#dev 2017-11-10

2017-11-10 UTC
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oodani Found the bug breaking Omnibear - grantcodes/micropub doesn't work properly if you have a <base>, like I do. I'll make a pull req. :)
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grantcodes oodani: I think it should be fixed with the latest version of the micropub-helper library
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oodani I'm not so sure, I checked the relevant part of the master branch and it still seemed to have the same issue. I've made the pull request, take a look?
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grantcodes There was a fair bit of discussion about base tags
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grantcodes Ok will do thanks ?
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oodani It was basically just Incorrect JavaScript™ rather than necessarily handling base tags in a semantically wrong way. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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grantcodes Ah cool, I'll merge that soon! Base tag support is very new in the library!
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aaronpk wait does Quill follow the <base> tag properly? I don't remember writing any code for that
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oodani I'm not sure, since not doing anything with the <base> tag is equivalent to correctly supporting it in my case. :P
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oodani Quill works very nicely, but it could just be ignoring <base> entirely and would still work fine.
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www.boffosocko.com created /personas (+624) "prompted by [chrisaldrich]; basic definition; links to IWC sessions" (view diff)
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Zegnat “not doing anything with the <base> tag is equivalent to correctly supporting it in” - ha, that’s an interesting test case!
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cweiske ?
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Zegnat oodani 7.5 hours ago. I did a lot of BASE element stuff last weekend but never thought to test with a BASE element that didn’t have any effect.
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cweiske you're talking about <base href=".."/>?
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Zegnat Yes, that’s what the discussion last night seemed to have been about.
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Zegnat I just continued on the last messages in this channel, but didn’t realise the last messages were over 7 hours ago
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www.boffosocko.com edited /generations (+3141) "links in see also; list of related IWC sessions with brainstorming; additional brainstorming thoughts under gen2; section for generation examples and notes" (view diff)
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@Lady_Ada_King Tempted to do a talk of 'stuff I like' with comlink, indieauth, aframe, web midi with an underlying theme of declar… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/928987121339240448 (twitter.com/_/status/928987121339240448)
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aaronpk cweiske: hmm I thought that superfeedr should be subscribing to your hub and then it'd show up here via Loqi. Tho I'm not quite sure how to tell superfeedr about your blog in the first place.
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oodani cweiske, the <base> I use on 00dani.me is actually <base href="https://00dani.me" />, which is precisely what browsers would be using anyway. (At least for URLs relative to the site root, but all my relative URLs are in that form so. Yeah.)
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oodani The only reason it's there is so that saving HTML from my site, then parsing it later, still resolves relative URLs correctly.
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oodani For example, I run commands in the form "https 00dani.dev | mf2" fairly often during development, which is useful because I've taught HTTPie about my self-signed dev certificates and so it all works out. :3
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aaronpk wow I really messed something up when I repost stuff that has html
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aaronpk weird, it must have something to do with a recent change cause all my old reposts are broken too
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aaronpk fixed. that was sneaky
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aaronpk code reuse is good, until you forget all the different places the code is used
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loqi.me created /BBS (+172) "prompted by petermolnar and dfn added by petermolnar" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /BBS (+1) "linkify ('x is y. <url>.' pattern)" (view diff)
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dgold aaronpk: curious -- what should a micropub server return in the case of a Nested Microformat Object?
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aaronpk return for what request?
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dgold if the server _accepts_ the Object, but the Object as saved won't render in a deliverable fashion
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dgold then what can the server return? 204?
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aaronpk hold on back up
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dgold (micropub.rocks test 204 - amusingly)
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aaronpk you want to reject the request?
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dgold No, i'm trying to work on it to get my endpoint to accept it.
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aaronpk also it would seem this question would apply to more than just nested microformats objects, for example if the client sent a property you didn't recognize and couldn't do anything with
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aaronpk if the endpoint is creating a post, then the response should be "201 created" and include the URL of the post
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aaronpk that's the simple answer
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dgold right, but this isn't creating a post - its creating a non-post Object, example given is a h-measure.
