#dev 2017-07-30

2017-07-30 UTC
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@jamstatic_fr Abandonner Disqus pour Webmention sur @jekyllrb grâce aux plugins @PatHawks et @AaronGustafson et gagner en perf au… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/891448626370707457 (twitter.com/_/status/891448626370707457)
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sknebel What is U2F?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "U2F" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel What is Universal 2nd Factor?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Universal 2nd Factor" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel Universal 2nd Factor is a standard for 2-Factor-Authentication using hardware tokens.
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loqi.me created /Universal_2nd_Factor (+112) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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sknebel U2F is /Universal 2nd Factor
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /U2F (+56) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Universal_2nd_Factor (+310) "browser support" (view diff)
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@billbennettnz So long Disqus, hello Webmention Along with a reminder to look at updating web mentions on my WordPress site. https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/891501646705860608)
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@wordpress_easy What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress #Wordpress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/webmentions-annotations-web-standards/ https://twitter.com/wordpress_easy/status/891604037736554496/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/891604037736554496)
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@rolle Webmentions is a really intriguing approach to discussion on modern blogs. Finished reading this and got hooked! https://allinthehead.com/retro/378/implementing-webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/891672795264020484)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Medium (+150) "/* Articles */" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /comments (+2030) "/* How to mark up nested comments? */ Add example from ben.thatmustbe.me" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /venue (+358) "stub why, minimize how to, consolidate brainstorming and potential publishing extensions" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, did you have any further thoughts on https://indieweb.org/venue#Micropub_Query_for_Venues_and_Locations ? Especially when you implemented checkins on your site?
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aaronpk i haven't given it any more thought yet cause the way I implemented checkins bypasses the need for that for now
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GWG I thought about it. But I don't use Micropub
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tantek makes sense
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aaronpk i'm pretty happy with my checkin flow right now, but i have wanted venue support for other things
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aaronpk like tagging my food/drink posts at a venue
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tantek *with* a venue?
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aaronpk yeah like tagging venues on instagram
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tantek what is a location tag
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "location tag" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek o rly
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tantek that's a feature that FB has
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tantek you can even tag the location of someone else's (photo) post
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aaronpk and twitter to some extent too
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tantek what is add location
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "add location" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is location
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Loqi location is a key aspect of checkin and event posts https://indieweb.org/location
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aaronpk so that's probably going to be the driving factor behind me exploring micropub venue query
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tantek.com edited /recipe (+227) "question - use just h-recipe like just h-event? (no h-entry needed), distinguish h-recipe examples vs prototype examples" (view diff)
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tantek captured there - but might as well ask / discuss here
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tantek I'm interested in using "just" h-recipe for recipe posts
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tantek like we use "just" h-event
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tantek without enclosing it in an h-entry
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tantek or at least making an enclosing h-entry *optional*
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aaronpk it didn't occur to me to wrap in an h-entry, that seems weird
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tantek oh! so you're not! ok cool
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aaronpk i'd say wrap it in an h-entry if you're posting about making that recipe
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tantek it may be legacy suggestion on the recipe page
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aaronpk but top-level h-recipe makes sense if you're posting the recipe itself
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tantek ok agreed
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aaronpk i think that's how pinterest parses it too
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tantek pinterest parses both h-recipe and hrecipe?
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aaronpk h-recipe only i think? https://developers.pinterest.com/docs/rich-pins/recipes/?#h-recipe
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tantek.com edited /recipe (+147) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ note aaronpk only using h-recipe not enclosing h-entry" (view diff)
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tantek interesting. who parses hRecipe then? as in, what consuming software or service?
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tantek Paprika?
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aaronpk i think so yeah
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tantek what is pinterest
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Loqi Pinterest is a visual bookmark hosting silo where users "pin" (bookmark), or "repin" (repost a bookmark of) a page with a specific image from that page to a "pinboard" (named bookmark collection) and follow other users and/or pinboards created by others https://indieweb.org/Pinterest
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tantek is Paprika client only? no service?
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aaronpk no web app, but they have a service for syncing their native apps
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tantek but no web presence of that syncing?
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tantek.com edited /recipe (+53) "/* Silo Examples */ local link pinterest" (view diff)
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aaronpk correct
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tantek.com edited /recipe (+120) "/* Silo Examples */ Applications, Paprika parses classic hRecipe" (view diff)
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tantek verified all live h-recipe indieweb examples DO NOT use an enclosing h-entry
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tantek updating how to
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tantek.com edited /recipe (+590) "update how-to based on current h-recipe publishing practice, distinguish h-recipe vs hRecipe examples, add consider hRecipe to how to, explicitly encourage pull request to WP Jetpack for h-recipe support" (view diff)
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tantek there you go aaronpk
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tantek with three publishing examples using consistent markup with different sites / tools, that's likely worth of Post Type Discovery inclusion
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aaronpk nice
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tantek aaronpk, can you add a request for that? https://github.com/tantek/post-type-discovery/issues (see similar requests for other additions at the top of the list)
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tantek and back to venues - I found this: https://indieweb.org/location-of
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tantek.com created /add_location (+30) "r" (view diff)
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aaronpk hm i kind of want to make this tool but for IndieAuth https://openidconnect.net (warning expired ssl cert)
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tantek (ironic - re: expired ssl)
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tantek indieconnect?
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk indieauth provides the equivalent functionality of OpenID Connect already
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tantek so indielogin does that then as a service right?
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aaronpk as in, IndieAuth already provides identity information so there isn't really a need for a "Connect" suffix
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tantek I believe the "Connect" suffix came from "Facebook Connect"
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aaronpk indielogin.com (currently indieauth.com) provides IndieAuth as a service, but also does an alternative authentication flow using RelMeAuth
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tantek as in falls back to RelMeAuth?
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aaronpk s/provides/consumes/
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tantek what is Facebook Connect
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Facebook Connect" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk right now it makes you choose IndieAuth or RelMeAuth each time you authenticate, so not quite fallback
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aaronpk perhaps i should modify that to always use IndieAuth if it's available
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tantek Facebook Connect is a way for other websites to authenticate you using [[Facebook]]. See also [[IndieAuth]].
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Facebook_Connect (+135) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek Facebook Connect << https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook/facebook-across-the-web/41735647130/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook/facebook-across-the-web/41735647130/" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook_Connect
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loqi.me edited /Facebook_Connect (+96) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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tantek Facebook << Facebook Connect
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loqi.me edited /Facebook (+23) "tantek added "[[Facebook Connect]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Facebook Connect]]" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook
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tantek aaronpk, consider documentation for IndieAuth that's as easy to understand / explain / implement as https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook/facebook-across-the-web/41735647130/ is for Facebook Connect
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aaronpk that looks like it'd be good for the new indieauth.net site
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tantek indeed. and the UI in those screenshots implies a lot of functionality that's worth documenting
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tantek note that their docs also prefer "log in"
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tantek e.g. "For example, you can use Facebook Connect with the reviews website, Citysearch. You can easily log in using your Facebook account"
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tantek so similarly: "For example, you can use IndieAuth with the Micropub client, Quill. You can easily log in using your IndieWeb site"
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tantek etc.
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tantek IndieAuth << Facebook Connect
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Facebook Connect]]" to the "See Also" section of /IndieAuth
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loqi.me edited /IndieAuth (+23) "tantek added "[[Facebook Connect]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /notification (+158) "/* Facebook */ only seven days, search email archives workaround" (view diff)
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@ChrisWiegman So long Disqus, hello Webmention https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/891764839483404288)
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[kevinmarks] The connect suffix came from Google Friend Connect. Facebook Connect was vaporware to confuse people.
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