#dev 2017-11-14

2017-11-14 UTC
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@davidcelis http://micro.blog has gotten me really interested in the world of Micropub/Webmention/Syndication but there's like… no boilerplate. it seems like i'd have to build my server from scratch (twitter.com/_/status/930282841253875712)
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tantek that seems worth a follow-up
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tantek but I'm pretty confused by the reply: https://twitter.com/brandonmblack/status/930283495519170561
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@brandonmblack @davidcelis People drove hard at this years ago, but it kind of died off. No one could seem to establish a well adopted open standard and everything else became too tightly coupled to the underlying systems. I’d love to see someone like yourself take a fresh swipe at it ? (twitter.com/_/status/930283495519170561)
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[kevinmarks] I think he's talking about websub
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: snarfed left you a message 1 day, 8 hours ago: btw http://www.indiemap.org/ is a good source for the kinds of stats you all were idly guessing about while debating authorship and representative h-card. easy to data mine w/SQL. happy to help!
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@nhoizey @AaronGustafson It looks like this doesn’t include my reposts template anymore: https://github.com/nhoizey/nicolas-hoizey.com/blob/master/_includes/webmentions.html#L20 Didn’t find why yet. (twitter.com/_/status/930369013963722752)
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Zegnat I just published my code from IWC Berlin :D https://github.com/Zegnat/php-linkextractor
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Zegnat Thanks to treora and sknebel for the discussions. Now to get it to v1 ASAP!
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Loqi [Zegnat] php-linkextractor: Class for finding all resources an HTML document links to.
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Zegnat I also, apparently, do not understand Packagist? `composer require zegnat/linkextractor` isn’t doing it for me yet *sigh*
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treora Zegnat: good work!
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aaronpk Zegnat: sometimes it takes a bit for it to show up on packagist.org
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aaronpk worked for me!
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Zegnat Cool! :D
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sknebel https://blog.twitter.com/developer/en_us/topics/tools/2017/introducing-twitter-premium-apis.html - "better" APIs for $150+/month
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schmarty oh wow
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dgold more nazis!
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dgold if I fork a package that's in php-composer, how do I use that forked package in my php?
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aaronpk you can tell it where to find other repos here https://getcomposer.org/doc/04-schema.md#repositories
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aaronpk https://getcomposer.org/doc/05-repositories.md#hosting-your-own
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Zegnat That part has always been the biggest composer headache for me. Sometimes I wish I could just do `composer require {githubURL}`.
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dgold that's what I'd hoped, Zegnat
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aaronpk i'm kind of surprised the "require" command doesn't support that
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aaronpk seems like it wouldn't be a stretch for the require command to add the appropriate stuff to the composer.json file
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Zegnat And for quick things, the amount of @dev-master I have had to write ... because the repos wouldn’t have “proper” version tags in place. Ugh.
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sknebel I think there is an extra command to add a repository via cmd
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Zegnat For big packages it is all nice and done, they are on GitHub, on Packagist, correctly linked up, etc. But for my own local workflow I find composer to be a nightmare.
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aaronpk Zegnat: you get used to it. i've been publishing more and more on packagist.
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Zegnat I used git-flow for linkextractor now. That takes care of the tagging. So one less thing to worry about.
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sknebel that's something basically all packaging systems don't do very well IMHO
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sknebel (of course it doesn't help that every single one is slightly different...)
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dgold i hate to ask - git-flow?
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Zegnat git-flow (or git-flow-avh for better support) is an extension for git that gives you some short commands for following a specific branching model: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
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sknebel What is git-flow?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "git-flow" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel What is git flow?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "git flow" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat Not sure which name to prefer for the wiki
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Zegnat What is git-flow?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "git-flow" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat git-flow (or git-flow (AVH) for better support) is an extension for git that gives you some short commands for following a specific branching model: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
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Zegnat git-flow is an extension for git that gives you some short commands for following a specific branching model: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /git-flow (+193) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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sknebel nice, Kaja left that one alone
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sknebel seems like the fix worked
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Zegnat I am fixing the def by hand now
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vanderven.se martijn edited /git-flow (+107) "How is this?" (view diff)
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Zegnat What is git-flow?
