#dev 2017-12-30

2017-12-30 UTC
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dansup I've been working on my gnu/social laravel clone over the holidays. Making good progress, I came up with this Status factory to generate fake statuses for dev/testing. https://gist.github.com/dansup/614df44762cfd7d258408b274ce3cb0c
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strugee.net edited /Node.js (+322) "Note lazymention and related libraries" (view diff)
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strugee.net created /lazymention (+454) "Basic stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /lazymention (+58) "dfn" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Product (+71) "prompted by GWG and dfn added by GWG" (view diff)
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tantek y tho
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tantek GWG are there existing examples of product posts that we can point to?
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tantek I'm going to delete that page for now unless you or someone else is working on fixing / expanding it
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GWG No. It was an accident
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odat.xyz created /User:Odat.xyz (+165) "Created page with "<span class="h-card">[http://odat.xyz/ Camron Bickford]</span> Decentralized networking enthusiast. [http://www.Odat.xyz Odat] Privacy, sustainability, open source"" (view diff)
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tantek is there a more generic term than "timeline" (too specific), or "news feed" (too FB specific) for the stream of posts aggregated from your friends / followings?
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tantek.com edited /Facebook_Master_Algorithm (+1236) "Similar Algorithms, Twitter, see also Slate: Who Controls Your Facebook Feed" (view diff)
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gRegorLove what is stream?
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Loqi A stream refers to a collection of posts, typically time-ordered, similar to a feed, and often updated in real-time, with updates propagated via a notification-based protocol like WebSub, and published as HTML (h-feed/h-entry) https://indieweb.org/stream
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tantek what is nudge
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nudge" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "nudge is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek nudge is a feature of several social sites or applications, and a former feature of [[Twitter]] where sending "nudge username" would send a request to that user to send a current Tweet. [https://www.cnet.com/news/newbies-guide-to-twitter/]
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /nudge (+267) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek what is MSN Messenger
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "MSN Messenger" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "MSN Messenger is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove Oh wow, I'd forgotten about that on Twitter
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gRegorLove I remember using the twitter xmpp for a bit: https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/a/2006/use-twitter-by-instant-message.html
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tantek MSN Messenger was an instant [[messaging]] application from [[Microsoft]] 1999-2014 that among other features had the ability to "[[nudge]]" a user (predating Facebook [[poke]]) which woud shake their chat window. [http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/feature/a802121/17-things-youll-only-remember-if-you-were-a-full-msn-messenger-addict-from-appearing-offline-to-song-lyric-statuses/]
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /MSN_Messenger (+407) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek poke << nudge
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Loqi ok, I added "[[nudge]]" to the "See Also" section of /poke
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loqi.me edited /poke (+12) "tantek added "[[nudge]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek nudge << https://www.bizfilings.com/toolkit/research-topics/running-your-business/how-to-use-twitter-for-business
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.bizfilings.com/toolkit/research-topics/running-your-business/how-to-use-twitter-for-business" to the "See Also" section of /nudge
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loqi.me edited /nudge (+124) "See Also" (view diff)
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tantek nudge << http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/social-media/10276924/10-most-annoying-social-media-features-of-the-past-10-years.html
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/social-media/10276924/10-most-annoying-social-media-features-of-the-past-10-years.html" to the "See Also" section of /nudge
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loqi.me edited /nudge (+127) "tantek added "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/social-media/10276924/10-most-annoying-social-media-features-of-the-past-10-years.html" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek nudge << https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/888132764314284035
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@tristandross what a feature Nudge was. fucking up someone's shitty windows 95 dial-up computer for like 5 mins solid because they ignored you. class (twitter.com/_/status/888132764314284035)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/888132764314284035" to the "See Also" section of /nudge
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loqi.me edited /nudge (+61) "tantek added "https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/888132764314284035" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek nudge << https://twitter.com/willhadler/status/892089473588228099
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@WillHadler I used to moan about the nudge feature on MSN Messenger. But I really wish WhatsApp had a similar thing #checkyourphone (twitter.com/_/status/892089473588228099)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/willhadler/status/892089473588228099" to the "See Also" section of /nudge
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loqi.me edited /nudge (+59) "tantek added "https://twitter.com/willhadler/status/892089473588228099" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Zegnat tantek, just saw https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth.net/issues/10, are you aware of any IndieAuth implementations apart from indieauth.com to use RelMeAuth?
