#dev 2017-12-07

2017-12-07 UTC
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www.boffosocko.com edited /theme (+59) "links to see also" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /email (+187) "tantek added "2017-11-30 Katie Notopoulos / BuzzFeed [https://www.buzzfeed.com/katienotopoulos/i-tried-emailing-like-your-boss I Tried Emailing Like A CEO And Quite Frankly, It Made My Life Better]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk arg gotta fix that silo.pub bug
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jeremycherfas.net edited /pronoun (+142) "/* See Also */ The sage continues" (view diff)
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trafaret1 hi there
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jeremych_ Hello
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trafaret1 jeremych_: what is this group about?
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Zegnat This is the companion channel to #indieweb for discussion development related questions. See https://indieweb.org/ :)
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jeremych_ Thanks zegnat
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trafaret1 communist movement in web-dev world?
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cweiske no.
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sknebel Zegnat: that sounds wrong
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vanderven.se martijn edited /User:Vanderven.se_martijn (+67) "On [[HTTPS]] now!" (view diff)
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Zegnat The indieauth thing? Yeah
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sknebel what exactly is happening?
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sknebel this https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/152 ?
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Loqi [sknebel] #152 Error with relative rel="authorization_endpoint" URLs
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Zegnat No
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Zegnat Everything worked, until I was sent back from my endpoint to indieauth and it would just tell me “There was a problem!”
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Zegnat But changing from a relative URL to a full one seems to have fixed it
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sknebel mh :/
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vanderven.se martijn edited /IRC_People (+1) "Upgrade Zegnat to HTTPS." (view diff)
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Zegnat Also, we may need a way to make https://indieweb.org/Template:irc_user HTTPS compatible. Lots of open locks on /IRC_People
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Zegnat Oh, minor edits go to IRC now too?
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vanderven.se martijn edited /multi-site_indieweb (+1) "Martijn is moving to HTTPS" (view diff)
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Zegnat That should be all vanderven.se links converted.
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Zegnat security << https://securityheaders.io/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://securityheaders.io/" to the "See Also" section of /security
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loqi.me edited /security (+30) "Zegnat added "https://securityheaders.io/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Zegnat CSP << [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/laboratory-by-mozilla/ Laboratory], a Firefox add-on that allows you to record / change / test CSP on live websites.
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/laboratory-by-mozilla/ Laboratory], a Firefox add-on that allows you to record / change / test CSP on live websites." to the "See Also" section of /Content-Security-Policy
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loqi.me edited /Content-Security-Policy (+167) "Zegnat added "[https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/laboratory-by-mozilla/ Laboratory], a Firefox add-on that allows you to record / change / test CSP on live websites." to "See Also"" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas How important, in the grand scheme of things, do you think all of those are?
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Zegnat Those security things you mean? There are definitely reasons to have them, but those reasons are probably more pronounced on websites that offer a service to the visitor.
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Zegnat They can make the browser help protect against cross site scripting, click-jacking, and other such attacks against the users of your site.
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jeremycherfas Roght. Well, one to add, someday. But not today.
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sknebel !tell aaronpk jeremy's http://www.fornacalia.com for some reason doesn't show parser output on pin13 (but does on e.g. php.microformats.io)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk um, I can't view that page either
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aaronpk does it maybe only have an ipv6 address?
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sknebel unlikely
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sknebel I don't have ipv6 here
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aaronpk it's not resolving for me at home or on my server
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aaronpk I get no IP address for either www.fornacalia.com or fornacalia.com
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sknebel that'd explain that
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sknebel just not *why* you don't see it
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aaronpk I see dreamhost's servers are returning an IP address, but not sure why other servers aren't
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aaronpk 8.8.8.8 and 9.9.9.9 don't have it
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Zegnat Yeah, that would seem to be the issue
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Zegnat `dig A +short @8.8.8.8 fornacalia.com` = empty
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Zegnat I seem to get it from my own default DNS though: `dig A +short fornacalia.com` gives 64.111.100.215
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sknebel I do too
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sknebel jeremycherfas: ^^^ apparently some kind of DNS issue
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Zegnat aaronpk I was getting errors before trying to login to the wiki with indieauth.com and my IndieAuth endpoint. Is there still an issue with relative endpoint URLs?
