#dev 2017-11-15

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aaronpk Alright made some awesome progress on Monocle today!
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aaronpk Gonna hopefully publish a microcast episode about it tomorrow or thursday
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[eddie] Awesome, congrats aaronpk! The Microsub stuff is all very easy but my Microsub Server got put on hold because the parsing stuff was so difficult!
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[eddie] So I’m impressed with your h-feed parsing and polling server progress
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aaronpk [eddie]: totally
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aaronpk You're welcome to use XRay for that if you want
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aaronpk Splitting up the feed parsing from fetching was definitely the right call
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tantek aaronpk Monocle Mark II?
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[eddie] aaronpk: Yeah, with your progress, when I finish up my active work on Indigenous, then I'll probably switch back and install Xray locally and use some of your hardwork :)
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aaronpk ?
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ancarda I have a question around WebMentions and redirects; if the source sends me into an infinite loop (to try and be malicious), would that carry on until the curl timeout? Should I disable all redirects, or limit to something reasonable?
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cweiske every client I know of has a redirection limit
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cweiske at around 5 or 20
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ancarda Alright, thank you!
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ancarda Hopefully I’ll have my IndieWebsite up sometime this year
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cweiske you should publish early, even if most of the features you wish for are missing
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Loqi I agree
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ancarda Even if WebMentions aren’t working yet?
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ancarda I suppose I can log them to a file for now, then follow up later once the system is working
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tantek indeed
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cweiske you could also delegate webmention receiving to a hosted service for now until you have your own code running
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cweiske https://webmention.io/ is the keyword here
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ancarda Alright, I’ll work on Microformats then :) I already have some content
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cweiske all that matters in my eyes is that you publish what you have to say. everything else is sugar coating
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cweiske even microformats are not a must to get your content published
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ancarda I need to buy a server first haha, but I can have something up by the weekend. Unfortunately I spend a lot of time afk so it’ll take some time for anything to be live
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Loqi rofl
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ancarda But I salvaged over 600 posts from the silo I spent 3 years posting to, so I’d like to put that live
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ancarda Are any of your websites open source? I was thinking of putting mine on GitLab (MIT license) as Zegnat seemed interested in how I was building it (e.g. the blog post editor I’m working on saves drafts automatically when you finish typing)
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ancarda Although, isn’t that putting data into another silo? (We need h-repo and u-commit)
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cweiske mine is not, voxpelli's should be IIRC
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cweiske I just my git repos on my own server
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cweiske but yes, using gitlab and github to host your code is siloing again
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cweiske I mirror my public git repos to github though
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cweiske posseing if you will
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ancarda Hmm, that could work
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ancarda I will not host my own emails or DNS though, been there - it’s not worth the hassle
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cweiske it's hard, yes
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cweiske but by having my own DNS server I could implement my own dyndns
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cweiske https://cweiske.de/tagebuch/ssh-dyndns.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] DynDNS via SSH
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ancarda I was hosting my own so I could have CAA records and SSHFP (needs DNSSEC). CAA is now widely supported and SSHFP wasn’t that useful to me in the end
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ancarda Anyway, half the time my website would be down and it was always BIND needed restarting. I never figured out why it was broken
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ancarda cweiske: that’s really cool!
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cweiske Zegnat, re testing - the elephant in the room is phpunit. why not use that?
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cweiske what do you gain from phpspec that phpunit has not?
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ancarda I haven’t worked much with phpunit so I can’t comment, possibly easier mocking?
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ancarda Do you think phpunit is better? My current site is built using phpspec but I could look into unit more
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ancarda It’s a pain sometimes, I’ve had to work around it more than once :/ we use it at work so it’s something I have experience with
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cweiske i have not used phpspec yet
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Zegnat I just need an easy way to pump HTML in and get a list out, and do that a lot with different inputs. I have no real preference for a framework.
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 37 minutes ago: is there a place on the IWC Berlin wiki page where it lists all the demos / code produced for it like your https://github.com/Zegnat/php-linkextractor ?
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ancarda cweiske, Zegnat: I wrote a very quick sample of what a class and a test often looks like: https://pastebin.com/W5wvbwJ4 this is with mocking an injected database object
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ancarda It's a bit messy, but hopefully gives an idea of what phpspec looks like? I'll look into phpunit
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Zegnat All those shouldReturns are what I do not look forward to writing... So I would end up in a place where I am going to be generating the test files dynamically then
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ancarda One thing I do like is you write the test first, run phpspec, and it'll create empty functions for you, so it can somewhat make it nicer to work with
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Zegnat Also, big blobs of HTML in the PHP test files...
