#dev 2018-01-06

2018-01-06 UTC
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[keithjgrant] okay, taking another go at setting up my site with fed.brid.gy
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[keithjgrant] how do you all set up rel links to feeds? I have a Posts feed and a Notes feed
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[keithjgrant] I want RSS readers to find the Posts feed by default, but fed.brid.gy will need the Notes feed
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[keithjgrant] right now I just have two rel=alternate links, but I'm not sure that's valid
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snarfed (dirty secret: the atom feed is just to get fedsocnets to accept your site at all, and maybe for your posts to show up. bridgy fed itself doesn't actually use it at all.)
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[keithjgrant] Yeah, I was able to find myself from a Mastodon instance, but saw no posts, so I thought the issue must be with my feed
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[keithjgrant] might just be from a type="application/rss+xml" instead of atom+xml
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[keithjgrant] oh, it says my follow request is awaiting approval...?
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[keithjgrant] looks like I'm going to have to clean up Hugo's atom feed a bit
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tantek [keithjgrant]: we had a discussion earlier about putting multiple feed files on a page and one of the points was that the feed files should just be alternate formats of the same stuff that's on the page
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tantek if you want to publish a notes only view, it makes sense to *first* publish an HTML notes only view that you link to from your home page and then put a notes only feedfile on that page
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tantek the basic problem with multiple feed files is that there's no way to express which is for what reason, at least not automatically. just the human readable "title" attribute on the link rel=alternate
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tantek and that just pushes the problem onto users which makes for a worse UX
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KartikPrabhu are we talking Atom feeds?
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KartikPrabhu Atom feeds have a <title> which can be read by Atom readers
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KartikPrabhu I link to multiple Atom feeds from my homepage in the footer
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[keithjgrant] I've got human readable links in my footer to both feeds, so I should be able to just put the "correct" one in my <head>
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[keithjgrant] I want some control over which posts will show up in my mastodon feed though
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tantek KartikPrabhu: we're talking about linking to feed files from a page
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tantek https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-01-06/1515199444096600
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Loqi [[keithjgrant]] how do you all set up rel links to feeds? I have a Posts feed and a Notes feed
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tantek [keithjgrant]: oh? can you provide an example of what you want to show up and not?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: so am I. I don't understand the objection here https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-01-06/1515201141072200
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Loqi [tantek] the basic problem with multiple feed files is that there's no way to express which is for what reason, at least not automatically. just the human readable "title" attribute on the link rel=alternate
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KartikPrabhu I link all my feeds from the homepage including Atom ones
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tantek KartikPrabhu: there are two axes
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tantek content and format
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tantek it's ok to link multiple different format feed files - as that allows the consuming code automatically decide which format it prefers
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KartikPrabhu yes. I link on both axes
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KartikPrabhu there are links to both h-feed and Atom for both Articles and Notes
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tantek it is *not* ok to link multiple different content feed files because consuming code like a reader has no idea which to prefer, and forces the user to choose
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tantek that "choose" step should happen on your website, not in some reader where the user has lost all context about you and your site
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tantek i.e. if you have feed file of just notes, link to it from your HTML page of just notes
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tantek if you have a feed file of just articles, link to it from your HTML page of just articles
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KartikPrabhu yeah I don't get that part
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tantek then provide a nice user-friendly way for people to navigate (choose) from your home page to those HTML pages with different content
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tantek provides a much better experience, that you control, all in one place for the "choose" step
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tantek instead of forcing your users into a myriad awkward UIs to choose an abstract feed in some rando reader
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KartikPrabhu so to use my Notes feed I should force the users to first go the HTML Notes page and then put that in their reader, instead of allowing them to do that striaght from my homepage?