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aaronpk there's still a post around that h-measure
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aaronpk the post has a summary
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dgold huh. that's a value that's not included anywhere else in the test suite
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aaronpk hm true
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aaronpk you know what would be a better example here is probably the checkin object that ownyourswarm sends
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aaronpk since that looks like a normal post and also includes a "checkin" object
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dgold i've just been simplifying nanopub a _lot_, and thought I could usefully try and grab that dangling red-mark
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dgold yes, you're right
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aaronpk I used h-measure in the test suite because I hadn't figured out checkins on my site yet, and h-measure seemed like a simpler example.
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aaronpk although at this point there are now quite a few implementations that support checkins, and almost none that support h-measure
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dgold oh, by the bye, and apropos not very much: I'm using the media endpoint implementation you were kind enough to share
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aaronpk so it would seem appropriate to use checkins as the example for the test suite
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aaronpk oh cool. did I post that somewhere? I forgot
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dgold and for some damnable reason, it refuses to accept .gif files
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dgold .png, .jpg, all the rest - perfect. .gif, nope
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dgold Yes, and I just realised I don't have the source url.
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aaronpk ah found it in my gists https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/4bee1753688ca9f3036d6f31377edf14
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dgold I'd agree that a check-in would be a better representative example. I've been making nanopub start storing the lat long details now.
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aaronpk hmm it seems to have posted the gif just fine on my local copy of the media endpoint
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aaronpk I should probably add that media endpoint source to actual version control
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Loqi yea
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aaronpk anyway what's happening when you're posting a gif?
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dgold on the server side, it says Unrecognized. It returns a location, but doesn't save the gof
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jackjamieson.net created /User:Jackjamieson.net (+517) "Created page with "<span class="h-card">[http://jackjamieson.net/ <img src="http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/c850ec9240a04bd1ebf02540e4f57b73?s=125&d=default&r=g" style="width:125;float:right;margin-le..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk "Unrecognized"? and this is my media endpoint code?
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dgold "PHP message: PHP Warning: copy(): Filename cannot be empty in /opt/media/micropub.php
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dgold oh, no, that was a failure handler I wrote
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dgold its your failure handler
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dgold fwrite($fp, "Unrecognized: $type\n");
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aaronpk oh gotcha
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aaronpk what did it write to the file? it's supposed to write the mime type it didn't recognize
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dgold nothing - Unrecognized:\n
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aaronpk hm k. it's supposed to use the file extension given after that, and fall back to .txt
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aaronpk I don't see how $filename could be blank
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dgold maybe its a failure on micropub.rocks?
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aaronpk oh maybe the copy() error is saying the $file['tmp_name'] is blank
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aaronpk can you print out $_FILES and see what's there?
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aaronpk ohhh you know what
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aaronpk check your max upload filesize in php.ini
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aaronpk the gif is >2mb so if your max upload size is 2mb it'll fail
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dgold we have a winner!
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aaronpk and I just replaced test 204 with a checkin
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dgold hoorah!
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dgold I think that's me with everything except the multiparts
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aaronpk sweet
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dgold sea of green checkboxes!
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk [eddie] any chance of getting some instructions for how to build Indigenous from source? It looks like it's using some dependency management stuff I'm not familiar with.
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snarfed "Twitter's API is the internet's worst joke, Instagram seems to have an API mainly to show what outside developers can't do, and Flickr is a hollowed-out shell of its former self." ???
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snarfed https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/10/open_source_insider_firefox_57/
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sknebel in that context the mention of Flickr seems kind of out of place
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sknebel I thought Flickr was just left alone mostly the last years, without much innovation or breakage?
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snarfed or maintenance
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petermolnar today's CSS lesson: opacity settings make things funky when printing to PDF
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aaronpk no they keep changing the web UI
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aaronpk and it's gotten worse and worse each time
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sknebel oh, ok
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dgold aaronpk: how did you get the stacktrace for the iOS crash in Indigenuous?
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aaronpk opened up xcode with my phone plugged in and watched the logs
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sknebel whops, did I forget to clean that up? sorry :/
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schmarty [eddie]: getting a crash when trying to sign in on just-installed indigenous. My site uses IndieAuth for auth. I tried email code, Twitter, and Github, same results.
