#dev 2017-11-26

2017-11-26 UTC
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GWG snarfed: I saw your comment.
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snarfed GWG: great!
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GWG snarfed: Expect more PRs from me at some point.
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snarfed ok! feel free to check with me first so we're on the same page before you start coding
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snarfed but your call
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snarfed also feel free to make that change yourself if you're already in there!
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GWG snarfed: I want to add the features already in issues.
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snarfed ok! which?
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GWG snarfed: The ones that align most closely with WordPress.
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GWG The settings UI, for one. Draft options. Etc
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snarfed settings ui is https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/72 ?
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Loqi [snarfed] #72 add settings UI for auth endpoints
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snarfed draft is https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/49 ?
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Loqi [dshanske] #49 Post Status and Visibility
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snarfed that one looks straightforward
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snarfed auth ui one looks straightforward too. you'll want to check with miklb first
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GWG So, all things that would improve the usage of WordPress and Micropub together.
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GWG I'm worried about Gutenberg making custom Post UI elements more difficult. Better Micropub hedges against that.
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GWG Another thing, for the same reason, on my list is looking at Indieweb Press This, which I've never done anything with.
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snarfed hoo boy yes, esp since wp 4.9 totally broke it :(
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GWG snarfed: Well, they pulled Press This out. So we need an independent solution.
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GWG snarfed: What if I rewrote it to send the bookmarklet to Post Kinds?
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snarfed GWG: go for it!
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GWG snarfed: I could get interest from the people annoyed that Press This was pulled out of WordPress 4.9
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snarfed btw the problem wasn't really that they moved press this to a plugin, it's that they also disabled the bookmarklet altogether
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GWG snarfed: It is coming back
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GWG snarfed: They disabled the thing the bookmarklet sent to, I thought wp-admin/press.this.php?
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GWG My assumption is that if they implement the same functionality, the bookmarklet will be possible with a configuration change.
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snarfed ok! i haven't followed it closely
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GWG snarfed: Apparently, Matt intervened. The bookmarklet will return till a browser extension is built.
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[miklb] I wonder what a WordPress Safari browser extension would look like and if micropub could be hacked into it…
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[miklb] does IE even have an extension/plugin architecture?
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GWG On a positive note, it is kraftbj who is running that project.
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[miklb] GWG meta boxes are in Gutenburg now and in my brief testing, post kinds seems to work fine.
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GWG [miklb]: Still, like to be prepared
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[kevinmarks] Scary parsing discrepancies https://justi.cz/security/2017/11/14/couchdb-rce-npm.html
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Zegnat We already know JSON parsing is hard http://seriot.ch/parsing_json.php
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Zegnat Thankfully it isn't YAML
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@derhess Finally, after a few weeks... my report about our HWC #Berlin meetup about #webmentions http://derhess.de/2017/11/26/notes-from-hwc-berlin-10-about-webmentions/ #indieweb @IndieWebCampDE #webdev #api #content #semantic #data #socialmedia #decentralized #technology (twitter.com/_/status/934848301450649600)
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seblog.nl edited /Laravel (+26) "adding dates to the statements" (view diff)
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sebsel Working with Laravel at work now, so investigating a switch with Seblog, but not yet sure about it all.
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sebsel I do want to fix the general buggyness of my site (don't we all)
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aaronpk Nice
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aaronpk I've been enjoying it
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aaronpk (Laravel, not the buggyness of your site)
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sebsel haha
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Loqi nice
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sebsel Yeah I notice I don't use any UI from the Kirby CMS now, so in a way I'm not really using the Kirby CMS, only the Kirby Framework. And it's just not that good at being a framework.
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schmarty aaronpk: (and other folks that use framework-y PHP). after some success with a simple webmention.io receiver in PHP, i am interested in doing more PHP stuff w/ my site. i see that many of your PHP projects are either Laravel- or Slim-based. Do you have any current feelings about these?
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aaronpk Laravel is a more complete framework, it includes a database ORM, caching, a job queue, a template system, etc etc. Slim is just the router part so you'll need to put a lot more pieces together yourself with that
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aaronpk If a more DIY approach is your thing, Slim might be better. But also check out Plates and Route from the php league
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schmarty the current project(s) are for little micro-service-like webhooks like the one i just made for receiving webmention.io data.
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schmarty ooh, i had not heard of Plates and Route before, will check those out.