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KartikPrabhu that seems more awkward
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tantek it's more awkward to make them choose after they've committed to following
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tantek because then they have to go back to your site to figure out why they would want to choose one or another
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tantek I'm saying the default should be *don't* make them choose, give them one feed file, everything happens automatically
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tantek per page
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tantek think about how social media simplified this. you choose "follow" and it just works to follow exactly what you're looking at
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tantek that's the UX people now expect
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KartikPrabhu social media silos don't have mutiple post-type feeds
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tantek so multiple feeds with different contents just gunks up that experience
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tantek KartikPrabhu: most people don't care to
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KartikPrabhu if your are emulating "social media" then dump everything in one feed and only have that one
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tantek no, that's where you start
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tantek if you want separate feeds, start with separate pages
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KartikPrabhu I have those too
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tantek and that's what e.g. adactio does with his separate twitter accounts
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tantek note how you choose the twitter account first, then you click follow
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tantek you don't click follow on adactio then have to pick which account
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KartikPrabhu in any case, I guess I'll stick to my broken ways
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tantek I also have articles-only feed but I don't link to it anywhere because I don't have an equivalent HTML page
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tantek just the articles widget on my home page
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KartikPrabhu I already have HTML pages so that is fine
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gRegorLove It does make more sense thinking of an indie site's "follow" button first, rather than the legacy way of entering example.com in a feed reader and it does magic to find the exact feed URL.
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tantek exactly
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tantek if we want to help displace social media use-cases, we have to improve our UX to at least as good, and preferably *better*
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KartikPrabhu yeah if any reader did any indie-follow I would buy that argument
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gRegorLove I have a follow button on my notes stream; it would be weird if a reader then prompted which feed to follow. Annnnd I need to double-check I'm not guilty of this myself :)
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gRegorLove subtome
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gRegorLove The reader isn't really part of the equation
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gRegorLove See "Follow my notes" at the bottom of https://gregorlove.com/notes/
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KartikPrabhu oh well I give up
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gRegorLove If you clicked that, select your reader, then were prompted to follow my Articles feed or my Notes feed, that's weird UX
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[keithjgrant] tantek I'm just thinking I don't want my long-form stuff to show up in Mastodon. Though I guess if fed.brid.gy truncates for me, it might not be that bad
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: I clicked it. and nothing happened
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tantek [keithjgrant] do you POSSE your long form stuff to Twitter?
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gRegorLove JS blocked?
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KartikPrabhu nope
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[keithjgrant] I do manually, not via brid.gy
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gRegorLove Hm. Works in Chrome. Lemme check Firefox.
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gRegorLove (it's the subtome.com subscribe thing, you can also try it there.)
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gRegorLove Huh, not sure. It works for me in Firefox too.
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tantek [keithjgrant] I wrote custom code to POSSE my long form stuff (articles) to Twitter: https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_Articles_to_Twitter
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AngeloGladding regarding the js "follow my notes" button -- subtome's javascript was hotloaded so I had to whitelist twice
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AngeloGladding i was actually waiting for a break in the conversation to ask what the current state of a "Follow" button was
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AngeloGladding i see Tantek's on his home page
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AngeloGladding and now i see gregorlove's
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tantek AngeloGladding I tried a "+" but got feedback that was too abstract
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tantek so I switched to a Twitter icon and follow on twitter link
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gRegorLove aaronpk has one I think
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tantek because that has a good chance of working
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gRegorLove What is rel-subscribe?
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Loqi rel-subscribe is an experimental rel value for linking from your home page to your subscription endpoint, and is currently prototyped by Aaron Parecki on aaronparecki.com; try the Follow button in the right side of the footer of his home page or any permalink https://indieweb.org/rel-subscribe
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AngeloGladding tantek so you had a non-twitter "Follow"?
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gRegorLove Maybe Aaron got rid of it; I don't see it
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gRegorLove Nope, I'm just blind. There it is :)
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AngeloGladding i'm not seeing it either
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gRegorLove It's on permalinks in the footer
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gRegorLove Slightly different approach than subtome
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tantek AngeloGladding I did briefly, using a webaction, but no one implements that or consumes it so it was largely an academic exercise. It didn't make things worse but it didn't do anything either.
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AngeloGladding gRegorLove ah thanks found it
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AngeloGladding i like Aaron's approach
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gRegorLove It's nice that it's site-to-site, but that makes it pretty experimental.
