#dev 2017-10-11

2017-10-11 UTC
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schmarty aaronpk: been thinking about changing how i handle WMs from webmention.io. was thinking about grabbing existing WMs in a backfill pass, then storing new ones from the webhook. however, the data format is different.
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aaronpk Try adding .jf2 to the url
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schmarty aaronpk: is there a quick and dirty mapping from the wm.io data (with keys like activity, data) to or from the webhook notification data (with keys like "post", and full mf2 wm-property names)?
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schmarty oh ha
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schmarty um, rad. thanks!
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schmarty i think this'll work.
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk yeah that’s the format I want to use but I couldn’t just change the api on everyone
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schmarty i have so many different moving parts to my site that i forget how they work by the time i am ready to make changes to them :|
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aaronpk haha meee tooo
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Loqi nice
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schmarty my goal here is to make a standalone service i can reuse between sites that basically manages a flat file store of webmentions
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schmarty something compatible with the jekyll and hugo data storage
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aaronpk nice
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schmarty so that no compile step actually hits webmention.io
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aaronpk excellent cause that is not a sustainable solution lol
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schmarty most definitely
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schmarty currently my main site grabs the most recent page of mentions from the API on each compile
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schmarty and my podcast site uses javascript, so every page view is another wmio request :|
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schmarty my hope is to have this hook store them all in a way the static site generators can read, and trigger a rebuild on new wms, so they show up immediately.
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tantek "youve never heard of" triggers my click bait article name detector
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tantek does a search on gnes
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schmarty aaronpk: any chance of getting the create or verified date in the jf2 output format? lots of posts have no published time and that makes them hard to sort :/
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schmarty (e.g. bridgy fb and twitter posts)
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schmarty example: https://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?target=https://martymcgui.re/2017/10/03/132640/
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aaronpk Ooh interesting
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aaronpk yeah that’s doable
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aaronpk File an issue?
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+87) "move birmingham down - currently not active" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Mumble (+74) "add client note" (view diff)
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00dani.me created /User:00dani.me (+63) "add a simple h-card, as advised on [[wikifying]]" (view diff)
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sknebel I didn't know/had forgotten you could get domains with leading numbers
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00dani.me edited /User:00dani.me (-53) "Replace the h-card with a template using a cute little userpic" (view diff)
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00dani.me edited /User:00dani.me (+115) "Use a separate h-card here that links to my actual domain as well as showing my u-photo" (view diff)
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00dani.me edited /User:00dani.me (+653) "expand out itches into two separate lists of stuff i wanna get done" (view diff)
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00dani.me edited /User:00dani.me (+101) "/* roadmap */ add [[websub]] to list of things that need doing" (view diff)
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snarfed facebook api outage/degradation since 8:20am pst ish, whee. https://developers.facebook.com/status/issues/155022565098832/
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aaronpk i get a 500 server error trying to visit that page ?
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snarfed huh surprising
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tantek aaronpk, screenshot lol
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aaronpk it's back now lol
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sebsel !tell sknebel I did send a webmention via Telegraph, but it gave a 302 redirect, which it didn't follow. That's because I mentioned the http-version, not the https. I think you can solve it by using an absolute URL as endpoint, with https.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk [eddie] any chance you've written up your notes about Compass?
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aaronpk [eddie] i tried writing some notes based on our conversations the other day, can you check if i've missed anything? https://github.com/aaronpk/Compass#setup
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Loqi [aaronpk] Compass: Compass is a GPS tracking server that stores data in flat files.
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[eddie] aaronpk: Hey! Thanks, I haven't written them up outside of my scribbles. I'll take a look at what you have and add what's missing
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[eddie] aaronpk: You got almost all of my notes. Added the only missing stuff into a PR
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aaronpk sweet
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[eddie] Also, definitely not a near term thing, but I've been trying to figure out how to get my Apple Health data into my possession. I'm thinking forking Compass into a health-focused app might be pretty good. The storage seems good for tracking step counts, heart rate, etc. Plus it allows me to keep all of my data, and then I could create custom rules to send Micropub posts (for example, sending my sleep data to my website, or at midnight, sending a
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[eddie] steps for the day. Things like that. Compass (or at the least Quartz) seems like a good starting place for something like that.
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aaronpk I was thinking a slightly different approach for the app, basically making it continuously export data from HealthKit to Micropub
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tantek what is Apple Health
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Apple Health" yet. Would you like to create it?_
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aaronpk the Quantified Self org has an app that exports all your apple health data but it has to be run manually and only exports a csv file
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tantek aaronpk is that uppercase QS and not lowercase qs? ;)
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aaronpk yep
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[eddie] would you be storing that in your website or a Quartz like database? One of the things I've thought about is step counts. Throughout the day that goes up
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aaronpk i haven’t figured out how I want to represent steps on my site yet...