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schmarty my bigger project right now is a webhook that gets notified of new git commits on my site repo, pulls down those commits, and builds the site.
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schmarty so a job system for those bits sounds good
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aaronpk Course if you want a minimal job queue, check out my Caterpillar repo ;-)
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schmarty i also want to add in intermediate steps like fetching /link-preview content for posts that are in-reply-to other posts on the web, which should also be job-y.
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schmarty haha, I have my eye on Caterpillar for sure. :}
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Loqi hehe
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schmarty i plan to have it only work with flat files, so Laravel feels like too much at the moment.
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aaronpk I tend to use Laravel when I'm making something that will use at least a few of its major features and would be considered a full "app"
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schmarty thanks for the insights!
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sebsel bookmarks along
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aaronpk I use the small building blocks for smaller utilities, like my latest Watchtower which doesn't even have a UI
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schmarty ah, and Compass runs on Lumen, which is a more minimalist framework from Laravel?
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sebsel I believe the goal of Lumen is to be a small variant of Laravel. Any Lumen application can be used with a Laravel vendor folder and still run, so the upgrade is very easy
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aaronpk I think Lumen is deprecated. They rolled most of it into Laravel.
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aaronpk It started as a fork of Laravel meant for APIs
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schmarty oh, right. i think i remember reading about Lumen being deprecated. :|
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Zegnat I am with aaronpk on the “use [framework] when I'm making something that will use at least a few of its major features”. Most of the time I find I don’t need a full framework and much rather pull in just the parts I do need.
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schmarty has deja vu about intending to pick up a PHP framework :}
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Zegnat Slim is pretty good for normalising a router with PSR-7 compatible HTTP Request and Response objects. Which is pretty nice, and I find it is the basis I want for most sites.
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sebsel I got my homepage in Laravel's Blade-template now, just to get a feel for it.
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sebsel Turns out there is a loooot of logic in my templates that shouldn't be there.
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Zegnat For licit.li I just pull the parts I wanted in separately: FastRoute for routing (which is the code that is used by several frameworks anyway) and Nyholm/psr7 for the HTTP objects.
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sebsel The h-card in the header is one big pile of if-statements to apply mf2-fields when needed :P
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aaronpk grantcodes++ thx for the github isseus, all fixed! (I hope)
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Loqi grantcodes has 4 karma in this channel (6 overall)
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grantcodes Great thanks!
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grantcodes The only other little one I've run into is you can add the same feed with and without a trailing slash as well
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Zegnat “with and without a trailing slash” are two different URLs, so, sounds correct?
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aaronpk oh yea huh, I should normalize those too
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aaronpk not for the root domain
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Zegnat Ah, no, not for root domains, true!
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aaronpk technically http://example.com isn't a complete URL because there is no path component
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Zegnat I was thinking of e.g. WordPress feed URLs that all end in /feed/
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aaronpk yea /feed and /feed/ are different and I won't make any assumptions about that
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Zegnat I see too many people making assumptions about that. Those trailing slashes aren’t optional, but because of years of URL rewriting some people treat them as if they are
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aaronpk yea
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sebsel one of my troubles with Kirby: https://seblog.nl/blog, https://seblog.nl/blog/ and https://seblog.nl/blog//////// are all the same
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aaronpk without redirecting?
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sebsel No, it's just serving the page.
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aaronpk eep
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Zegnat I was unhappy with several ways Kirby does routing and treats HTTP requests
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aaronpk file a bug? you can always cite the google SEO reason for not wanting to serve duplicate content at a bunch of URLs
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sknebel sebsel was as well, if I remember the later stages of the private webmention experiments
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sebsel I broke so many things while trying to get webmentions to work properly.
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Zegnat sebsel has a bug open on the current in-development upcoming Kirby about how they do not map GET and HEAD requests to the same thing. I have one about how they are limiting HTTP methods to a small predefined list and uppercasing the methods.
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sebsel yeah, that was what I meant with "it's just not really good at being a framework".
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Zegnat My issue titles “Treat methods in accordance with the HTTP spec” is labelled as an enhancement, not a bug ?
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Zegnat s/titles/titled/
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Zegnat Not getting into that. I have a bed waiting to be warmed and a good book to help me wind down from screentime.
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Zegnat Have a good one all!
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sknebel good night Zegnat!
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Loqi night night
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sebsel good night :)
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