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dgold has just realised the behavious I saw this morning is a crash, and not a persistence error
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[eddie] aaronpk schmarty dgold: Yeah apparently something went wrong with the build. It's been working on my phone fine, but when I installed it from TestFlight it definitely is having the same issue as all of you
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dgold could be somthing apple did?
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[eddie] When it goes to TestFlight, it compiles to bitcode and then that gets built on the fly for the specific device you're downloading to, so some of my code might not be working right with that
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk: I haven't pushed the latest code up to github. I'll try to get that pushed up. The dependency library I was using wasn't working right so I decided to shift to a simpler method of just copy and paste the dependency as a folder for now. So I'll try to get that new method up onto GitHub
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk oh ok
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[eddie] Eventually the plan is to use carthage (that dependency library that the github code was using) but that would error out when uploading to iTunes connect but install fine on my local device
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[eddie] It's so strange how different the app can be between deploying to a test machine and uploading through iTunes ?
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[eddie] I guess it's kind of like a dev machine and prod machine in web dev ;)
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aaronpk weird
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aaronpk my app is very simple and I didn't have any issues like that
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aaronpk it's not Swift, and doesn't have any fancy dependency management stuff tho
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[eddie] Yeah it is very strange. I've been gone all day but I'm looking forward to sitting down and taking a look at my logs this evening and seeing what's going on with it
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aaronpk I'm getting pretty overwhelmed with the idea of consuming h-feed again
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aaronpk There seem to be two main reasons
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aaronpk 1) turns out there's a huge variety of structures of h-feed once you go and look at even a handful of sites. Compare Tantek's home page to mine to a Known site
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aaronpk 2) you can't rely on just the html of the h-feed, since some people's lists of posts show only partial data and you have to fetch the post permalinks to get the full post data
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snarfed ugh
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sknebel what is h-feed?
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Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 experiment with a top level feed object to contain h-entry posts https://indieweb.org/h-feed
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aaronpk I can smooth over #1 with a bunch of work and write it into XRay
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aaronpk but #2 is a harder problem
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snarfed 2 is harder? it seems like a lot more compute and network load, but much less dev work than 1
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snarfed also fwiw bridgy also has to handle many of these problems for its original post discovery
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aaronpk It also doesn't play well with WebSub
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snarfed true...but you can't really require websub in a reader anyway, so if you already have to implement polling...
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snarfed one piece of prior art for finding/normalizing h-feed: https://github.com/snarfed/mf2util/blob/master/mf2util.py#L748-L787
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aaronpk I don't have to implement polling in the reader if there is a shim that implements polling for me and turns it into notifications
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aaronpk e.g. superfeedr
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snarfed another: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/original_post_discovery.py#L402-L430
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snarfed ah yes true!
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snarfed superfeedr++
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aaronpk but then I can't necessarily use the contents of the WebSub notification cause I'll have to go fetch each post permalink too
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snarfed yeah but it at least removes the polling, which is arguably the bigger dev + ops task
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aaronpk yeah
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snarfed also it's definitely nice that superfeedr + microsub (hopefully) dramatically reduces your work to build a reader server
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aaronpk i was trying to sit down and start the Microsub server by letting superfeedr handle all the polling for me, but then started getting overwhelmed by all the h-feed variations
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snarfed try just blindly translating one of those two examples, see how far it gets you
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aaronpk puts on his python glasses
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aaronpk Does woodwind fetch post permalinks or just use the feed?
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snarfed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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aaronpk snarfed: I don't see how that code handles Tantek's case where he has an h-card -> h-feed -> items
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snarfed aaronpk: mf2util's? or bridgy's?
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aaronpk Either
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snarfed bridgy uses find_all_entries for h-feeds, which searches the entire tree of all child items
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aaronpk ah so it recurses?
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snarfed yes
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snarfed mf2util use find_first_entry, which uses find_all_entries (which recurses) under the hood
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aaronpk hmm k