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Loqi [tantek] #10 informal reference to RelMeAuth should explicitly reference XFN and rel=me per adoption
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[kevinmarks] That 2013 article complained about people using hashtags on Facebook, which is amusing given that Facebook made them work later
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[kevinmarks] Actions for an hcard could be "add to address book" or "follow" or add to my xfn list
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GWG snarfed, I still don't know what a simple solution is to that Micropub issue we've been discussing
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snarfed GWG: https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/pull/94 ?
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Loqi [dshanske] #94 Add Post Generation Filter
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GWG Or the previous PR.
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snarfed the right solution is to finalize https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30 :P
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Loqi [dshanske] #30 Microformats 2 Rendering
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GWG I hope we do
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GWG I hope we do
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GWG Maybe I will wait to see what happens in that meeting
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snarfed lol. we scheduled that mtg way too far out. but yes, i'm glad that's on the books!
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GWG snarfed, it was when pfefferle was available
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GWG But would you push 1.3 to WordPress in the interim?
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GWG That will at least fix some issues for many
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snarfed sure! happy to any time. are you ready?
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GWG I think I will not send any more PRs till we make a decision.
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GWG So yes
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GWG I am going to see about some other projects
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GWG Press This, for one.
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snarfed ok!
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GWG Kraftbj encouraged me to work on it as part of a ticket I submitted to Core before it left.
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GWG Bringing its link preview code back to Core.
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GWG But any time you have a moment, snarfed. There are enough features
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snarfed will do!
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snarfed GWG: https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/pull/94 looks great! i sent some feedback, but nothing big. happy to merge it before 1.3.
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Loqi [dshanske] #94 Add Post Generation Filter
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[eddie] !tell kevinmarks: good ideas for h-card actions! I’m not familiar with xfn lists. What would that require? Is that something that can be sent over Micropub?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat I don’t think anyone is doing those social interactions over Micropub
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GWG snarfed, then I will resubmit and get it in then.
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GWG More is better
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[eddie] :thumbsup: Thanks for the clarification Zegnat. I’ll probably remove that from the list, but the rest looks great kevinmarks!
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[eddie] If anyone else has ideas for good micropub actions for h-cards, let me know 😄
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[eddie] There will definitely be a “send message” (in reply to homepage)
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sknebel [eddie]: I missed the context of the question, what are you building?
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Zegnat [eddie], maybe add some of those screenshots to /Indigenous for people to get context quickly?
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[eddie] Ohh good idea
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[eddie] sknebel, it’s an iOS share extension. When you are on a page with an h-card, h-entry or h-event, it parses the page and provides different micropub actions to send to your server based on what type you are looking at. h-entry and h-event have some basic expected options (like, bookmark, reply, etc)
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[eddie] But I’m thinking through what to do when it’s someone’s home page (save their information to your phone’s address book, send a message (reply), eventually follow (via microsub), etc)
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sknebel h-event should have "send to calendar" and "rsvp", but I assume that has been obvious
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sknebel I wonder if there is something clever to do with their silo profiles, e.g. show them in the matching app?
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[eddie] Oh, for some reason send to calendar didn’t appear in my mind! Great!
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[eddie] Yeah, that could be pretty cool!
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Indigenous (+627) "+ add screenshots" (view diff)
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[eddie] Awesome, here we have so far: https://github.com/EdwardHinkle/indigenous-ios/issues/45
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #45 Actions for different mf2 types
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GWG I still wish someone would do Android
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Zegnat Same, GWG. But I will also not learn Java, so I am never going to do it.
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Zegnat I might look into the webapp road though. I am impressed by the Twitter web app
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[eddie] There is a guy on micro.blog that is developing a micro.blog client. I’m assuming it will support creating micropub notes however, I don’t know how in-depth it’ll go on other IndieWeb tech
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[eddie] (for Android)
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[kevinmarks] we don't really have a generic way to add people to a freinds list, and the follow action is not really complete
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[kevinmarks] what is follow
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 27 minutes ago: good ideas for h-card actions! I’m not familiar with xfn lists. What would that require? Is that something that can be sent over Micropub?
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 27 minutes ago: good ideas for h-card actions! I’m not familiar with xfn lists. What would that require? Is that something that can be sent over Micropub?