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cweiske I would keep the html files separate
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cweiske any only load them in the test
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cweiske you could make it even easier by having a test.html and text.urls files
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Zegnat Yeah, that’s basically what I have
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Zegnat Just need a way to automate the testing of that
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cweiske and the test would load both files, parsing test.html and comparing the result with the list of urls line-separated in test.urls
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Zegnat Will any of the test frameworks actually help me do that. Or am I going to write my own automation within PHPUnit/phpspec?
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Zegnat In the case of the latter, I may as well not use a framework
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cweiske let me code something up
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Zegnat I guess my main gripe is that I do not want to learn and conform to a testing framework if I am going to have to write 100% own logic to then handle my cases. Could just stick with phpt files then.
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cweiske phpunit gives you nice diffs: http://p.cweiske.de/513
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cweiske Zegnat, https://github.com/cweiske/php-linkextractor/commit/d9816b38a4b731e22dc144cde504f51c8a12f3ea
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cweiske or rather https://github.com/cweiske/php-linkextractor/commit/8bb40a6df6dc2a656fd1f29aec3ac35e0f6a2841
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cweiske it would expect a three-set of .html, .url and .urls file for each test case
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ancarda That looks better than phpspec, I was just reading the manual, I like @dataprovider
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ancarda Will that run `testExtract` for each item in the array returned by `filesProvider`?
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cweiske yes
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ancarda That's pretty cool
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Zegnat I am probably going to lift that from you and work on it on my commute home. Thanks cweiske!
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Zegnat cweiske++
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Zegnat Didn’t know I could make PHPUnit do the looping for me, That’s basically what I needed!
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cweiske @dataProvider is pretty helpful
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cweiske you can even return iterators that lazy-load data on access
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ancarda What do you think I should do about models? phpspec would have me mock the database object when I'm testing my blog class, is that the right approach?
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Zegnat I guess that would be memory efficient if the HTML files get too big, haha
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Loqi haha
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ancarda I've always been uncomfortable with that because I don't actually test if the SQL is correct
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ancarda Maybe run a script to create tables with a test_ prefix, assert they're empty (and were created correctly), run functions to create data, assert there's some data returned?
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cweiske you could use sqlite for testing
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cweiske when starting the test, run you migration/schema setup in an in-memory sqlite database
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cweiske then do your queries
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cweiske done
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aaronpk Zegnat: take a look at the tests in XRay, I suspect that's similar to what you want to achieve
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Zegnat Will do aaronpk
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aaronpk All the html (and http headers since I also have tests for redirect handling) are in files, and the library knows how to retrieve from that file instead of make an http request when the tests are running https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/tree/master/tests/data/source.example.com
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GWG Morning.
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Loqi guten morgen
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loqi.me created /FHIR (+100) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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Zegnat Kaja++
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aaronpk woo, running php 5.6 and 7.1 side by side
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[eddie] ? ?
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[miklb] this looks neat https://teletype.atom.io
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[eddie] Oh wow, that does look cool
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grantcodes And on the same day VSCode announce the same thing!
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grantcodes https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2017/11/15/live-share
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[miklb] ha!
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[eddie] hmmm I have an Indigenous user who has a profile at the root of their domain. Their blog is at domain/blog/. Their authorization server is set at domain/blog/ (it's indieauth), their twitter rel=me is set on their root domain.
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[eddie] I don't think they've ever fully use indieauth/micropub yet. Because I don't see a way for the connections to successfully be made
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[eddie] So I think the biggest question is what is the best recommendation to make to them. I'm assuming it's adding the endpoint code to the root of their domain
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[eddie] But then I guess the me value will be the root domain and I need to find out if their wordpress plugin will allow the root domain
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[eddie] Is there anyway to add to domain/blog/ to say "hey my identity is over there" and point to the root domain? or is that not a thing?
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[eddie] Ohhh nevermind. I think I might see a solution if it's snarfed's wordpress micropub plugin. I'll have to find out what plugin they are using
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[chrisaldrich] eddie I don't think there are any other Micropub plugins for WordPress other than the one you mentioned.
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[eddie] Ahh good to know, thanks chrisaldrich
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[chrisaldrich] are you working on authentication?
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[eddie] Yeah, they are having issues authenticating. I think they need to add the endpoint urls to their main domain
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[eddie] that way they authenticate with indieauth, and the wordpress micropub should accept them as long as their profile url matches their root domain
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[chrisaldrich] It seems like the rel-me issue for this had been solved before so one could have their h-card/rel-me on one page but a blog feed on another.
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[eddie] Well, if the user enters their root domain in IndieAuth.com, they can login, but there isn't a micropub endpoint on the root domain
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[chrisaldrich] the only issue I could see one having is if they've got two separate wordpress installs: one at root and a separate one at /blog/
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[eddie] Ohh yeah thankfully not the case here
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[eddie] so that's where my app dies
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[eddie] the homepage seems to be static html
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[chrisaldrich] I know there was discussion of having an h-card on one page with a "fuller" one on a separate page at /rel-me IIRC
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[eddie] Oh, awesome. I'll take a look at that too. Thanks ?
