#dev 2017-06-28
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Loqi exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indieweb.org/exercise
# Loqi exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indieweb.org/running
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bicycling" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indieweb.org/bicycle
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tantek raucao: capture some specific strava examples and perhaps add more description here: https://indieweb.org/bicycle#Strava
# tantek also https://indieweb.org/Strava#Features could use some help
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raucao here's a full example of the raw data for anyone who's interested: https://gist.github.com/skddc/f4868b0aeac1f1ee152ec98d47d72105
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gRegorLove Indie Tech Rocks << [[2017/indietechrocks]]
# Loqi ok, I added "[[2017/indietechrocks]]" to the "See Also" section of /Indie_Tech_Rocks
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ben_thatmustbeme yay, jf2feed is an accepted mime type
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KartikPrabhu eddiehinkle: oops, I accidentally sent you a webmention and your own reply showed up in your post: https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/06/27/6/reply/
# KartikPrabhu sorry about that
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# KartikPrabhu what is accessibility?
# Loqi Accessibility is the practice of designing so that people with disabilities can have equal access to information and functionality, applicable to both websites as well as physical environments https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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# KartikPrabhu yeah, i don't know if I do this either :P
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# gRegorLove Loqi?
# gRegorLove gives Loqi some chat logs
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petermolnar it's a biased opinion to decide which sports are acceptable, of course it's a valid criticism
# petermolnar as if running is superios to skateboarding
# KartikPrabhu sleeping is the best
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[kevinmarks] Hah, Google Fit decided that a cab ride in London was cycling.
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# petermolnar [kevinmarks] with all the excitement you get from a cab ride in London you may as well burn the same amount of calories
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# petermolnar huh, the first time ever I'm glad to find json-ld on a page
# petermolnar scraping pinterest is possible
# petermolnar there's only one json-ld entry per pin site which lists the image, the title, the description and the pubdata
# petermolnar date
# petermolnar which is quite useful
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# petermolnar they don't display per pin pages
# petermolnar all the per pin pages include a lot of other stuff
# petermolnar and the html is not marked up according to the 'main' pin
# petermolnar thus the ld data
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# [kevinmarks] They want Google searches to find them
# petermolnar checking if they have an amp version
# petermolnar it's also exposed via twitter and og meta - and yes there is an amp version
# petermolnar which does display the main pin as main pin
# petermolnar unlike the html
# petermolnar geez, pinterest is fubar
# Loqi Pinterest is a visual bookmark hosting silo where users "pin" (bookmark), or "repin" (repost a bookmark of) a page with a specific image from that page to a "pinboard" (named bookmark collection) and follow other users and/or pinboards created by others https://indieweb.org/Pinterest
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petermolnar.net uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:pinterest-full-page-overlay.png]]""
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[eddie] !tell voxpelli: Does this look right for the queryHandler function for node-micropub-express? https://gist.github.com/EdwardHinkle/4186058ee30db1932eef6165b478a9b8 micropub.rocks is showing that I have no object returned
# Loqi voxpelli: [eddie] left you a message 4 minutes ago: Does this look right for the queryHandler function for node-micropub-express? https://gist.github.com/EdwardHinkle/4186058ee30db1932eef6165b478a9b8 micropub.rocks is showing that I have no object returned
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voxpelli else it should be fine and be returning that value, see code here: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-micropub-express/blob/fb5b2d22089426659ef087ba4ce4a278171c64a6/index.js#L345
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (-19) "/* Virtual HWC European time */" (view diff)
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ben.thatmustbe.me edited /Virtual_HWC (+84) "/* Google Hangouts */ supposedly no longer requires an account." (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] What is together?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "together" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Kongaloosh :o someone implemented an rss feed for me and made a pull-request to my indieblog!
# Kongaloosh so cool
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# [cleverdevil] So, are there any tools out there to generate JF2-formatted feeds from properly microformat2 websites?
