#dev 2017-08-11

2017-08-11 UTC
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gregorlove.com edited /Huffduffer (+310) "How to: Saving to Huffduffer on Android" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas MAMP has consistently hung for the past couple of days. I don’t know why. I suppose I had better reinstall.
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Zegnat jeremycherfas you could run that stack without MAMP in between, with updates through Homebrew, relatively easily
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Zegnat I can recommend the Grav guides, starting here: https://getgrav.org/blog/macos-sierra-apache-multiple-php-versions
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Zegnat The second part will also help you set-up vhost, which means you can have development domains (e.g. jeremycherfas.dev) instead of subfolders in localhost.
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jonnybarnes I’m having trouble with person-tags, anyone had similar issues? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/765
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Loqi [jonnybarnes] #765 How do we syndicate person-tags to multiple targets?
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[jeremycherfas] Zegnat: I will take a look, but after an update everything is smooth, so no great pressure to change.
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@nhoizey There's a little update to this migration to Webmention: https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html#august-11th-2017-update (twitter.com/_/status/896003080197611520)
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@voxpelli @nhoizey @Nico3333fr @martijnvdven Would love it if someone could open an issue at https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions Erich de… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/896007925428346885 (twitter.com/_/status/896007925428346885)
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... that post is making me want to submit a change to Known to enable facepiles for non-comment webmentions....
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Zegnat sknebel sebsel teaser: http://imgur.com/a/FdcIr
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sknebel Zegnat: nice
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sknebel (Zegnat: I got lost in some permission problem yesterday, but I'll review your other PR tomorrow at latest)
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Zegnat No problem, those are just setup fixes, so as long as everyone has already configured their endpoint everything is fine ;)
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[kevinmarks] Facepiles in known would be nice
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[cleverdevil] I'm adding it to my (long) list of things to explore in Known.
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[cleverdevil] I'm still a novice with Known and PHP, but that hasn't stopped me from getting a few things done ?
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snarfed hey aaronpk i'm thinking more about u-photo in atom. remember the URL param we added to optionally omit location from content? https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/104
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Loqi [aaronpk] #104 add an option to not include the location in the Atom content
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aaronpk yea?
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snarfed i still don't fully grok the non-feed-reader use cases and context...but would this fit that too? ie only render u-photo in atom content if reader=true?
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aaronpk hmm
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snarfed oh location is also rendered outside content in atom, as georss:...
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snarfed so maybe reader=true would toggle btw rendering in content vs an enclosure
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aaronpk i had to set reader=false to have it not include the location in the content, which sounds like the opposite of what i want for photo?
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snarfed right. you'd only give reader=false to micro.blog etc
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aaronpk i guess my real question is what use case is there for *not* including photo in the content
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snarfed maybe i'm overthinking it. kinda feel like i'm in a vacuum since i don't have a good feel for the use cases
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snarfed i had the same question though, what use case is there for not including location
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snarfed evidently micro.blog, but i don't really understand how it consumes
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aaronpk location seems different to me
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snarfed ok...?
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aaronpk i don't consider the location part of my post
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aaronpk it's metadata like published date
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snarfed ah ok
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aaronpk on my site I render it the same as published date even
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snarfed granary has similar internal options for whether to render (synthesize) in-reply-to, like-of, etc in content
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snarfed i wonder how much consensus we have for which mf2 properties are metadata vs data
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aaronpk micro.blog pulls in my content from my atom feed, and I want my posts on there to look as close to my site version as possible
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snarfed which implicitly means just your explicit content...but also photos
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aaronpk right, because photos are part of the content of a post
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snarfed to humans, yes, but not to mf2 parsers
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snarfed guess i'm struggling with how to map the obvious human judgments to an algorithm :P
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aaronpk you can drop the location property and the post still means more or less the same thing to poeple reading it. but if you drop the photo, the post loses most of its context
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snarfed i definitely get that human judgment. i just don't yet see a corollary for it in any mf2 property, parsing rule, or other algorithm that we currently have
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aaronpk i think there is probably a short list of mf2 properties that are considered content of a post
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snarfed yeah? that would definitely help
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aaronpk checks post type discovery
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snarfed this may be the root cause of my earlier hesitation, that i couldn't describe well
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aaronpk hm i think this is also a case of how to deal with fallback to formats that don't support the full range of post types in post type discovery
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aaronpk Atom essentially has only one type of post, an "article"
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aaronpk so it's really a question of how do you fall back from a specific post type to an article
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snarfed well, and also, how do you do it in semi-html contexts like atom, where everything goes in a single content HTML block
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Forgot to leave you a tell about this: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-08-10#t1502409338413000
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Loqi [gRegorLove] aaronpk: Atlas gives me a 500 when I try to get a map of an address. I used the example on the Static Maps API github. Did the syntax change? http://atlas.p3k.io/map/img?marker[]=location:920%20SW%203rd%20Ave,%20Portland,%20OR;icon:small-blue-cutout&...
