#dev 2017-09-28

2017-09-28 UTC
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tantek
!tell schmarty have you considered implementing /deduplication of responses on your posts? E.g. on https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/25/162422/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[Marty McGuire] Hey Folks in/near NYC! @IndieWebCamp NYC is just 5 days away, 9/30 - 10/1 Last year’s IWC NYC was my first in-person IndieWeb experience, and I was completely caught up by the thoughtful people working first-hand to build a more personal, more soci...
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tantek
!tell GWG are you showing plain "mentions" of your posts in the Responses section? I linked to https://david.shanske.com/2017/09/26/heading-indiewebcamp-nyc-sunday/ in my recent post on tantek.com but don't see it there
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[David Shanske] IndieWebCamp NYC 2017 is happening this weekend, 9/30 and 10/1. I will be there on Sunday only, as I cannot be there the day before. Sunday is Hack and Create day. Hoping to help some people set up their websites if I can, and maybe improve my own. L...
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GWG
I apparently have 17 comments to moderate
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Loqi
GWG: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: are you showing plain "mentions" of your posts in the Responses section? I linked to https://david.shanske.com/2017/09/26/heading-indiewebcamp-nyc-sunday/ in my recent post on tantek.com but don't see it there
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GWG
One second
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GWG
There
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tantek
gah, considering updating my POSSE tweet code ... for science (to see what happens)
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tantek
as in one constant
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tantek
here goes nothing
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tantek
and 403: {"errors":[{"code":186,"message":"Status is over 140 characters."}]}
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tantek
oh well, will investigate what API changes I have to make later
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tantek
but there you have it. my account is 280 enabled from the Twitter web UI, but not from the API apparently, or the current API that I'm using (no idea why it would need a new API for a string length change)
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tantek
goodness sakes testing twitter is dangerous. open the home page feed and see a dumpster fire.
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aaronpk
and people wonder why I don't go to twitter.com and only read twitter from irc searches
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loqi.me
created /indieweb_directory (+21) "prompted by aaronpk and dfn added by aaronpk"
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xavierroy.com
created /User:Xavierroy.com (+118) "Created page with "I own: * [http://xavierroy.com XavierRoy.com] - My main website * [http://xavierroy.in XavierRoy.in] - A landing page""
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petermolnar
what are tags?
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Loqi
tags or tagging refers to categorizing or labeling content, your own or others (tag-reply), with words, phrases, names, or other information, optionally linked to specific people, events, locations, such as the practice of tagging posts being about certain people (person-tag), like tagging people or other items where (area-tag) they're depicted in a photo https://indieweb.org/tags
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petermolnar
what is category?
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Loqi
tags or tagging refers to categorizing or labeling content, your own or others (tag-reply), with words, phrases, names, or other information, optionally linked to specific people, events, locations, such as the practice of tagging posts being about certain people (person-tag), like tagging people or other items where (area-tag) they're depicted in a photo https://indieweb.org/category
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petermolnar
revisiting the question if he needs tags at all
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cweiske
how do you list posts of the same topic? I do that with tags
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petermolnar
I call it category: they are in the same folder
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petermolnar
originally my argument was that I'm terrible a tagging
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petermolnar
the reason for revisiting is that I'd rather do a decent full text search and drop tags
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petermolnar
excluding photos
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petermolnar
those still needs tags
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petermolnar
or very good text next to them
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petermolnar
in the meanwhile I realised I have a tendency to do ~bi-annual cleanups of my site
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petermolnar
when I send a lot of "content" to purgatory (offline archives)
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mblaney
!tell tantek,manton,kevinmarks just following up on the conversation from a few days ago about follow webactions and subscribing, there is a pitfall with indie-config that voxpelli and I discussed recently: unless you actively whitelist who you share your config with then you're potentially broadcasting your config to every page you visit.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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mblaney
it's enough of a fingerprint that I decided to remove it from my site and switch to a more proactive sharing method, which I wrote about in: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2017-08-07-Universal_Sign-In_Button
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Loqi
[Malcolm Blaney] Universal Sign-In Button https://unicyclic.com/mal/public/usb.png
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petermolnar
mblaney unless you're with the tor browser there is enough to fingerprint anyway
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Zegnat
Interesting AMP breakage. Someone linked to https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-09-28/mel-brooks-appeared-on-the-one-show-and-was-baffled-by-the-whole-thing/amp/ Google seems to be nice enough to redirect it to the canonical version (at least) in desktop browsers. But RadioTimes has set their homepage as canonical URL, so the
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Zegnat
entire link breaks.
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martymcgui.re
edited /this-week-in-the-indieweb (-13) "/* Podcast */ update podcast page link"
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[keithjgrant]
I've confirmed Omnibear master branch works in Firefox, Chromium, and Vivaldi. I want to skip in a couple new features, then I'll cut another release on the next few days
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snarfed
[keithjgrant]++
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Loqi
keithjgrant has 4 karma in this channel (9 overall)
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[keithjgrant]
Safari needs to get off their assess and support WebExtensions ?