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tantek wow I'm reading https://jkphl.is/articles/100-days-of-open-source-2017/ and it's amazing
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Loqi [Joschi Kuphal] 100 Days Of Open Source (2017) https://jkphl.is/fileadmin/templates/css/images/joschi-kuphal-jkphl.jpg
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AngeloGladding i was thinking of using micropub to send an h-card from to initiate a follow with the side effect of subscribing to any found feeds -- his way is more direct
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AngeloGladding i've seen the webactions while snooping at others' code -- who or what consumes them?
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tantek each others sites naturally :)
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AngeloGladding i implemented my own auth to mimic indieauth.com before i realized indieauth was its own protocol -- saw you guys talking the other day..
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AngeloGladding i was creating my own micropub draft mechanism until i was pointed to the mp extensions
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AngeloGladding i really should just ask first ;)
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AngeloGladding so i'm implementing "Bookmark", "Like", "Reply" buttons -- i guess i should take the time to read about webactions, huh
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tantek these are all very challenging things AngeloGladding - glad to have you here - the more folks brainstorming / collaborating on to make all this work smoothly, the better
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madmode.com edited /ACM_Hypertext_Conference (+198) "add some detail from 1991 when TimBL submitted the web" (view diff)
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tantek nice
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tantek wondering how long before Google indexes that page
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tantek.com edited /ACM_Hypertext_Conference (+93) "/* See Also */ started in 1987 per WP" (view diff)
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AngeloGladding indeed tantek its so nice to check back in and see how much progress has been made
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AngeloGladding as per webactions -- are they solely silo centric?
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tantek no - they're intended to be peer-to-peer first, with optional silo fallbacks
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AngeloGladding hmm so it looks like all of the examples of webactions in the wild are using the three twitter actions you yourself are using
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GWG I suggested it as an idea
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AngeloGladding ahah! https://indieweb.org/webactions#sites_upgrading_webactions_to_micropub speaks to this issue and points me to https://indieweb.org/indie-config which I haven't seen before
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AngeloGladding two rather different solutions to essentially the same problem -- one requires you to modify your browser, the other requires you to log in to their site
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tantek "modify your browser" is a bit strong. though there were browser add-on approaches, indie-config does not require installing anything
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AngeloGladding in a shared computer setting you'd have to reregister the handler every time but yeah this problem has me thinking about how browser UI could expand into this territory -- reminded of Flock -- but then I remember how hard it seems to be for WP to incorporate IW ideas
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AngeloGladding *assuming* multiple people were using the same browser to manage their own indie websites
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AngeloGladding now that i know i'll experiment with browser support of handler assignment prompts
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tantek browsers now have multiple profiles so that would likely help
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tantek for multiple people using the same browser
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AngeloGladding yeah, not that any non-dev's i know use them -- i'm thinking that logging in to your indie site can just reassign the handler -- possibly check first and skip the dialog if already set?
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tantek oh yeah that could work!
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AngeloGladding i'll report back -- thanks!
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tantek sebsel++ for completing 45 days of Indieweb in 2017 - seriously impressive
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tantek https://seblog.nl/category/100daysofindieweb
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gregorlove.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+124) "/* 100 Words in 100 Days */ updated my attempts" (view diff)
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tantek oh dear edit collision
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tantek alright I think my framing is more positive :)
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gregorlove.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+70) "/* 100 Words in 100 Days */ note inspired by adactio" (view diff)
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gRegorLove_ oops
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gRegorLove_ Welcome to reframe mine, or move it as needed.
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tantek.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+495) "document completed and how long (anything more than a week?), and track previous projects started as part of brainstorming, mention hashdates to post about a day after the day" (view diff)
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tantek gRegorLove: I framed what you called "attempts" as "previously completed" "about a week"
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tantek https://indieweb.org/100DaysOfIndieWeb#About_a_week
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tantek but I did that for all "attempts" that made it about a week or more
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tantek all in https://indieweb.org/100DaysOfIndieWeb#Previously_Completed
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gRegorLove Maybe third time will be the charm. :)
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tantek 100 words is very hard to do so precisely
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tantek I'm not sure I'd last 3 days
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gRegorLove Sounds like good framing.
