#dev 2017-10-30

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oodani Is OpenID still worth implementing? It's obviously worse than IndieAuth, but there do still seem to be places that accept it. (For instance, PyPI, which I'm on a lot since I'm working in Django.)
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KartikPrabhu oodani: I think Indieauth can be used as OpenID fallback. aaronpk should know more
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aaronpk You can delegate to IndieAuth.com if you don't want to implement OpenID from scratch
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oodani Hmm, might be worth doing. I'd assume my IndieAuth approval prompt would only "see" IndieAuth.com rather than the actual OpenID client, though.
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aaronpk Well it's easy to try out. https://IndieAuth.com/openid
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aaronpk there aren't that many places that consume it still tho, and there are even fewer OpenID providers left
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aaronpk i have a bunch of users on IndieAuth.com who moved there from myOpenID.com when it shut down, cause they still wanted to be able to sign in to stack overflow
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tantek including me :)
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aaronpk but IMO its not worth investing much time in
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aaronpk OpenID 1 is effectively dead, the OpenID foundation has moved on to OpenID Connect which is based on OAuth 2 and also doesnt even serve the same goal as OpenID 1 did
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tantek aaronpk I wonder if we can update the /OpenID dfn to reflect that summary status
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tantek what is OpenID
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Loqi OpenID is a method of using an HTTP URL as an identity for signing into websites https://indieweb.org/OpenID
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tantek yeah
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tantek 1 and 2 both pretty dead right?
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tantek and OIDC is like you said totally different
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aaronpk yeah 1 and 2 are officially deprecated according to the openid foundation
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oodani Yeah, delegating to IndieAuth.com means my site only actually sees IndieAuth.com, not the OpenID client. Makes sense, I guess.
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aaronpk that's how delegating to any openid 1 server works yeah
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oodani Oddly enough, it doesn't even work on PyPI? Maybe they don't do delegation properly. Works fine on Stack Exchange though.
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aaronpk hrm
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aaronpk its so hard to debug too
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oodani Probably not gonna bother with it. You're right, it's pretty pointless now.
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Zegnat Does IndieAuth.com OpenID work now? It used to fail for me on StackExchange when I used my own IndieAuth endpoint.
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oodani Hmm, with Stack Exchange it goes through to my site fine, but comes back to IndieAuth.com/ rather than being sent to SE.
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oodani So, probably not, then. :P
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aaronpk oh no
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Zegnat Ah, alright, I was hopeful for a second there ;)
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Zegnat Well, I am off for bed. Have a good one all!
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tantek.com edited /OpenID (+290) "update dfn to indicate dying nature, official deprecation, replaced by, criticism Hard to debug" (view diff)
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tantek what is OpenID
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Loqi OpenID was a protocol for using a web address as an identity to sign-in to websites; it is losing support, is effectively dead (versions 1 & 2 are both deprecated), and has been replaced on the IndieWeb with web-sign-in and IndieAuth https://indieweb.org/OpenID
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oodani Is there something I can put on my site to make IndieAuth.com automatically delegate /IndieAuth/ requests to my site, rather than simply using my own IndieAuth as a verification method? (So that I get the correct client_id and icon, and also don't have to pick which provider to use.)
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tantek.com edited /OpenID (+49) "dfn, note/link sites dropping support" (view diff)
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aaronpk i was able to log in to stackoverflow just now
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aaronpk using the twitter verification option of indieauth.com
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aaronpk oodani: i think there's an open ticket for that right now on indieauth.com. but... dont worry too much about it, for reasons i would love to get in to
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oodani Oh wow. Okay. :P
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oodani Feel free to get into them. ;)
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aaronpk it's... complicated, and im in the middle of a project to straighten things out
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Zegnat oodani, it also depends on the website. E.g. Telegraph should send you straight to your site. It is only websites like the wiki that do not use IndieAuth themselves but use specifically the IndieAuth.com service for login that force you to go there.
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aaronpk the short version is you will only ever interact with indieauth.com when youre logging in to sites that dont implement their own login flow, like the wiki.
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oodani Hmm, Yeah, fair enough.
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oodani Oops, capital Y there.
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oodani Authenticating with Stack Exchange worked when I used Twitter verification, but not GitHub verification (I got a "csrf_detected" error).