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@wpsheeteditor
wpmudev: What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=166420 #wpmudev
(twitter.com/_/status/913425539058290688)
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@muc_webdesigner
What the New Webmention and Annotation W3C Standards Mean for WordPress https://premium.wpmudev.org/blog/?p=166420 #wpmudev
(twitter.com/_/status/913427419557715969)
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sknebel
aww, old article
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[grantcodes]
keithjgrant++
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Loqi
keithjgrant has 5 karma in this channel (10 overall)
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[keithjgrant]
grantcodes cweiske I think I'm done with my changes to Omnibear. If you have the time today to test things out from the master branch, let me know now things work
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[keithjgrant]
If not, no worries. I'll just publish what I've got and we'll find out later how many of the auth issues it resolves
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skippy
[keithjgrant]: do you think omnibear would work with Firefox mobile? or is it desktop only?
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[keithjgrant]
Desktop only, at least for now
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[keithjgrant]
I've never used an add-on in Mobile, so I'm not really familiar with the workflow there
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skippy
looking for viable mobile solutions.
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[keithjgrant]
Quill works well as a Mobile web app
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skippy
thanks. i'll look closer.
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[keithjgrant]
How do most micropub servers handle 2 posts with the same slug?
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aaronpk
"slug" usually refers to a suggestion or partial component of the URL, not the full URL
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aaronpk
all my posts are uniquely identifiable regardless of the slug. the slug is just there to make the URL look nicer.
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aaronpk
what is a slug?
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Loqi
A slug is a series of words in a permalink URL, usually at the end, that are from or representative of the name or text of a post, and thus part of an overall URL design https://indieweb.org/slug
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[grantcodes]
keithjgrant I'll try it out in a bit
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[grantcodes]
keithjgrant no issues that I can see ? I might have a stab at adding the reacji support
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[keithjgrant]
How did you picture that working from a UI perspective?
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[grantcodes]
Probably just a bar below the like / repost buttons with a few select emoji
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[keithjgrant]
Would it as the emoji to the note content, or just post the one character?
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[grantcodes]
I would think just click the emoji and it sends the micropub request, shouldn't need any more user input
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[keithjgrant]
That's kind of cool. What sort of post is it supposed to generate? Regular note, or something special?
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schmarty
[keithjgrant]: there are some details under https://indieweb.org/reacji#How_to
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Loqi
schmarty: tantek left you a message 16 hours, 34 minutes ago: have you considered implementing /deduplication of responses on your posts? E.g. on https://martymcgui.re/2017/09/25/162422/
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[grantcodes]
Yeah just a reply-to with content of a single emoji
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schmarty
tantek: deduplication is on my todo list, down in a fuzzy area called "maybe i should redo how i store and display received webmentions altogether"
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snarfed
afaik very few people have implemented it
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[keithjgrant]
Cool. I foresee an options screen coming to Omnibear in the near future
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[grantcodes]
? ? ❤ ? ? ? ? is the list of default emoji I am thinking of
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[keithjgrant]
Go for it. I'm a little wary of filling up the little window with too much stuff, but I can sort that out later. Maybe provide options for the user to hide what they don't need visible
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snarfed
hmm, an advanced de-duping maneuver would be to handle silo-only reactions with rel-me instead of u-syndication
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snarfed
e.g. if you know someone's twitter and FB accounts via rel-me, and they like in both places, you could de-dupe even if they don't have an indie like
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aaronpk
clever
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schmarty
snarfed: that's a nice collapsing technique
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GWG
Nicknames cache has been on my list for ages
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[kevinmarks]
'single emoji character' is a slippery concept
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Loqi
[kevinmarks]: mblaney left you a message 7 hours, 39 minutes ago: just following up on the conversation from a few days ago about follow webactions and subscribing, there is a pitfall with indie-config that voxpelli and I discussed recently: unless you actively whitelist who you share your config with then you're potentially broadcasting your config to every page you visit.
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Loqi
[dissolve] single-emoji-recognizer: determine if some text contains a single emoji or not. useful in determining if a reply is a "reacji" or actual text
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[kevinmarks]
I know, but the rules change.
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[grantcodes]
Yeah the uk flags that are coming out will mess things up I'm sure
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@FakeUnicode
@kevinmarks @jack ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
(twitter.com/_/status/913044984131026944)
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[kevinmarks]
7 astral plane chars, one emoji
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[kevinmarks]
one less than gay kiss
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[grantcodes]
Here's what omnibear + reacji would look like
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[keithjgrant]
Cool. Go for it. I’ll tweak the UI a bit to help things fit together better after the PR
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[keithjgrant]
I think ? might be a good icon to have, too. But I want to keep the list short...
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sebsel
One can always just type one emoji in the content box to have a custom one
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[grantcodes]
Yeah it's just an array of preset emoji, so can be changed super easy
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[grantcodes]
I'll add ? and send a pull request, all seems to be working now
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loqi.me
edited /like (+139) "tantek added "2017-09-27 [http://groknation.com/culture/social-media-likes/ Be Kind, Connect and Create Miracles: Make Your Social Media Likes Matter]" to "See Also""
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aaronparecki.com
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dmitri.shuralyov.com
edited /User:Dmitri.shuralyov.com (-70) "Replaced content with "{{ds}}""
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dmitri.shuralyov.com
edited /selfdogfood (+793) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add Dmitri Shuralyov and his examples of selfdogfooding."
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dmitri.shuralyov.com
edited /selfdogfood (+10) "/* Dmitri Shuralyov */ Display all issues (open and closed) rather just open; this is a better example."
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dmitri.shuralyov.com
edited /file-storage (+540) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add examples of using flat file storage at dmitri.shuralyov.com."
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dmitri.shuralyov.com
edited /file-storage (+33) "/* Dmitri Shuralyov */ Mention that blog posts are also stored in flat files."
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