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tantek or maybe pick something that brings you more joy than hitting 100 words on the dot
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gRegorLove Yeah, I'm not down on myself about it (or I might just remove it from the page, hah). Got me to post more even for a short spurt.
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tantek right - hence why it is valid to call it completed of a different duration
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gRegorLove Mentally I'm in a place now where I want a less-structured thing rather than a challenge. Like, I just want to write more casually and not put an expectation on it.
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tantek besides I have far more ideas for 100days projects than I could possibly do: https://indieweb.org/100DaysOfIndieWeb#Brainstorming (even though most of those do actually inspire me)
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tantek less structured could just be daily
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tantek I did find this both fairly doable (note flexibilities) and incredibly rewarding: https://indieweb.org/100DaysOfIndieWeb#100_Days_of_Positive_Posts
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tantek (especially for coping with all the darkness that was early 2017)
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aaronpk 🤣 the expectation of being casual is almost worse
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gRegorLove Eh. For right now I just don't want to set a goal for my writing that if I miss I'm likely to lose steam on. It's just temporary, I'm sure I'll come back around to something more structured eventually.
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gRegorLove Hmm, so websub notifications for my Atom feed come through to main channel, but not the ones for my homepage h-feed.
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gRegorLove oh, maybe http / https difference in my rel=hub
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gRegorLove websub.rocks got the h-feed push though, so weird.
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@AndyDavies @tameverts @tkadlec Know that feeling I've got too many drafts in progress that all require data research and not finding the time to do it ATM Would love to know how you get on with webmentions Disqus is something I want to drop too (twitter.com/_/status/949641986067369985)
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grantcodes Any recommendations on how to test that error we saw on together (sessions not properly isolated) manually, I need to be able to make 2 different requests that overlap 🤔 maybe just delay the responses for 10 seconds so I can get them to overlap
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aaronpk Delaying the response would definitely make that easier to test
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Zegnat sknebel ^^^
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grantcodes Yeah got it, can see the error now, so should be able to fix it :)
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Zegnat Alright, that’s probably all that page is ever going to say. Removed the stub notice.
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@keithjgrant Of course, there’s a lot of enhancements you can add from there, like webmentions and micropub. But you don’t have to do it all at once! Check out my talk on this for more info: https://www.recallact.com/presentation/decentralized-social-web (twitter.com/_/status/949667501046140931)
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Zegnat CSP << https://medium.com/@david.gilbertson/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5
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Loqi ok, I added "https://medium.com/@david.gilbertson/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5" to the "See Also" section of /Content-Security-Policy
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Zegnat ancarda I think you would enjoy that read ^^^
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grantcodes Ok leaking issue fixed in together and online at http://together.tpxl.io/
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grantcodes Was an issue with Object.assign 🤦‍♂️
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aaronpk nice
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dgold can anyone recommend an url-parser like aaronpk's XRay for 'normal' websites?
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aaronpk like one that tries to extract stuff from a page that doesn't necessarily have structure or an API?
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dgold Exactly! How hard can it be!? :slightly-smiling-face:
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk there are quite a few libraries for that
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aaronpk what language?
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dgold php
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aaronpk I ran across one the other day that works with a bunch of services, so not quite what you are looking for https://packagist.org/packages/mpratt/embera
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dgold that one I linked is.. okay, it gets some data, but (man alive) how do professional pblishing houses put stuff out without a <time> tag, or an <author> tag
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dgold slate & salon -> I'm looking at you!
