j12tGoal would be that even somebody only moderately confident in their abilities to complicated tech stuff can be successful simply by following detailed instructinos.
j12ttantek -- what would be really useful (once I'm a bit further along) is to try out these trails, see what I missed / got wrong / didn't explain properly ... I'm going through all the steps myself right now, signing up for new accounts etc etc but experience shows I will miss substantial things :-)
Loqi[IndieWeb WordPress Outreach Club] Description
This plugin is based on the idea and code of @snarfed:
One big IndieWeb raison d’être is using your own web site to reply,
like, repost, and RSVP to posts and events. You do this by annotating links on your site with simple microfo...
[miklb]one time fork. I don’t think there is going to be much effort put into the Press This. I think they are going a different direction and possibly moving it into a Jetpack feature.
tanteksnarfed, indeed those kinds of changes (substantial redesign) tend to be a reason people learn to avoid habitual upgrades, nevermind breaking key functionality like a smooth bookmarklet Press This user flow. kinda shocking
snarfedeh change is the only constant, updates are important for security and bug fixes, and the new redesign in this case actually was significantly better.
[miklb]I didn’t realize they had redesigned it. I thought it had been pretty static for quite some time. I know there have been talks about doing something similar with the REST-API but not sure where that went.
sknebelyou guys don't think you can get the bookmarklet functionality added back as an "interim solution" until they get extensions figured out (which might take ages, but that's the reason to have a "temporary solution"? I get the issues with bookmarklets, but they still work mostly...
snarfedsknebel: sure we can. it's all code, anything's doable. it was just very low on my todo list before, and i'm grumpy about it maybe having to prioritize it now.
tanteksnarfed, re: "updates are important for security and bug fixes", what happens when an update introduces a *worse* bug (e.g. breaking Press This bookmarklet) than what it may happen to have fixed, whether security or otherwise?
tantekit's all about time and effort, and when the update *wastes* your time and effort by breaking something that made you more efficient, then it should be avoided
tantekthere is no "updates are always best" absolute. it is about time & effort, and often updates are not worth the time & effort, or worse, cost you additional continuous time & effort
snarfedre security, in general you're significantly more secure updating than staying on old, unpatched software. security is also herd immunity and community responsibility.
tanteksecurity is also not an absolute as we've discussed before, there are (potentially, likely) ways of mitigating nearly any security "issue" that's resolved, often at additional layers (defense in depth etc.)
snarfedeh yes but that's probably unusual. again, the vast majority of users don't have skill/time/effort to add either their own security *or* maintain their own features, etc
snarfedso for everyone who's not highly technical, i try to keep the message simple: update apps and use 2fa. (yes, ideally non-sms.) there are downsides to both, but definitely more upsides.
snarfedalso on a philosophical note, change really is the only constant. if you try to keep things the same forever, you're bound to be disappointed. be clear eyed and realistic about how much external change you try to fight or prevent. :P
Loqi[Iiterature] @pfrazee @team_slava @jessewldn @Truebitprotocol @chain @kin_foundation @PROPSproject @VoltzRoad @zeligf @joincolony @relevantfeed @dat_project Let's be explicit about the benefits and tradeoffs. Also the potential for incentives that tokens introduc...
tantekthree tweeters in that thread, only one has their own website, zero of them post to their own decentralized websites (or other discernible solution) and instead, ALL of them ONLY post to the centralized Twitter service
tantekDear those tweeting about "decentralization" on Twitter and presenting yourself as an expert and/or knowledgeable in anything decentralization, scaling, etc.:
tantekYour decentralizaztion tweets have zero credibility until you are posting even just simple "notes" (AKA tweets) on your own decentralized solution (like your own website) instead of only on the centralized Twitter service.
[eddie]Is there any place that details silo.pub besides https://silo.pub/developers ? Specifically I'm wondering if it returns the URL of the post after it's posted to use for syndication links But I can't seem to find any info on that
tanteksnafed, (perhaps this should go in meta or chat), re: "change really is the only constant", I disagree from a framing perspective, as the important aspect is not change, but time.
[eddie]Cool. I've been using bridgy publish, but that requires me to post, rebuild my jekyll site, and then do a webmention. silo.pub seems to have a wider span of support (specifically thinking about Goodreads and GitHub) AND I can have it happen during my micropub receive step so that the syndication URL can get baked into my posts. ? So I think I might transition over to that for my POSSE
tantekthere are strong economic reasons to deliberately slowing the changes thrown at you (e.g. $ : fewer purchase over a period of time, less time spent waiting for updates on various devices etc.)
tantekso no, change is not a constant, it's just non-zero, and it is heavily malleable at your discretion, for personally improving your freedom (time), and agency ($)
[miklb]eddie the syndication links part was awkward with brid.gy. I was storing the response from brid.gy as _data files and then grabbing the url for my posts, requiring another round trip through my CI/GH/server workflow
tantekre: SMS TFA in particular, I just had to help someone recover their Amazon account that had a phone number setup with it, and there were actually *bugs* in their account recovery flow that only exhibited when you gave amazon a phone number
[eddie]miklb: Yeah, it's tricky with Jekyll. I do manually webmentions right now through visiting the telegraph.p3k.io website so I basically don't have any syndication links happening when I syndicate to Twitter, I just do back syndication links to the original content. Definitely not the way I want to keep doing it ? haha
tantekso I'll say it once again, I strongly recommend *against* giving your phone number to any silo, because 1) they default to increasing your vuln with SMS account recovery, and now 2) their account recovery may actually be *more* buggy when you give them a phone number
tantekwith silos, be lazy, and give them as little info as possible, because you can assume more users are lazy than not, and therefore the "lazy user" user flows are more tested, ergo, more reliable, ergo, more efficient (time savings) for you when "things go bad"
[miklb]eddie gotcha. I was using the webmention.io jekyll plugin and brid.gy in my Rake deploy script. Was less than ideal, but that plugin has gotten a lot of love since.
snarfedtantek: agreed! please also encourage non-SMS 2FA also when you say that though. it's a huge step for individual security, and vast majority of silos support non-SMS 2FA.