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Loqi git-flow (or git-flow (AVH Edition)) is a collection of Git extensions for following a popular branching model of the same name https://indieweb.org/git-flow
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Zegnat git-flow << https://jeffkreeftmeijer.com/git-flow/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://jeffkreeftmeijer.com/git-flow/" to the "See Also" section of /git-flow
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loqi.me edited /git-flow (+58) "/* See Also */ new section" (view diff)
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dgold aaronpk: so I do the regular require &c, then change the composer.json to point to the new source, then composer update?
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Zegnat git-flow << https://danielkummer.github.io/git-flow-cheatsheet/
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loqi.me edited /git-flow (+54) "Zegnat added "https://danielkummer.github.io/git-flow-cheatsheet/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://danielkummer.github.io/git-flow-cheatsheet/" to the "See Also" section of /git-flow
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Zegnat That’ll do. Sorry for spamming -dev. But those links are nice if you want to have a look at how you can manage your git usage, dgold
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dgold those are very helpful, Zegnat, thank you
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dgold reading some links; other than the git-flow toolset, I appear to always have been using git-flow concepts anyway
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dgold I always branch to start a feature, then close the branch when its done - what I've not been doing is a develop/master dichotomy
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Zegnat The pretty nice thing is that the git extensions can handle a lot of it for you. E.g. `git flow feature start my-great-new-thing`. Then you can just do `git flow feature finish` while on that branch and it’ll take care of the merges and branch removal etc.
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Zegnat LinkExtractor is my first “serious” use of the extensions. I liked it especially because `git flow release finish` also creates the git tag, which is necessary for Packagist.
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dgold now that is handy to know
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dgold does installing git-flow muck up anything not using it?
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dgold (memories of hg 'patches' and 'mods')
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Zegnat No
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Zegnat The extension simply adds a set of commands under the git library that you access through `git flow [command]`
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dgold sebsel++ for the irc-bot post
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dgold sknebel++ for the same
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dgold i've got all my books/reading stuff now handled by tiktok thanks to those fine posts of both
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sknebel cool!
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dgold cuts way down on server overhead too
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dgold php >> js
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[miklb] I find this git work flow useful too http://www.git-town.com
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dgold sknebel: its been loads of fun - script does googlebooksAPI searches, fills in all the details on my booksdb, and since last night sends a note to my blog confirming I've started reading a new book
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k_naming_convention (+27) "/* Unused Names */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+167) "/* Apps */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Independent_Publisher (+253) "structure a bit, add issues link for findability" (view diff)
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aaronpk well that was fun
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aaronpk just made my own mini-superfeedr https://github.com/aaronpk/Watchtower
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Loqi [aaronpk] Watchtower: a minimal API for watching web pages for changes, roughly speaks the WebSub protocol
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk snarfed++ for the polling tier idea again
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snarfed yay good
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Loqi :D
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snarfed out of curiosity, why reinvent superfeedr?
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aaronpk 2 reasons
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aaronpk the subscriber pricing isn't actually cheap, it's $1 for 10 feeds
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aaronpk that'll add up quickly even just for myself, not to mention if I ever let any other people use this reader
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aaronpk but I figured I would give it a shot at the beginning to bootstrap the rest of this project, so I signed up and tried to add some feeds
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snarfed wait, what? that doesn't sound right. i thought subscriber pricing was by # of notifs
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aaronpk but.. I couldn't get it to actually deliver anything
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snarfed e.g. bridgy is subscribed to 215ish feeds, ~3k notifs/mo, all within the free tier
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aaronpk https://superfeedr.com/subscriber#pricing
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aaronpk "Every 30 days, we look at the maximum number of feeds to which you subscribed since the last invoice and we’ll bill you according to the table on the right. "
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snarfed confusing. definitely not how bridgy has been billed (or not billed, more accurately)
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aaronpk the "tracker" pricing is different
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aaronpk https://superfeedr.com/tracker
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snarfed yeah but it's not using that
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aaronpk from feb: https://blog.superfeedr.com/updated-pricing/
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/master/superfeedr.py
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snarfed ahhhh ok. maybe i'm grandfathered in
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aaronpk that could be
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snarfed yeah. "Finally, even though this pricing should almost always mean lower invoices for our existing customers, we offer them the ability to remain on the current pricing for as long as they want."
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aaronpk ah well
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tantek !tell Zegnat is there a place on the IWC Berlin wiki page where it lists all the demos / code produced for it like your https://github.com/Zegnat/php-linkextractor ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Zegnat] php-linkextractor: Class for finding all resources an HTML document links to.