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aaronpk this one tries to extract from meta tags in addition to og/twitter https://packagist.org/packages/kasp3r/link-preview
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dgold thanks aaronpk, that last one could do the trick
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aaronpk oh and i've come across this service before, but they kinda changed their focus/pricing or something. but it tries to do even more parsing from the page beyond just meta tags http://embed.ly/
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dgold i've got the like-ing bug, but I had not fully appreciated the constraints you wrote into XRay
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aaronpk er, http://embed.ly/cards
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aaronpk actually: http://embed.ly/extract
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aaronpk what's the "like-ing bug"?
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dgold posting likes of things to my site (now that that works)
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aaronpk oh *that* kind of bug
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Zegnat dgold, a PHP extractor that is more full extracting full text and titles and stuff that you could try: https://github.com/j0k3r/graby
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Loqi [j0k3r] graby: Graby extract article content from web pages. This is a fork of Full-Text RSS v3.3
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Zegnat sgreger decided on that one for his twitter-link-collection-tool
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Zegnat (Or, you know, teach XRay to do it ;) )
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dgold Zegnat: thank you - I've been working through aaronpk's links with mixed results
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aaronpk ah Readability was the thing I was thinknig of! thanks
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dgold parsing urls without structured data is hard, who'd a thunk it, huh?
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aaronpk i'm actually on the fence about trying to do anythign with unstructured data in XRay
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aaronpk in other words, I would have to be convinced that adding a library like that to XRay is a good idea
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dgold looking at how much trouble it appears to cause other scripts, its probably not worth your time & effort
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dgold maybe (just maybe) og: twitter: data
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aaronpk well I certainly wouldn't try to write any of it myself, i'd just pull in a library like Readability as a fallback if XRay doesn't recognize anything
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aaronpk I would definitely consider og/twitter tags
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aaronpk oh jeez, looking at the link I last bookmarked, there's aos a set of tags like <meta property="article:tag"...
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aaronpk where did that come from
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aaronpk huh it's supposedly part of ogp http://ogp.me/#no_vertical
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dgold there's that word again
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dgold Zegnat: got those of us who are unfamiliar with the details of packagist & composer - _how_ does one get that graby to install?
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dgold s/got/for
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dgold I see your comments in the github issues and on the labware forum, but have not idea one what it is you mean
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dgold never mind - I got it to work
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aaronpk security << https://medium.com/@david.gilbertson/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5
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Loqi ok, I added "https://medium.com/@david.gilbertson/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5" to the "See Also" section of /security
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[snarfed] fwiw i use embedly for reply contexts. eg https://snarfed.org/2017-12-28_in-just-over-a-week-ill-turn-39-they-say-that-your-thirties-are-like-your-twenties-but-better-theres-been-some-truth-to-that
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] /sub
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schmarty wow embedly's brand messaging gives me the jibblies
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aaronpk lol yeah
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aaronpk full on Brands™
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schmarty "grow your audience" "top brands ... better engage their audience" "users will click" "[track] referrals, impressions, watch time and more"
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schmarty "Cards also automatically send events to your Google Analytics dashboard"
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schmarty i also love that they always *collect* the analytics, but if you want to *see* those analytics, you need to pay for a plan.
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schmarty anyway, grumbling over unless somebody wants to co-grumble in -chat. ;}
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Zegnat dgold, good to see you got it to work. I don’t think the issue I commented on is actually blocking current usage of graby
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Zegnat That was mostly just me wishing composer wasn’t as centralised around packagist :P
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aaronpk it defaults to packagist.org but you can definitely use it with whatever
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dgold Zegnat: I thought the errors I was experiencing were related to your comment
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Zegnat I don’t expect them to be. Did you fix it? :)
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Zegnat aaronpk, yeah, setting up your own repo isn’t even that hard.
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dgold yes - I had to change minimum-stability
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Zegnat The real problem is that if my package depends on my repo, you can’t just install it as a dependency because composer will only look at repos in the root composer.json :(
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dgold graby is pretty awesome, thank you - the size of the deps-list though
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Zegnat Thank sgreger :)
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dgold thanks sgreger
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aaronpk does anyone here post code snippets on their websites instead of gists?