# ben_thatmustbeme i had started to do it, i need to update
# [cleverdevil] Preferably, Python, but I'd settle for anything ?
# ben_thatmustbeme thats out of date though
# [cleverdevil] unmung may do the trick.
# [cleverdevil] Hmm... maybe not, though.
# ben_thatmustbeme i've started work on a validator for JF2, and test set
# [cleverdevil] Also, no docs no docs makes me sad.
# ben_thatmustbeme stream.thatmustbe.us will be soon after that
# ben_thatmustbeme for example
# [cleverdevil] Nice.
# ben_thatmustbeme source code for it
# [cleverdevil] Gonna whip together a script for /together
# ben_thatmustbeme again, hasn't been updated in some time, so it would definitely need some review
# ben_thatmustbeme what is together?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "together" yet. Would you like to create it?
# [cleverdevil] Just want to make something that can dump a bunch of sample JF2 data out onto disk.
# [cleverdevil] For the purposes of our prototype
# [cleverdevil] Hmm, I thought I just created it.
# [cleverdevil] together is https://indieweb.org/together
# [cleverdevil] what is together?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "together" yet. Would you like to create it?
# [cleverdevil] WTF.
# ben_thatmustbeme what is Together?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Together" yet. Would you like to create it?
# ben_thatmustbeme hmm, aaronpk, looks like a loqi bug
# ben_thatmustbeme [cleverdevil]: if you collect a good collection of sample JF2, please PR for it here https://github.com/dissolve/jf2_validator/tree/master/samples
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loqi.me edited /Virtual_HWC (+72) "sknebel added "<aaronpk> this looks pretty good for virtual HWC https://meet.jit.si/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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# tantek ooh I spot improvements in webmention.io - it now recognizes existence of p-rsvp: https://webmention.io/api/links.jf2?target=http://tantek.com/2017/179/e1/homebrew-website-club (but still needs to parse / show the rsvp value itself)
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# loqi.me created /retweet_with_comment (+63) "prompted by sebsel and dfn added by sebsel" (view diff)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "quotation-of" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "u-quotation-of" yet. Would you like to create it?
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CozyCloud" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Cozy Cloud" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Cozy" yet. Would you like to create it?
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# ben_thatmustbeme so you are saying if it validates that the vouch is actually for the u-url not the target
# ben_thatmustbeme err source
# ben_thatmustbeme yeah, if you display vouches, thats true
# ben_thatmustbeme but honestly, i feel like you shouldn't display vouch links
# ben_thatmustbeme i don't see the benefit
# ben_thatmustbeme well what is a vouch defining then?
# ben_thatmustbeme its supposed to be the equivalent of "this is how you know me"
# ben_thatmustbeme "me" is the site posting, not the content
# ben_thatmustbeme but its also the case that right now, anyone could somewhat spoof a post from anyone else
# ben_thatmustbeme no, 'me" is bridgy in that case
# ben_thatmustbeme here is why you can trust me, and here is a reply that someone posted to you
# ben_thatmustbeme snarfed, it sounds like another layer after vouch though
# ben_thatmustbeme vouch is getting the webmention, you are talking about trusting the contents
# ben_thatmustbeme indeed, there is not
# gRegorLove is quite confused
# snarfed ok concrete example. https://brid.gy/comment/twitter/aaronpk/686998035889455104/699605447414804480
# ben_thatmustbeme there are several parts, 1) should i accept that you are not a spammer and have something i will want to look at. 2) should I accept messages from that user? 3) is this actually from that user?
# ben_thatmustbeme so vouch does #1
# ben_thatmustbeme you are talking more like #2)
# ben_thatmustbeme that sounds like 1.5 :P
# snarfed ie it could make it actually usable for tantek. :P (see https://brid.gy/twitter/t#responses )
# gRegorLove I'm looking at that concrete example's mf2. What next? "Find a vouch URL for the u-url https://twitter.com/luxagraf/status/699605447414804480" ?