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aaronpk ultimately i would like it to skip showing you indieauth.com when youre logging in to the wiki but it's an optimization thing really
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aaronpk oh weird yeah ive heard a couple other reports about that, but i havent figured out whats wrong with the github flow
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Zegnat Yeah, it seems to be an error specific to using the IndieAuth option for logging in to StackExchange.
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oodani The thing is that https://indieauth.com/developers encourages you to just use IndieAuth.com rather than try to discover the user's correct authorisation endpoint, so it seems like that'll end up with /lots/ of IndieAuth clients that have to go through that extra step.
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Zegnat That’s because that is the developers page for indieauth.com, and not for indieauth.net (the OAuth extension)
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aaronpk haha welcome to the party ?
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Loqi rofl
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Zegnat oodani here is some history: https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#naming_confusion
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Zegnat Or well, details and discussion and resolution all in one little section
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Zegnat Now I really should be off for bed, because IndieAuth has a tendency to keep me up ;)
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oodani "IndieAuth.com will become IndieLogin.com." ?
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aaronpk yep and also i'm launching a fork of it on myindieauth.com
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aaronpk to play the other role, where the user doesnt want to build their own authorization endpoint
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oodani Ooh. So that version will *just* support email/PGP/social verification?
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aaronpk yep!
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aaronpk and if a site is using indielogin.com and you have your own authorization endpoint, you'll never even see the rel=me login options or even see the indielogin.com site
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oodani :D
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aaronpk i'm hoping that helps clear things up
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oodani Sounds good to me. c:
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aaronpk i have this started in a development branch already. it's a lot of work tho!
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aaronpk updating docs, fiddling with those flows, etc
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oodani oh, totally! there's always a lot to do with these things :o
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oodani so will indielogin.com delegate across to myindieauth.com for users that need to use email/pgp/social?
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aaronpk heh i hadnt thought of that
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oodani i'm in a microservice frame of mind today, apparently :p indielogin.com could do absolutely nothing besides delegate to the user's auth endpoint or to myindieauth.com if they don't have one
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aaronpk interesting point
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oodani that means only myindieauth.com needs an id+secret for twitter and github, which i think is an advantage - although i guess making more oauth apps is free anyway
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oodani and you could also reuse the same id+secret if you wanted, i s'pose
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aaronpk it would make the implementation of indielogin.com super small
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oodani yeah! :3
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eli_oat AHOY! Potentially stupid question but I can't find an answer in the docs: how does, or can one, update a post via quill? If so, how?
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eli_oat HARK! Never mind: found it in a related closed issue on github. Edit posts with this sort of URL https://quill.p3k.io/edit?url=[some_post_of_me]
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tantek eli_oat perhaps add it to an "FAQ on indieweb.org/Quill ?
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eli_oat On it!
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tantek eli_oat++
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eli_oat Also, long time no post to IRC! Been lurking a bunch
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@John316Network http://bit.ly/LPDoor - The Door is free. #IARTG #Kindleebooks #mustread #readers #Kindletouch #indieauth #IAN1pic.twitter.com/8LCenVAYrJ (twitter.com/_/status/924841440902914048)
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aaronpk Whoa I forgot that Quill has any kind of edit support
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mblaney bridgy++ I finally got around to adding quote-tweet support to dobrado, and it worked first time :-)
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tantek.com edited /hwcpdx (+19) "linky linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Portland (+10) "link hwcpdx, espand dfn" (view diff)
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mblaney ahhh, except I use bridgy_omit_link=true for short posts, but I'm still counting the original tweet.
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vanderven.se martijn edited /comments (+373) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Add Henrik Carlsson and call out how he is displaying comments within feeds too" (view diff)
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cweiske could you add a screenshot for that comment-in-feeds?
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jacky.wtf edited /Jekyll (+51) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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Zegnat cweiske, I was thinking about it, but it becomes such a big image on the page then. As you can’t illustrate it without actually screenshotting the whole feed.
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cweiske the wiki support thumbnails
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Zegnat True, I’ll try and make something that shows off the example
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cweiske thanks
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Zegnat Whatever Hendrik is using to grab the comments doesn’t support the authorship algorithm. My photo and name don’t show up :(
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jacky.wtf created /User:Jacky.wtf (+61) "Created page with "I'm Jacky. I host and talk about things at https://jacky.wtf/"" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn uploaded /File:henrik-carlssons-blog.png "Screenshot of http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/, 2017-10-30, showing in-line [[comments]] on the main blog [[feed]]. https://indieweb.org/File:henrik-carlssons-blog.png"
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Zegnat cweiske ^^^
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cweiske oh, thank you!