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aaronpk oh yeah i saw
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gRegorLove A follow-up question was whether the licensing allows me to save the map images on my site
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aaronpk depends on which map tiles you use
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snarfed ok aaronpk first rough pass of u-photo in atom content is up, feel free to try. e.g. https://granary-demo.appspot.com/url?input=html&output=atom&url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2F
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gRegorLove Oh, I didn't realize Atlas had different options for tiles
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gRegorLove Ah, the basemap=gray
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aaronpk and you can set custom tiles and provide a tile URL like with a mapbox API key
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aaronpk snarfed++ cool let's see how micro.blog handles it now1
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Loqi snarfed has 9 karma in this channel (295 overall)
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aaronpk gRegorLove: fixed it!
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gRegorLove Thanks!
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[kevinmarks] So do you consider tags part of the post?
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: not unless they're hashtags in the text like a tweet
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Zegnat sknebel, if you are short on time, you might want to prioritise this PR over the other one: https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/pull/28
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Loqi [Zegnat] #28 Allow user to cherry pick scopes.
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Zegnat Only 2 days late on this PR ?
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snarfed aaronpk [kevinmarks]: i wrote up the need for distinguishing data vs medata mf2 properties, feedback welcome: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/113#issuecomment-321897380
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Loqi [snarfed] narrowed down the thinking here a bit [in an IRC discussion w/@aaronpk today](https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-08-11#t1502474343806000). some mf2 properties are primarily _data_. `content` and `name` obviously, but also `photo`, as discussed her...
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk i'm curious if this is something that could be part of post type discovery, or if it's something else entirely
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snarfed seems mostly orthogonal...? not sure
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Zegnat Not long ago sknebel and I were looking at mf photo property and post type discovery, wether it could make mistakes or not, with photo being an implied property. Though I don’t think that comes in here either?
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sknebel don't think so
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sknebel although I don't quite remember the conclusions from that discussion
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sknebel I think we didn't find an actual example of a mistake, since everyone has to complicated markup for layouting etc to trigger it?
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gRegorLove That's my recollection
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Zegnat Ah, yeah, I think that was it. If photo was implied it could have consequences (adding u-photo to u-feature etc) but in reality the implied rules are never applied.
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sknebel still leaves the question if they are useful then, and if everyone uses complicated enough layout. really need a serverfarm to run random experiments over indiemap data ;)
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sknebel (been trying today to download all Let's encrypt certificates ever. need to free disk space for that as well...)
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sknebel (correction: not all ever, all in CT logs)
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snarfed sknebel: try indiemap? bigquery + regexps and jsonpath let you do some pretty sophisticated queries over the parsed mf2 and raw json, respectively
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snarfed free up to 1T queried, then cheap after that
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sknebel been playing with it, haven't quite grokked how to use bigquery effectively though
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snarfed ok. i don't know much jsonpath myself, but otherwise i'm happy to help
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Zegnat snarfed but access to the original HTML? That’s the only way to see if implied u-photo rules were applied (test: is there photo on parsed mf2 but missing as class in html?)
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Zegnat should look into indiemap
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Zegnat should invent a question that can be solved with indiemap data and propose it as his bachelor thesis
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snarfed lol
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snarfed yup indiemap has raw html. http://www.indiemap.org/docs.html#schema-pages
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snarfed also WARC files if you need HTTP headers etc
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sknebel ... didn't bigquery show how much data it touches *before* running a query last time I used it?
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Zegnat Just visiting the indiemap rendering page is a chore on 3G for me. I might have to skip bigquery until I am actually at uni again
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sknebel seems like I imagined that, can't find it
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snarfed Zegnat: oh yeah definitely don't try kumu on 3G. it's just a pretty vis anyway, not a critical part of the dataset
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snarfed bigquery UI is light and should be usable on 3G
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Zegnat But I had to take a look after IWC, snarfed
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snarfed sknebel: yes it did
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snarfed sknebel: click on the green check mark
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sknebel snarfed: aaahhh, thx
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sknebel ok, processing html is $1 per query unless I get it right in 4 tries ;)
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snarfed fortunately it doesn't charge you for queries that fail (for any reason)
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snarfed also, generate a small view of the pages table, e.g. limit 10000, and save to a new table test on that, will be way less data queried. then only run on the full table once it's working.
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snarfed https://cloud.google.com/bigquery/bigquery-web-ui#save-query-results
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sknebel also a good tip
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sknebel (for offline I could relatively easily download the full WARCs, but redoing all your processing probably will take ages)
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schmarty wiki sweeps for audio edition :}
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