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Loqi follow is a common feature (and often UI button) in silo UIs (like Twitter) that adds updates from that profile (typically a person) to the stream shown in an integrated reader, and sometimes creates a follow post either in the follower's stream ("… followed …" or "… is following …") thus visible to their followers, and/or in the notifications of the user being followed ("… followed you") https://indieweb.org/follow
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[eddie] kevinmarks: Yeah, as microsub grows I think a microsub follow command is the way to go
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[miklb] lol https://twitter.com/pfrazee/status/946800177763028993
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@pfrazee In the interest of open data, instead of liking tweets I will reply with a link to http://schema.org/LikeAction. Be sure to http://schema.org/LikeAction this http://schema.org/SocialMediaPosting if you http://schema.org/AgreeAction (twitter.com/_/status/946800177763028993)
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Zegnat It will be interesting to see if people are going to make follow posts or keeping their follows private.
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sknebel or publish it otherwise, e.g. blogroll instead of explicit change posts
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dgold okay, my project is near fulfilment
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dgold nanopub now does proper reply-to, extracting content data & posting to twitter where appropriate, and does the same for like-of
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Zegnat Exciting!
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dgold course, I have _no_ clue how I'm going to implement this in Hugo, but at least the intents are working.
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dgold reposts/retweets next, I guess
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GWG [manton]: You think there is any chance micro.blog might encourage a third-party person to do a Micropub Android app?
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[kevinmarks] An app or a PWA?
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GWG [kevinmarks]: An app
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GWG I don't think a PWA would integrate well
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sknebel they are getting there, but a bit early. (e.g. sharing to a PWA only works in chrome if you set an about:config flag I think?)
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Zegnat Yeah, looks like the Twitter PWA has some sharing stuff in their manifest, but the actual app on my phone doesn’t seem to enable it yet :(
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sknebel Zegnat: did you set the config flag?
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Zegnat you have access to the config flags on Android? :P
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Zegnat Actually, I prefer not to mess with the configs on Android, because nobody else is going to do so either.
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Zegnat Skews testing
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snarfed related background on sharing to android apps, in case it helps any of you: https://github.com/snarfed/open-in-app/#readme
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Zegnat The link to the blogpost in that README is dead, snarfed? :o Quick, put up a redirect~
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snarfed lol no one is immune from link rot
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snarfed Zegnat: fixed. thanks!
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tantek snarfed, so true, found a most ironic example of that yesterday - the ACM Hypertext Conference - their sites are dying
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tantek what is ACM Hypertext Conference?
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Loqi ACM Hypertext Conference is an annual academic conference on the subject of hypertext and typically the web, where both XFN and XMDP were presented in poster sessions in the mid 2000s, and long ago HTML was submitted but rejected; and their event sites for some years either died or were taken over by squatters (like ht04.org for 2004) https://indieweb.org/ACM_Hypertext_Conference
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gRegorLove Heh, from this XML feed: <description>Just another WordPress site</description> (default WordPress description)...
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gRegorLove but then: <generator>Jekyll v3.6.2</generator>
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tantek Not sure which hidden metadata to trust or if they are both wrong
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gRegorLove Heh, it is Jekyll apparently. https://twitter.com/rechelon/status/947231668263358464
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@rechelon @gRegorLove This is a product of the blade my server was on getting corrupted and me falling back to a gitpage setup I'd been backing up to. I'm not sure I'm going to repair it because I'm now deeply in love with my entire site being a repo. (twitter.com/_/status/947231668263358464)
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gRegorLove I recommended h-entry. We'll see! :)
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gRegorLove I'm using websub.rocks to test adding WebSub to my homepage. Subscribed successfully, but isn't registering notifications. Does it only show notifications if there's new content since the subscription?
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tantek correct
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich: On your likes, I'd recommend u-like-of instead of p-like-of. That way the value of the nested h-cite will be the URL instead of the p-name. Example: http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/30/heres-the-latest-version-of-my-quick-reply-bookmarklet/
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Loqi [Author Chris Aldrich] Here’s the latest version of my quick-reply bookmarklet. by gRegor MorrillgRegor Morrill (gregorlove.com) Here’s the latest version of my quick-reply bookmarklet. It lets me reply to any URL now, not just tweet URLs. Copy and paste the below ...
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tantek Interestingly, I'm seeing even a bigger difference on a search for "The French Divide" than Donald did in his screenshot
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tantek.com edited /SEO (+501) "Donald McIntosh beats Facebook on The French Divide" (view diff)
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gRegorLove And even more on DuckDuckGo. Donald's is 7 above the facebook link.
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gRegorLove And #5 on the page (excluding an ad result)
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