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[chrisaldrich] If they do have a static page on root and a WP install at /blog/ then their problem is the rough equivalent of having two separate WP installs at each.
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[chrisaldrich] They might remedy the issue by manually adding the line: <link rel="micropub" href="http://example.com/blog?micropub=endpoint"> to the header of their static site if they need it for micropub.
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[chrisaldrich] (Or whatever the micropub endpoint is on their WP install at /blog/)
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[chrisaldrich] I have to think someone has run across this before and snarfed, pfefferle, or GWG have accounted for it somewhere?
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tantek Awesome that people are just showing up and creating their user pages!
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eli_oat Does anyone know of documentation for [omnibear](https://omnibear.com)? I'm interested in adding support for reacji, but not certain of what to add to my endpoint. The enty on indieweb.org is pretty sparse: https://indieweb.org/Omnibear
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sknebel eli_oat: don't think there is more
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sknebel do you want to add support to omnibear or does it not work with your site?
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eli_oat1 it isn't working with my site
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eli_oat1 It used to, but doesn't any longer
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eli_oat1 And the error message isn't helping me figure out what is happening
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sknebel what is the error?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "error" yet. Would you like to create it?
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eli_oat1 Just "Error posting Note" or whatever type I'm attempting to post
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sknebel what is reacji?
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Loqi reacji is an emoji reaction, the use of a single emoji character in response to a post, introduced as a feature by Slack[1] https://indieweb.org/reacji
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sknebel you could try posting an emoji manually or with a different client?
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eli_oat1 It isn't an issue with emoji. I can post them just fine using quill and the micro.blog app. The issue seems to be that I can't post anything with omnibear
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eli_oat1 which is almost certainly a problem with my micropub endpoint
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sknebel oh you can't post anything
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sknebel tried logging in again?
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sknebel other than that, hard to debug without logs. you can debug the extension locally and see what responses it gets as well
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eli_oat1 HARK!
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eli_oat1 I feel like an idiot
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eli_oat1 signing in and out fixed everything
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Zegnat Did you switch token endpoint at some point maybe? That would’ve made the token in Omnibear’s memory go stale, and I am not sure it actually checks for anything like that
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eli_oat1 I upgraded to a new version of FF, which may have impacted something?
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sknebel chrisaldrich++ for regular work on the indieweb for journalism article!
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sknebel what is a webhook?
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Loqi A webhook is a mechanism for notifying a server about updates to some content in realtime by making an HTTP request https://indieweb.org/webhook
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Reading.am (+25) "clarify that for web content" (view diff)
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Zegnat Reading.am << https://www.reading.am/footnotes/url - Webhook documentation
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.reading.am/footnotes/url - Webhook documentation" to the "See Also" section of /Reading.am
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Zegnat Reading.am << https://twitter.com/martijnvdven/status/930878863302971392 Current Firefox extension is outdated
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@martijnvdven @reading are you planning on releasing a new Firefox addon that is compatible with the WebExtensions APIs? Right now users of the new Firefox are unable to use reading.am ? (twitter.com/_/status/930878863302971392)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/martijnvdven/status/930878863302971392 Current Firefox extension is outdated" to the "See Also" section of /Reading.am
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loqi.me edited /Reading.am (+99) "Zegnat added "https://twitter.com/martijnvdven/status/930878863302971392 Current Firefox extension is outdated" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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@benjaminparry ? Homebrewing again - Attempting an automated POSSE webmention via brid.gy at tonight’s Homebrew Website Club: http://benjamin.parry.is/collecting/thoughts/2017/11/homebrewing-again/ (twitter.com/_/status/930889059744002048)
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martymcgui.re uploaded /File:baltimore-digital-harbor-foundation-tech-center-sq.jpg "Brick building exterior with chrome sign reading Digital Harbor Foundation Tech Center https://indieweb.org/File:baltimore-digital-harbor-foundation-tech-center-sq.jpg"
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@ChrisAldrich For citations, @Regina2SU, you could use the W3C's Webmention protocol for sending/receiving notifications https://indieweb.org/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/930891469547765760)
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tantek hmm our /WebRTC page is a bit thin, and does not indicate IndieWeb significance (if any)
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tantek like we should at least list directly the WebRTC tools we have used for remote participation - talky.io, appear.in, any others?
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tantek static site folks might be interested in this: https://github.com/strugee/lazymention
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Loqi [strugee] lazymention: Support WebSub and Webmention on a static site
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schmarty strugee++ nice service!
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