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vanderven.se martijn edited /comments (+91) "/* Henrik Carlsson */ Add (probably) page breaking thumbnail" (view diff)
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cweiske he doesn't have rss/atom or h-feed
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Zegnat Well, even as thumbnail, that messes with the /comments page a lot
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cweiske or link to the wiki file page itself without a preview
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cweiske but I don't know how to do that.
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Zegnat Going to leave it for now, as it is the only screenshot on the entire page.
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Zegnat Also, not only no h-feed, no h-entry’s either
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[kevinmarks] Interesting article on athenian democracy tech http://www.alamut.com/subj/artiface/deadMedia/agoraMuseum.html
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/ellenbroad/status/924786379334213632
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@ellenbroad Hey twitter, I need all your phrases and slang terms for crappy code (spaghetti code, a ball of mud, etc). @ me with favourites. (twitter.com/_/status/924786379334213632)
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snarfed ok [kevinmarks] i had a little too much fun with that :P
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aaronpk what is analytics?
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Loqi analytics is the collection, analysis and reporting of a websites traffic https://indieweb.org/analytics
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aaronpk just stumbled across Open Web Analytics since it's available as a DreamHost one-click install
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aaronpk there's a section on the wiki page for it but no info lol
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sknebel analytics << Do_Not_Track
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Do Not Track]]" to the "See Also" section of /website-analytics
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aaronpk oh boy something's going on with my server
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aaronpk redis keeps dying
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aaronpk let's see if a reboot fixes it
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aaronpk let's see if a reboot fixes it
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[miklb] cweiske++
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[miklb] hmm. I might have jumped the gun, but I’m I’m able to send a micropub like with a syndication target for a like
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[miklb] but my site didn’t set the syndication target
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[miklb] I suspect that is between the WordPress plugin and silo.pub however
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sknebel grantcodes: as you say, the base tags should be handled by the parser, but see my other issue with your solution.
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grantcodes sknebel: hmm there is definitely code in the mf2 parser to handle base tags
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sknebel grantcodes: well, in my tests it doesn't :P
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grantcodes but maybe still because I'm not using the res.url?
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sknebel on my branch as well
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grantcodes here's where the base tag is used: https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/f88eb673c002e99eff8a4a86cd91d37c0aabfe80/lib/parser.js#L328
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sknebel (that said, I was testing on node, maybe the browser DOM it works correctly)
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sknebel (which is still bad since microformat-node is still broken then, but -shiv might be "fine")
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grantcodes yeah not sure how reliable the node dom parsing is
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grantcodes Decent enough usually
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grantcodes Do you have a live url you're testing on?
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sknebel hang on, I don't need a fixed plugin to test that, basetag would supply the url
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sknebel grantcodes: https://www.svenknebel.de/temp/reltest.html
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grantcodes I also have a test suite I can share, it's just a bit hacky so it's not in the repo
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Zegnat Hmm, I feel like that microformat-shiv code is suspect. If you BASE element URL is a relative one (which I think is allowed by HTML?) it is going to turn the URL into a relative one again.
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sknebel Zegnat: it doesn't even seem to work with an absolute one
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Zegnat Oh, it reads like it should work with absolute ones.
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sknebel (try logging into that test page above
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Zegnat throws hands in the air
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tantek like you just don't care?
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sknebel grantcodes: btw, if you need a project I bet there's more to find in the JS parser :P
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sknebel and glenn hasn't been doing anything on it recently, not even merging my old PRs
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Zegnat More like taking my hands off of it, tantek ;) We may need to hunt for a new maintainer on JS mf2
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tantek sknebel: try pinging him on Twitter
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sknebel grantcodes: Zegnat: the code you linked also seems to only use the <base> tags if you don't supply an URL, that's wrong too
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grantcodes mf2 parsing is too complex for me to try and build myself at the moment
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[miklb] hmm. I guess I was thinking I could use silo.pub as a syndication target to trigger a like
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grantcodes sknebel: so your example should resolve to https://www.svenknebel.de/testing/abra for the auth url?
