (cause ugly URLs) and no "new" in headings either." (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+114) "/* Beforehand */ optionally add to /Upcoming.org or others" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club (+129) "/* Baltimore MD */ no HWC Jun 14th. meeting again Jun 28th." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /expenses (+187) "explicit stub, dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /expenses (+15) "dfn try 2" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club (+183) "/* Bellingham WA */ details, rsvp" (view diff)
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gRegorLove tantek: Does 2017-06-14 look good to clone to the 28th?
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tantek yes! now with the cleaner city subheads
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tantek Am I the only one around here who cares about clean subhead URLs?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4ohriQfJ.jpg
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gRegorLove Not sure what you mean by clean subhead URLs?
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tantek when you put commas, other puncts in subheads, the frag URLs for them look like gibberish due to URL encoding
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tantek what is URL design
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Loqi URL design is the practice of deliberately designing URLs, in particular, permalinks, typically for a better UX for everyone who creates, reads, and shares content https://indieweb.org/URL_design
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loqi.me created /auth0 (+82) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+183) "/* October */ MozFest, CFP open, jsdr link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created //events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+8446) "stub based on 2017-06-14" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Ah, right. Yes, I prefer those cleaner fragments
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tantek.com edited /Events (-14) "May is done!" (view diff)
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gRegorLove oops, extra slash in that page. Tricky.
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gregorlove.com moved //events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club to /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club "extra slash"
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[kevinmarks] Hm, is that a Firefox quirk? Chrome and safari display the escaped urls decoded AFAIK
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tantek.com edited /social_media (+556) "Criticism subheads, Harms Productivity" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I think it's how the installed MediaWiki version generates the links. The decoded versions may still work, though.
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tantek kevinmarks, no it's a plain text quirk, you know for all the times you copy/paste URLs into IM, email etc,
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loqi.me created /? (+15) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-06-14-homebrew-website-club (+5) "SF emoji (foggy GGB)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /SF (+15) "emojicon" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2017-06-28-homebrew-website-club (+5) "/* San Francisco */ ?" (view diff)
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tantek reads https://ietf.org/newcomers.html as another example of a "Getting Started" page
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gregorlove.com edited /jsonfeed (+246) "/* Reader Support */ generalized heading to Software Support, +jsonfeed2twitter" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com moved /jsonfeed to /JSON_Feed "canonical capitalization per jsonfeed.org"