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schmarty o/
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aaronpk i'm kind of annoyed that I don't, and still use gist a lot
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aaronpk I also don't really want to install one of those full-on gist/pastebin replacements
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schmarty ah, oops, i meant code blocks in the context of larger posts. e.g. https://martymcgui.re/2016/11/30/005844/
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Configuring Woodwind with imageproxy
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schmarty i don't think i actually have any pastebin- or gist-like posts.
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[miklb] aaronkpk I’m going to assume you saw what I just posted in the #wordpress channel 🙂
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Zegnat I seem to recall cweiske is hosting his own pastebin-thing?
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aaronpk I did
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aaronpk whoa, gist.github.com uses a <table> for their line numbers
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Zegnat There it is. I think: http://p.cweiske.de/list
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[kevinmarks] I do occasionally post code. The biggest one is http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
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[kevinmarks] Where I imported a formatting library
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Microformats 2 and Schema 2015-06-30
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dgold also posts snippets
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dgold and, in consequence, hates hugo's default code templating engine
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aaronpk i'm not a huge fan of GeSHi's coloring, but having trouble finding any resources with alternate stylesheets
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dgold hey! nested ternarys work if you 'reverse' the location of the parens!
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gRegorLove That CSP article is great, Zegnat
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GWG Trying to figure out how to generate a unique key for storing weather API calls.
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GWG I want to cache since API calls are limited
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Zegnat What sort of unique key? Incremental? Hash?
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GWG Probably hash.
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GWG Trying to decide
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GWG I don't usually cache.
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GWG But I've seen the limits on API calls, and I doubt the weather will change in 5 minutes
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[miklb] unless you are in FL in the summer 🙂
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[kevinmarks] Or England
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GWG For weather posting
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GWG Either way, I intend to support personal weather stations, as I have one.
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GWG So might as well.
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[miklb] I just saw a thing about how Neatmo station can be added to wunderground and thus available via the API.
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aaronpk my netatmo broke :(
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[miklb] oh.
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GWG miklb I submit to weather underground, openweathermap and I forget who else
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GWG I run weewx
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[miklb] very cool. It’s definitely something I’d like to build some day.
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GWG I run it on a Pi that also does ADS-B
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[miklb] I’ve read a few DYI articles on building one, but I haven’t worked with any boards. I should go to my local hackerspace and start getting familiar.
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GWG Mine is all off the shelf
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GWG I don't solder
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[miklb] well, I’ve not even done anything with off the shelf. I’ve not touched any hardware. I haven’t soldered since I was making little boards as a kid with my dad from Radio Shack kits.
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Zegnat Trying to outsource all my dependencies out of my IndieAuth code, but I think I am just making this harder on myself: https://gist.github.com/Zegnat/6cb5ed0aa9bce6d9daca096f180e63ef
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GWG I built a second ADS-B receiver which is heading to Florida so I can watch at my parent's place
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tantek what is Pelican
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Loqi Pelican is a Python-based static site generator https://indieweb.org/Pelican
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aaronpk omg I have code snippet posting and editing working pretty well
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aaronpk i'm pretty pleased about this
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tantek wat
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tantek like jsfiddle?
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aaronpk not that fancy
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aaronpk more like a simple version of gist
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tantek or gists?
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tantek what is a gist
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gist" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "gist is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk gist is a tool by [[GitHub]] for posting code snippets
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is a code snippet
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "code snippet" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "code snippet is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk is unsure how to define that without circular references
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tantek what is code
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Loqi code in the context of the indieweb, refers to source code, code files, typically in a revision control system, like Git, hosted on an indieweb site https://indieweb.org/code
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tantek what is a snippet
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Loqi snippet is a reusable piece of code that is set to a command https://indieweb.org/snippet
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tantek well that's not very useful
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aaronpk 🤔
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tantek also "set to a command"?!? that makes no sense
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tantek code snippet is /snippet
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Loqi ok
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tantek now plz fix dfn to make more sense / be more useful
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aaronpk there must have been more context to that definition
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tantek sounds like a lost in translation
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tantek Ghost << Criticism: 2018-01-06 @carlesbellver: "[https://twitter.com/carlesbellver/status/949602718313828352 …reasons to go back from Ghost: no extensibility, no 3rd party apps, no IndieWeb.]"