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tantek Zegnat or at least a co-maintainer
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sknebel grantcodes: yes. E.g. see php parser https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.svenknebel.de%2Ftemp%2Freltest.html
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sknebel even without a base url the node parser doesn#t see it: https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/mf2?url=https://www.svenknebel.de/temp/reltest.html
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sknebel (since the "official" testing site is down, this is mine, running microformats-node with my open PRs already applied though)
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tantek.com edited /post (+488) "/* Brainstorming */ What to post / Anniversaries of projects or activities" (view diff)
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aaronpk *whew* just cleaned up my dreamhost account and set up nightly backups of everything
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tantek hey GWG, per our recent discussion, I'm going to keep adding to https://indieweb.org/post#What_to_post every time I think of something to post and reach sufficient motivation to succesfully do so. hope that helps!
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Zegnat Why is it my perfectly valid HTML always unearths these tricky bugs, sknebel, grantcodes, ... :P
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grantcodes sknebel Zegnat one (kinda weird) option would actually be to just host the php version somewhere, enable cors and just request the mf2 json from that. But always prefer not to have these middleman services
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Zegnat That would leak all endpoint information of every user to the middleman. Wouldn’t recommend that.
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sknebel grantcodes: agreed, not great. might be worth checking if there is a good dedicated solution just for rel links...
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grantcodes isn't that all already public anyway?
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tantek not your usage thereof
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tantek it's potentially another form of monitoring/logging
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tantek behavior analysis for ad targeting etc.
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sknebel would have to check/think about where else the it uses the mf2 parser and if the bugs matter there (if introducing another dependency for rel links. wouldn't be surprised if <base> tags are ignored in most tooling though. clear edge case :/)
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Zegnat Also takes away the possibility of using the code in browser extensions (like Micropub clients) that are meant to work with development versions of software. The middleman can’t access localhost.
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grantcodes Cool, let's rule out that option then
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Zegnat sknebel does the node-microformats version you run on sturdy-backbone live somewhere in a repo?
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sknebel Zegnat: yep, my fork of it
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sknebel on GH
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Zegnat What branch?
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sknebel https://github.com/sknebel/microformat-node/tree/patchy-shiv - I just noticed glenn did changes since then
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grantcodes So all my library needs to get is the auth, token and micropub endpoints (maybe rel=me links would be useful too) - if there is another way of getting those I'm all for it
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Zegnat Hmm. Wonder if it is worth it making a fresh fork of glenn's then and merging in your changes manually, and then going from there.
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Zegnat I don’t like the idea of working on -node and -shiv simultaneously though
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aaronpk you don't need a microformats parser to get the rel values
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sknebel aaronpk: any recommendations of working JS libs (browser side) for it that respect base tags?
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grantcodes for my use case, needs to work in browser and node!
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sknebel Zegnat: https://github.com/sknebel/microformat-node/blob/patchy-shiv/package.json#L35 - my -node version for that also loads my -shiv version as a dependency
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aaronpk search for "link rel parser"
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aaronpk that's really what you're doing
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sknebel we have a mf2 parser anyways
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sknebel so yes, we can add another thing, but if we can fix the mf2 parser instead
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sknebel (at least I assume microformats-shiv used for the highlight-thing as well)
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Zegnat Wait. -node depends on -shiv? Now I am really confused as to what sets them apart, haha.
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Loqi awesome
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sknebel Zegnat: -shiv is an mf2 parser working on a DOM. -node just supplies a DOM in nodejs and does some adapting around that, the parser is in -shiv
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sknebel to a very large part at least
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Zegnat Hmm
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sknebel (the obvious npm hits for alternatives seem broken as well)
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sknebel https://developer.mozilla.org/de/docs/Web/API/Node/baseURI - this looks like it might help to get a <base> value from the DOM. unclear if available in the node-DOM though, just noting it for now
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Zegnat Actually, this stuff seems perfectly fine to use: https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/f88eb673c002e99eff8a4a86cd91d37c0aabfe80/lib/url.js
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Zegnat Or at master, sorry, whenever you go through search you always end up at specific commits: https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/master/lib/url.js
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sknebel in what context is that used? I'm not quite sure what it does and when and how
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Zegnat I see no obvious problems with that method, so as long as all URLs go through modules.url.resolve() stuff should be peachy.
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Zegnat modules.url.resolve(url, baseUrl) - “resolves url to absolute version using baseUrl”. Code seems fine. So as long as that is used everywhere there shouldn’t be any issues.