[chrisaldrich]reads logs and can't help but think re: Tantek quote above: "The first rule of decentralization: We don't Tweet about decentralization. The second rule of decentralization...."
Loqi[tantek] Re: "A solution using pure CSS for categories might be feasible if we could somehow layer JavaScript content over a common JavaScript and non-JavaScript CSS base."
I think that's a good approach. The categories themselves can be fairly mechanicall...
[manton]So, thought I'd redirect /next-iwc on the wiki to the Austin page. But now the "Berlin" link in the sidebar goes there. ? Is it possible for me to update that sidebar for events, or does someone else need to do that?
tantekbiggest questions I'd have are, 1 can you nest objects, and 2 are plural valued properties as easily listed as just multiple lines with the same key or do you have to add more punctuation?
ZegnatI always found YAML to be a bit of a mess because of the huge variations in how you can write things. Have also had trouble finding proper libraries to handle it in PHP, most only implement an older version or a subset of the YAML spec :/
ZegnatAs I said, YAML is actually a pain. It only looks nice in front matter because people mostly stick to a flat associative array with the occasional nested array ;)
aaronpkI actually use a relatively simple version of yaml for my storage. I store things as single values unless there are multiple, and I have code that knows how to deal with the difference when I retrieve values
ZegnatHuh. Reading some random parts of the spec. I *think* YAML can have arrays as associative array KEYS... i.e.: {['this','is','a','key']:['for','these','values']}
ZegnatI remember some of this stuff. I wanted to make my file storage 100% YAML. Most parsers already had issue with multi-YAML documents (a file can have several YAML documents split by “---”), I also had some differences between different libraries exports and imports. Gave up on YAML.
ZegnatI seem to recall YAML 1.0 was a bit more what people think YAML is. But I have never looked into their actual parsing rules so no clue how wild the nesting can get.
ZegnatI guess it has more lenient escaping rules for strings, which arguably makes it easier to author than JSON. And writing arrays as an actual visual list is nice. But otherwise? Write JSON.
ancardaI’d appreciate feedback on my h-card, or anything else, if there’s something I should change? One validator I ran it through did suggest adding u-email, I’ll do that soon. My domain is https://markdain.net/
ZegnatI’d include a link to https://markdain.net/ within the h-card too. To make it clear that this is the h-card that goes with the domain. (In case you ever add another h-card to the front page, e.g. of a company or in a person-tag)
tantek.comdeleted /FHIR "content was stub that did not relate to indieweb in anyway, "better left to Wikipedia" per [[wikifying#What_should_not_go_on_the_wiki]] (enwp.org/FHIR). Recreate only if going to define it in terms of its indieweb specific relevance"
[kevinmarks] We used moinmoin for the Technorati wiki before we switched to mediawiki for microformats.org
upon2020.com edited /style-guide (+67) "Added Indie Website convention. Tentative. Unless somebody complains. And picks something better :-)" (view diff)
jjuran.org edited /style-guide (+229) "/* The Indie Web */ Add "IndieWeb" proper noun item, tweak "indieweb"" (view diff)
j12t tantek: a few ideas: 1) a single landing page for howto/tutorials: https://indieweb.org/Tutorials (work in progress, as everything)
www.boffosocko.com edited /ZenPress (+127) "prompted by [chrisaldrich]; links; wordpress template" (view diff)
@dailyJsPackages get-webmention-url - Get a Webmention endpoint from a URL http://dailyjspackages.com/pkg/get-webmention-url #npm #javascript #nodejs (twitter.com/_/status/931575714406649863)
@nodenpm get-webmention-url (1.0.0): https://npmjs.com/package/get-webmention-url Get a Webmention endpoint from a URL (twitter.com/_/status/931575878517186561)
tantek !tell j12t also consider joining the WordPress Outreach Club which helps folks onboard with WordPress and such: https://indieweb.org/WordPress_Outreach_Club
[eddie] Is there any place that details silo.pub besides https://silo.pub/developers ? Specifically I'm wondering if it returns the URL of the post after it's posted to use for syndication links But I can't seem to find any info on that
[chrisaldrich] reads logs and can't help but think re: Tantek quote above: "The first rule of decentralization: We don't Tweet about decentralization. The second rule of decentralization...."
Loqi IndieWebCamp Austin 2017 is on 2017-12-09 at Capital Factory https://indieweb.org/IWC_Austin
Zegnat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAML#Example - has nested properties under the customer property
ancarda I’d appreciate feedback on my h-card, or anything else, if there’s something I should change? One validator I ran it through did suggest adding u-email, I’ll do that soon. My domain is https://markdain.net/
tantek.com edited /POSSE (+153) "provide current working link for diso interview, and internet archive link for original" (view diff)