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@luxagraf @aaronpk writing a little piece on this, wondered if you might have a minute to answer a couple quick questions later today? (twitter.com/_/status/699605447414804480)
# ben_thatmustbeme okay 1) can i trust the sending site (vouch) 2) can i trust the sending user 3) is this actually from that user
# ben_thatmustbeme to be a bit clearer in the writing
# ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: one solution would be if all syndicated copies from a source were under the same url path (is that the case now)
# snarfed ...but that's not really very useful. ideally we'd let him check a link path from http://aaronparecki.com/ => vouch => twitter.com/luxagraf
# gRegorLove Got it.
# ben_thatmustbeme then vouch needs to know about only accepting vouches for certain paths
# ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i think it would have to be
# ben_thatmustbeme then you would need some sort of scoping for vouches too
# ben_thatmustbeme which isn't so easy
# ben_thatmustbeme lets look at the case of a multi-user known install
# ben_thatmustbeme its similar
# ben_thatmustbeme maybe you look at the author of the post, and go about it that way
# ben_thatmustbeme so vouch is only getting the webmention in, but then you need some sort of person-vouch for getting the actual comment through?
# gRegorLove For vouch verification, how about if the intermediate site (bridgy) doesn't match the vouch URL, check if the intermediary has an h-entry.u-url that matches
# ben_thatmustbeme yeah, its spoofable as well
# ben_thatmustbeme it becomes a question of what domains can post data on my behalf?
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Zegnat Here is an example: https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmicroformats.org%2F2017%2F06%2F22%2Fimproving-the-php-mf2-parser the post is on microformats.org, but the author is gregorlove.com . So if I trust microformats.org, I now want to know if I trust gregorlove.com as an author. Question: how does gregorlove.com let me know he ever publis
# ben_thatmustbeme i mean, really i suppose i shouldn't be trusting the content at all from brid.gy and should fetch the source material (except that i can't)
# gRegorLove Zegnat: the syndication link?
# ben_thatmustbeme if you can find the original (what if its not linked?)
# gRegorLove Yeah it is
# gRegorLove "Originally published at" on the obttom
# gRegorLove Vouch links don't have to be in mf2, afaik
# gRegorLove Oh, I think I understand. Yes, you cannot do /OPD from my microformats.org post
# ben_thatmustbeme i think vouch only tries to determine, 'does this domain seem trustworthy', after that it comes down to the fact that its possible to spoof messages, but they would likely get blocked pretty quickly
# ben_thatmustbeme waves to snarfed
# ben_thatmustbeme did the author actually write this is a headache that people dive directly in to crypto, etc
# ben_thatmustbeme can be pretty annoying
# gRegorLove What about https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-06-28#t1498676379361000? I guess it adds a lot of overhead for truly-faked vouch URLs if the next step is to check for h-entry.u-url though.
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# ben_thatmustbeme not sure i understand that?
# gRegorLove Right, Zegnat.
# gRegorLove How?
# ben_thatmustbeme you don't trust the domain posting at all
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jkphl.is uploaded /File:hwc-nue-20170628.jpg "Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg 2017-06-28"
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "stopping me to put the u-url as an article on your site gRegorLove" yet. Would you like to create it?
# gRegorLove Ah, ok
# gRegorLove I'm still hazy on this the more I think about it. Think I'll step away for a bit. :)
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# vanderven.se martijn uploaded /File:2017-179-hwc-virtual-eu.jpg "Screenshot taken of the Virtual Homebrew Website Club on 2017-06-28.From upper left corner going clockwise:
{{martijnvdven}}, {{sebsel}}, {{dougbeal}}, {{calumryan}}, {{petermolnar}}, {{barryf}}.Missing: {{lukasrosenstock}} who left because of technical difficulties."# 
@martijnvdven @randw With @W3C specs like #Micropub https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ building on them, not to mention… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/880145805973352448 (twitter.com/_/status/880145805973352448)
# ben_thatmustbeme now i'm more intersted in validating that someone is the author of something
# ben_thatmustbeme without going the gpg signing route
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# Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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cweiske dougbeal, http://slides.aaronparecki.com/2016/my-8-year-old-bot/#/ is interesting
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dfn" yet. Would you like to create it?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dfn" yet. Would you like to create it?