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sknebel but the problem is finding the base url, not applying it. I thought
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sknebel since if you pass it in expicitly it gets applied
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Zegnat https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/master/microformat-shiv.js#L341-L348 - seems to suggest baseUrl is overwritten by whatever is in the BASE element?
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Zegnat The only problem there is that it should have used modules.url.resolve when baseUrl is already defined, in case of a relative value in the BASE element
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sknebel and the fact that it doesn't work on our example page with an absolute base url
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Zegnat Yeah, that is surprising. Reading the code, it should just be taking that URL :/
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sknebel except if this.document has a value in L319
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sknebel if that exists and has an empty url for some reason...
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Zegnat L319 is empty?
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Zegnat Are we looking at different versions?
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Zegnat Pizza is here. And after dinner I need to get back to the studies. Postpone this ’til thursday? Haha
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sknebel Zegnat: https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/master/lib/parser.js#L319
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sknebel yeah, I should start going home as well
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Zegnat Ah, I was looking in the compiled -shiv file. I’ll pass my eyes over parser.js after pizza.
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Zegnat Have a good one
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tantek ooh pizza
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sknebel Just devoured a slice as well (yay for Italian place in the train station)
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grantcodes aaronpk: quick question - any way I can automate the micropub.rocks tests for unit tests? Think I would just need to get some of the random strings generated
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aaronpk i hadn't really planned on it being used for automated testing
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grantcodes fair enough
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grantcodes Just easier than writing my own tests ?
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aaronpk i'm surprised there aren't more services that offer stats for podcast downloads
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[kevinmarks] Well, the stats people want are playbacks rather than downloads
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aaronpk i mean that's not a thing, but what people are doing right now is tracking downloads
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aaronpk it just seems to be bundled with podcast hosting
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aaronpk the wordpress plugin has stats built in so at least you can self-host that pretty easily
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[kevinmarks] Hm, I wonder if the archive.org stats measure downloads
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Zegnat sknebel: that if on L319 doesn’t matter, as the baseTag is detected on L328 and falls outside of that if-block. The if from L319 just tries to detect the current page URL when running in the browser in case no other URL was provided.
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Zegnat It should get overridden on L332 by whatever the BASE element provided. So for your absolute URL in BASE, that should work :/
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sknebel Zegnat: my mistake, due to the indentation I thought it was in the except block
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sknebel catch blog
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sknebel block
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sknebel aaahh
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Zegnat He. Yeah, the indentation is a little annoying for reviewing code.
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sknebel Zegnat: grantcodes: seems like only rel-urls aren't normalized
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sknebel so the bug is in the code extracting them, not the general handling of base tags
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Zegnat Ah. They don’t use the modules.url.resolve() ?
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sknebel https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/mf2?url=https://www.svenknebel.de/temp/reltest.html
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sknebel haven't found the source yet
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Zegnat Oh, OK, I thought you hit jackpot there
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grantcodes Ah ok. I was actually just playing with getting the rels myself without the library
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Zegnat That might be a good idea regardless, grantcodes ;)
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sknebel yes, for micropub-helper it makes sense to do that
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grantcodes Yeah, the only thing that might be an issue is the base tag thing. Apart from that I think it will be amost as simple as querySelectorAll('[rel]')
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sknebel https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/f88eb673c002e99eff8a4a86cd91d37c0aabfe80/lib/parser-rels.js#L65 hm... seems like it should resolve, except maybe the type check is wrong
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Zegnat grantcodes: check querySelector('base'), if it exists, resolve its href value and set that to the new base URL. Then resolve all hrefs from *[rel] matches to the current base URL.
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Zegnat You have to resolve URLs for the *[rel] anyway, so you need that code no matter what.
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sknebel yeah, I kind of had forgotten earlier that "we have an mf2 parser anyways" is only true in the browser extension, not the helper
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grantcodes sknebel: The full parser is in there just now, but not really using the functionality of it anyway
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Zegnat If that type check is wrong it shouldn’t be adding *any* URLs, sknebel, or am I reading this wrong? So the type check must be passing…
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sknebel that's what I meant. omnibear is using it for other things, your micropub-helper doesn't need it
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sknebel Zegnat: true. well, somewhere there is the bug probably ;)
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Zegnat Also, why is this all in while loops? When did for-loops get outlawed?