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aaronpk i think it doesnt fit well into the “post” format, although most of the apps end up with a post per day kind of display
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aaronpk could just update that post throughout the day
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aaronpk Not sure where I’d want to sort it tho, probably at the end of the day
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[eddie] Ahh gotcha. As I've thought about it from my side it seems helpful to have a fully private database (like Compass) that can store everything. Then the things I was to "post" can happen. For example, at midnight, it could grab my last step count total, grab the time I took my last step and use that as the created time for the post
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tantek FYI: for anyone following the "Share API" on Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/share-backported/
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aaronpk yeah true, like the way it handles trips
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tantek big question is, how to get Micropub support built into it!
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[eddie] Exactly, that was the inspiration.
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aaronpk Guess I should add that to my itches
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tantek what is Social API
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Loqi Firefox Social API is a Firefox browser feature from Mozilla for interfacing with social APIs, on silos, servers running open source installations like Known & WordPress, and servers supporting open protocols like micropub https://indieweb.org/Social_API
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tantek and need to update that as being dropped as of FIrefox 57
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tantek citation: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/57#APIs_2
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tantek aaronpk, found the github for it: https://github.com/Mte90/Share-Backported
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Loqi [Mte90] Share-Backported: Extension to get back the Firefox Share modal
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eddiehinkle.com edited /User:Eddiehinkle.com (+525) "/* Working On */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (+40) "/* itching */" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, issue/feature request filed: https://github.com/Mte90/Share-Backported/issues/24
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Loqi [tantek] #24 Support W3C Micropub standard for publishing to sites and OSS
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sknebel sebsel: I rather filed that as a bug against Telegraph ;)
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Loqi sknebel: sebsel left you a message 3 hours, 2 minutes ago: I did send a webmention via Telegraph, but it gave a 302 redirect, which it didn't follow. That's because I mentioned the http-version, not the https. I think you can solve it by using an absolute URL as endpoint, with https.
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sebsel but... you liked to an endpoint that did not exist?
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sebsel too tired for specs now
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sebsel if you think you should, you should :)
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sknebel sebsel: you only get a relative link to that endpoint from an HTTPS page. it's wrong to ever even have it with HTTP
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sknebel and fixing it on my homepage is the age-old "work around bugs vs have a chance to get them fixed everywhere" question
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tantek unless there's already a test somewhere else to get them fixed, e.g. on webmention.rocks
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sknebel it's a webmention.rocks test, still took until it happened "in the wild" to be noticed
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aaronpk sknebel++ good call, that was it https://telegraph.p3k.io/webmention/11vW2fmnxg9hzjI5h1/details
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sknebel nice!
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sknebel reminds me that I need to look into better tracking of updated dependencies for my projects as well
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sknebel and look into automating webmention testing (https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.rocks/issues/24 or some other API and/or easy way to deploy a test thing locally)
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Loqi [cweiske] #24 Computer-readable list of discovery test URLs and expected endpoints
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sknebel checks itch list
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www.svenknebel.de edited /User:Www.svenknebel.de (+57) "/* long-term Itches/random ideas */ add wm.rocks explcitly to testing ideas" (view diff)
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aaronpk only 2 hours in and i've already saved a ton of bandwidth by using cloudflare caching for the avatar images https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-10-11-15-09-23-mR80ZZy13T.jpg
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tantek wow nice
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aaronpk should help cut down my AWS bill next month
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tantek from pennies to pennies?
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aaronpk no it was like $8 of bandwidth usage!
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tantek whoa that's like two coffees!
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[cleverdevil] Have you had Portland coffee?
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[cleverdevil] Its more like 1.5 coffees ?
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aaronpk lol
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[eddie] cleverdevil / grantcodes I was checking out together. I like the different views (photos, checkins, etc). I'm curious, are those supposed to be different "channels" in the microsub sense? Or are those filters on a single channel?
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[cleverdevil] We've discussed having "channels" as well.
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[cleverdevil] But, there isn't anything like that just yet.
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[eddie] Gotcha. So those are filters. aaronpk have you thought through filtering? I'm wondering if we do something like list a "required" attribute when making a timeline call. For example: /microsub?action=timeline&filter=photo would only return posts that contain a photo property?
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[eddie] Because as it is now a microsub server would respond to a timeline request with say the last 20 posts in the timeline. If you filtered those down to photos on the client side you might end up with 5 posts in your timeline before requiring another call to action=timeline
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[cleverdevil] All good questions ?
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[eddie] As you can tell I've been reading through the spec and thinking ?
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[kevinmarks] the way woodwind does tagged feed filters is nice
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[eddie] you mean the "show all posts by X"
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[eddie] oh it's called "More from this feed" ?
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