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aaronpk I didn't think so
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aaronpk feel free to file an issue with details
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jeremycherfas Very strange. Do you think I need to take this up with Dreamhost? Or wait and hope it resolves?
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aaronpk jeremycherfas: how long ago did you set up the domain?
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jeremycherfas Quite a while now. But I have only recently added content.
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jeremycherfas Or rather, resurrected content.
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aaronpk probably worth opening a ticket with dreamhost to see if they can find any problems
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Zegnat There you go aaronpk, since IndieAuth.com shows no logs or information this is the best I can give you: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/172
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Loqi [Zegnat] #172 Relative IndieAuth endpoint URL results in “There was a problem!”
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sknebel just tried a bunch of global propagation checkers, showing 1-2 locations failing, everything else resolving it fine
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sknebel Zegnat: anything odd about the url+params the redirect back to indieauth.com have?
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aaronpk i'm guessing it's a bug with trying to verify the link is there
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Zegnat Nope, code is there, me is there, and state is there
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Zegnat Might be, aaronpk. I didn’t really have time to go into IndieAuth.com source code to see what it is checking exactly.
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Zegnat Just noticed it when I was moving stuff to the new hosting to get HTTPS going. Thought I could switch to relative URLs because we got all the resolving bugs finished, and then couldn’t login to the wiki.
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aaronpk i'll figure it out
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sknebel aaronpk: since the ui looks the same on pin13 and php.mf.io now, I guess there is a public repo where I can file a bug for "give an error message if you can't fetch the document"?
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aaronpk oops, looks like sknebel was on the other side of that netsplit with Loqi and there's a message in the logs that didn't make it over here
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aaronpk sknebel: https://github.com/aaronpk/mf2-test
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Loqi [aaronpk] mf2-test: Small web page for displaying parsed microformats2
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aaronparecki.com edited /User:Aaronparecki.com (+87) "/* to do */" (view diff)
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@PercolatorToday Episode 15: The IndieWeb Wiki and IndieAuth https://percolator.today/episode/15 (twitter.com/_/status/938865202711293952)
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aaronpk hah I forgot about that auto-tweet
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@ChrisAldrich Given @Livefyre's origin as a commenting platform along the lines of Disqus and Intense Debate, this photo of their current offerings from Adobe makes it sound a lot like what the Webmention open spec does for my WordPress-based website. http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/07/livefyre-sounds-like-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/938881315872522240)
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gregorlove.com edited /Gimme_Bar (+244) "link dfn, note site-death" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+543) "/* Upcoming */ Gimme Bar" (view diff)
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bear FYI for all devs -- https://ma.ttias.be/chrome-force-dev-domains-https-via-preloaded-hsts/
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aaronpk good thing I already run https on my .dev domains :)
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bear it's going to catch a lot of folks by surprise
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Zegnat I think we have spoken about it enough in here that most should know?
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Zegnat has switched to .test, which is a reserved tld
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aaronpk if you need an ssl cert for .dev: https://ssl.indieweb.org/
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tantek yet another reason to run Firefox :P
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tantek what is .dev
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for ".dev" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say ".dev is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Mozilla includes a different HSTS preload list?
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[miklb] aaronpk I was never quite able to figure out how to use that for my local environment. Should probably revisit it
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aaronpk it takes a bit of work if you've never done it before
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Zegnat Another option might be https://laravel.com/docs/5.5/valet which sebsel pointed me at. It can setup HTTPS for local domains, or be configured to use a different TLD from .dev
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Zegnat (If you are on macOS that is.)
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[miklb] I’ve only used certbot so no, not much experience
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loqi.me edited /Gimme_Bar (+16) "gRegorLove added "[[Pinterest]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Pinterest (+16) "gRegorLove added "[[Gimme_Bar]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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sknebel Zegnat: no, HSTS preload list is shared between all browsers, so this will happen everywhere unless the other browser makers decide make a special exception here, which will be troublesome as soon as .dev actually starts to get used
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aaronpk grantcodes++ for Together, kind of neat to log in and have it full of content already!
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