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@carlesbellver From Ghost to WordPress https://johnathan.org/2018/01/from-ghost-to-wordpress.html Complaints about WordPress and reasons to go back from Ghost: no extensibility, no 3rd party apps, no IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/949602718313828352)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: 2018-01-06 @carlesbellver: "[https://twitter.com/carlesbellver/status/949602718313828352 …reasons to go back from Ghost: no extensibility, no 3rd party apps, no IndieWeb.]"" to the "See Also" section of /Ghost
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Zegnat Hmm, maybe those snippets referred to snippets as in pieces stored in a code editor for quick insertion?
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tantek Ghost << Criticism: 2018-01-04 Johnathan Lyman: [https://johnathan.org/2018/01/from-ghost-to-wordpress.html From Ghost to WordPress] <blockquote>… No intention on supporting [[Micropub|MicroPub]]. … Extensibility is non-existent. … Poor content organization. … Poor performance. …</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: 2018-01-04 Johnathan Lyman: [https://johnathan.org/2018/01/from-ghost-to-wordpress.html From Ghost to WordPress] <blockquote>… No intention on supporting [[Micropub|MicroPub]]. … Extensibility is non-existent. … Poor content organization. … Poor performance. …</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /Ghost
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Loqi From Ghost to WordPress
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Zegnat Ugh, URLs are hard. Time to depend on a third party again.
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tantek ^^^ updates to /post inspired by gRegorLove's post https://gregorlove.com/2018/01/hello-2018/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Hello, 2018!
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tantek gRegorLove: if you have any additional suggestions for the why/how/what sections therein, please feel free to braindump what has worked for you!
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tantek on this day << FBF
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Loqi ok, I added "[[FBF]]" to the "See Also" section of /on_this_day
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@anarchivist @edsu I do wonder how to get structure to play together nicely, e.g. MF2/MicroPub/Webmention vs Activity Streams 2 + Schema/Solid/LDN. (twitter.com/_/status/949765261900460033)
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tantek.com edited /post (+373) "/* How to post */ abridged summary of 12 tips post from 2012" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /post (+0) "move jot down to what else to post" (view diff)
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tantek challenge << National Blog Posting Month
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Loqi ok, I added "[[National Blog Posting Month]]" to the "See Also" section of /challenge
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aaronpk woo https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/06/13/code-snippets
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Owning my Code Snippets
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++ nice!
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Loqi aaronpk has 101 karma in this channel (1525 overall)
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tantek what is own your data?
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Loqi own your data is one of the principles of the IndieWeb and is an encouragement to always post content directly to your own domain with permalinks that you control instead of posting to silos (or only posting copies of your posts to silos per POSSE, and if so, preferably both automatically & with permashortlinks back to your original posts) https://indieweb.org/own_your_data
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ add to your entry there!
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aaronpk ooh
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aaronpk I totally forgot about that page
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tantek screenshot coming up
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[kevinmarks] Re Snippets http://lea.verou.me/2012/07/introducing-prism-an-awesome-new-syntax-highlighter/
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[kevinmarks] See also http://dabblet.com/help/index.html
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aaronpk that looks neat but it's JS and only supports a couple languages
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tantek hey if it's on github file an issue suggesting they convert it to CASSIS :D
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tantek.com deleted /Magic "nothing specific to indieweb"
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tantek yeah I just deleted magic. boom
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Zegnat Now you have me wondering how hard it is to port things like that to CASSIS, tantek
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tantek basic string manipulation is pretty easy
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tantek and so much of web coding today is "just" string manipulation
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Zegnat PrismJS is an object oriented tokenizer, I think. Haven’t looked at it too much.
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Zegnat Not sure how that concept’s JS and PHP implementations would differ. Could be a lot.
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KartikPrabhu I would treat syntax highlighting as "enhancement" so JS would be fine