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Zegnat I know I should not be riffing on coding choices, I am just a little frustrated that all code looks OK yet we are having problems :P
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Zegnat Why is LINK handled separately here?! WHY!? https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/master/lib/parser-rels.js#L54-L58
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Zegnat goes to make tea
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sknebel ah
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sknebel found it
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Zegnat Looking forward to it
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grantcodes Zegnat & sknebel here's my 33 line function for getting rel links: https://gist.github.com/grantcodes/5eb16ffc6246d4b4c05b01e93c369396 look ok to you guys?
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grantcodes * only frontend for now
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sknebel grantcodes: only the first <base href=> counts, so break the loop once you set a base url
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sknebel and the href can be relative
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sknebel so you should also resolve it to the initial baseUrl
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grantcodes Oh cool! didn't know that about multiple base elements
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sknebel just add a break after L13
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sknebel oh, return probably since .forEach not a real loop
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sknebel or however you get out of those
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sknebel I just realized I don't know of the top of my head
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grantcodes I'll just make it not a loop
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sknebel the first <base> could not have a href attribute
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grantcodes Ah edge cases!
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sknebel you have to check until you used one
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grantcodes queryselector(base[href])?
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aaronpk omfg :facepalm: https://tttthreads.com/
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sknebel that should work
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sknebel and the values of rel="" is a space-seperated list
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sknebel so <link rel="authorization_endpoint token_endpoint"... is valid
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grantcodes I assume that's only if the href is the same yeah?
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Zegnat grantcodes, you don’t need `if (value !== null) {` for the base element, do you?
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grantcodes refresh the gist, it's updated a bit
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grantcodes oops didnt update
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sknebel sure, a link element only has one href, the value applies to all links listed in rel=
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Zegnat Does this mean we all have experience with pair programming now?
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Zegnat goes to update his CV ;(
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Zegnat * ;)
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sknebel Zegnat: you didn't before? ;)
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sknebel also, might be a good idea to lowercase the rel values, since they are case-insensitive
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sknebel and clean out duplicate URLs
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sknebel that's all I can think of right now
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sknebel aaronpk: sadly, that seems quite useful
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk i can't believe it's come to this ?
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Zegnat yeah, lowercase rel values, then split on ' ' (space) because one element can have several rel names
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Zegnat If you change relEls to doc.querySelectorAll('[rel][href]') you will not need to check the attributes for null, I think, as both rel and href must exist on the element
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grantcodes Haha thanks guys, so the gist is updated to find the first base element with a href attribute and handle space separated rel attributes. (I left in that null check just in case :P)
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Loqi hehe
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sknebel grantcodes: one thing: split(" ") doesn't handle multiple spaces between two tokens, so filter out the "" in the names.forEach
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Zegnat This could theoretically lead to duplicate entries. Otherwise I don’t see any problems
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grantcodes Oh yeah, don't think the duplicates matter for my use, but I'll filter them anyway :)
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Zegnat I am surprised neither sknebel nor I had a function ready for this, with all the URL resolution crap we have read throughout the years ?
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sknebel Zegnat: not in JS certainly
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sknebel oh, and sorry, another thing... despite being called "space seperated tokens", "The space characters, for the purposes of this specification, are U+0020 SPACE, "tab" (U+0009), "LF" (U+000A), "FF" (U+000C), and "CR" (U+000D)."
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sknebel (newlines in attributes, really?)
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Zegnat Hmm, I wonder if DOMParser doesn’t normalise that for you. Never tested.
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sknebel good point, it might
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Zegnat If you didn’tt want a general rel extraction grantcodes,you should just have done document.querySelector('[rel~="micropub"][href]').getAttribute('href') and resolved that ;)
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grantcodes Hmm or maybe the fetch call I use?
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grantcodes Zengat: also need token and auth endpoints so looping was less verbose, plus may expose the other values I get at some point
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Zegnat Oh definitely, just my tongue-in-cheek answer to your “don't think the duplicates matter for my use”. Pay no heed, haha'
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sknebel tested, DOMParser doesn#t clean it up
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Zegnat Hmm, pity
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grantcodes gross, any easy way to split on all those characters?
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grantcodes or I guess replacing them with a normal space character would be easier
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sknebel .replace() with a regex, all whitespace to single " "?
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Zegnat Define the separator in .split() as a regex group of all those chars should work
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Zegnat .split(/[ \r\t\n]/)
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Zegnat and whatever FF is in regex...