# sknebel dougbeal: it's actually in HTML https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Web/HTML/Element/dfn
# sknebel aaronpk: why doesn't Loqi find https://indieweb.org/dfn ?
# Loqi WP is an abbreviation that may mean Wikipedia or WordPress https://indieweb.org/WP
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# gRegorLove The plugin for the wiki that wraps dfn in p-summary automatically isn't working for /dfn. Probably a regex thing
# gRegorLove what is dfn?
# Loqi The HTML dfn tag is a way to denote the first time a term is defined https://indieweb.org/dfn
# gRegorLove What is dfn
# Loqi The HTML dfn tag is a way to denote the first time a term is defined https://indieweb.org/dfn
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@fredho02 oh @marcthiele suchte gerade deine webmentions in deinem Artikel als Demo für intern.. schwups weg. Reminder: nächstes Mal Video ^^ (twitter.com/_/status/880185958183964672)
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# gRegorLove Hmm, something up with -dev logs again?
# gRegorLove They stop at 14:29 for me and "jump to bottom" link doesn't work. Ran into it yesterday too. https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-06-28#t1498685391133000
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# gRegorLove Though today when I look at yesterday's logs, they're there.
# Loqi mo’ <meta>, mo’ problems -- https://twitter.com/t/profile_imageTantek Çelik, 2015-01-23 https://indieweb.org/meta
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "#dev" yet. Would you like to create it?
# gRegorLove Will check. I have Pacific selected.
# gRegorLove Though weird it only affects -dev for me, same timezone selected on others and they're current.
# gRegorLove Huh. Switched to GMT, saw newer entries, switched back to US/Pacific and now they're there too
# gRegorLove In other dev topics, micropub question: Thoughts on whether bookpub (micropub client for books) should assemble an HTML e-content, or just send through the h-cite + properties, with a plain text summary property as a fallback? This is the e-content HTML I was playing with generating in the mp client: http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20170628224458208
# gRegorLove Do any other mp clients assemble an e-content from other fields -- like, other than the Quill editor where you're authoring in HTML already?
# gRegorLove The "Want to read" will ideally be coming from a mp endpoint config, so can be localized.
# gRegorLove Nice, I'll check that out
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sebsel gRegorLove I do it different: I keep a list of books I have at https://seblog.nl/bieb and then I just send a h=entry&read-of=https://seblog.nl/isbn/9789023425021 to my endpoint. My display then fetches the mf2 from the URL (but technically the book could also live somewhere else, if there was microformats there)
# gRegorLove sebsel: Oh, interesting. Which mp client?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Paw" yet. Would you like to create it?
# gRegorLove I hope I didn't reinvent the wheel, hah
# gRegorLove Ah. Webby, or like command line?
# Loqi Workflow is an iOS app used to automate various actions https://indieweb.org/Workflow
# gRegorLove Paw is an HTTP client for macOS https://paw.cloud/
# gRegorLove I definitely have ideas for the future of parsing the URL you give the client for an h-cite
# gRegorLove But starting minimally with user-entered info to see how it works
# gRegorLove So I could find an h-cite on your site, paste it in, and have it on my site as a want-to-read, without re-entering the info
# sebsel yes, ideally I would give it isbn:9789023425021 instead of https://seblog.nl/isbn/9789023425021 and that XRay (or whatever) extends that
# gRegorLove Loqi's handy for mf debugging like that :)
# gRegorLove You should add yourself to /book
# Loqi A book is a written work https://indieweb.org/book
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tantek.com created /Template:play (+33) "simple play emojicon with abbr for accesibility" (view diff)
# tantek.com created /Template:videoduration (+93) "create for easier markup to session video playback" (view diff)
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