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grantcodes Regexes - another thing I dont understand :P
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Zegnat At least it will cut out the replace middle step
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grantcodes good old stackoverflow came up with .split("\\s+")
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Zegnat JS recognises that as regex instead of string? OK.
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Zegnat Note that \s matches more whitespace characters than the ones sknebel cited: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Guide/Regular_Expressions#special-white-space
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Zegnat Although at some point it might be better to give up on reinventing the entire HTML parsing and go for the easy answer.
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sknebel yeah, \s should be good enough
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grantcodes It's impossible to have whitespace in urls isn't it? So should be fine
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sknebel not urls, rel-values. but yeah, shouldn't happen
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Zegnat Give it a year and I will have published a page with rel values that break all parsers again, if my track record is anything to go by ?
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Zegnat But yeah, \s, discard all empty elements in the resulting array. You don’t even need to do .trim() then.
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grantcodes Alrighty, think that function is sorted now! I'll get it integrated properly and polyfilled in node and push an update
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grantcodes Zegnat++
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grantcodes sknebel++
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Zegnat Cool, hope I was somewhat helpful
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Zegnat Off for bed now, alarm at 5 tomorrow morning for the first train to uni. Have a good one all
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snarfed aaronpk: i just used https://tttthreads.com/ to unfurl an actual twitter thread, that i actually want to read, and not in their UI
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snarfed absurd world we live in indeed
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aaronpk heh
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sknebel Zegnat: good night!
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KartikPrabhu I am going to keep this here : https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/925117550089736192
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@zeldman “Solving only your specific problems will result in lighter, easier-to-understand code.” @rachelandrew #aeasf (twitter.com/_/status/925117550089736192)
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aaronpk selfdogfood << https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/925117550089736192
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@zeldman “Solving only your specific problems will result in lighter, easier-to-understand code.” @rachelandrew #aeasf (twitter.com/_/status/925117550089736192)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/zeldman/status/925117550089736192" to the "See Also" section of /selfdogfood
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tantek ooh that reminds me , need to follow the #aeasf tag
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KartikPrabhu I follow @zeldman and he's very good at live-tweeting imp points
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loqi.me edited /longevity (+132) "tantek added "2017-10-30 André Staltz: [https://staltz.com/the-web-began-dying-in-2014-heres-how.html The Web began dying in 2014, here's how]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek henrikcarlsson++ for http://blog.henrikcarlsson.se/2017/10/microcast-on-inline-comments-and-indieweb-cmses/ - very cool, and great use of the microcast medium
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KartikPrabhu what is microcast?
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Loqi microcast is a podcast that is shorter than typical podcasts, usually under 10 minutes long https://indieweb.org/microcast
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sknebel are 4 hour podcasts then macrocasts?
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KartikPrabhu are inline comments there marginalia?
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tantek does some math
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tantek gives up on the exaggerated use of "micro", realizes he has no place to complain about that
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tantek sknebel: perhaps megacasts
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loqi.me edited /tweetstorm (+110) "tantek added "[https://tttthreads.com/ Thread Reader] - unrolls a full Twitter thread on a single page for easier reading" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed++ wow https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aschnarfed+%40ellenbroad
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tantek what is a solution in search of a problem
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "solution in search of a problem" yet. Would you like to create it?
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snarfed went a little overboard
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snarfed had fun
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tantek wonders if we actually have all those
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tantek.com edited /antipatterns (+78) "plumbing first is a common subset of "solution in search of a problem"" (view diff)
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tantek snarfed, what do you mean by "does this even compile?" is that really a common dev/coding problem?
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tantek also confused by undefined behavior - is that a code bug or a spec bug?
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tantek is dog science just a meme-worthy renaming of pseudo-science
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tantek I think I understand "hope is not a strategy" (have heard that approach called "aspirational" for short)
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tantek CADT wow I can't even
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gRegorLove doge science?
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tantek and with that I've lost my attention span for the rest of the list
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snarfed tantek: if "does this even compile" shows up in a code review, the reviewer obviously has very low confidence in the code :P
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snarfed often used more in spirit than literally now, esp since so much code is in interpreted languages
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snarfed (but syntax errors could be similar)
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snarfed also, https://snarfed.org/2015-07-13_14722
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] I often sign off on code reviews at work with “LGTM ??” #dogscience #ihavenoideaifthisactuallyworks #notproud Also on:
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