#dev 2018-01-07

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aaronparecki.com edited /subdomain (+122) "/* Subdomain advantages disadvantages */" (view diff)
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AngeloGladding hey guys I'm having trouble finding an example of a webaction endpoint (from /webactions "if the user is logged into your site: webaction buttons directly linking to endpoints on that logged in site")
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curve25519 TIL -dev
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curve25519 aaronpk: it's discovering the github id on the page, and when i click authenticate it's 502 on the response
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aaronpk checks
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curve25519 weird i refreshed the link page and it works now
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aaronpk weird, I don't see an error in the logs either
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curve25519 ...
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curve25519 not sure how that could happen heh
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kodo.ga edited /subdomain (-43) "page no longer active" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] It's Lea Verou code. Translating that to Tantek style code would be an interesting challenge.
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kodo.ga edited /p3k_naming_convention (+23) "possible names for identity" (view diff)
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kodo.ga edited /p3k_naming_convention (+32) "more identity" (view diff)
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kodo.ga edited /p3k_naming_convention (+9) "more identity" (view diff)
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Guest91777 AngeloGladding I have a webaction endpoint, didn't think to hook it up to indueauth!
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Guest91777 hmmm I'm on my phone so my nick is not set (this is mblaney) will have a look when i get home tomorrow.
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AngeloGladding Guest91777 (mblaney) i'm at your site and i entered mine in the "settings" dialog -- what is it looking for?
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AngeloGladding it's hanging while "Checking..."
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davidpeach.me created /User:Davidpeach.me (+216) "Created page with "Hi there! I'm back on the indieweb at last. I have previously used chegalabonga as my handle but have just grabbed a new domain. In the process of setting up my new site the..."" (view diff)
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@sandhawke @misuba @pfrazee I wonder what gave you the impression SoLiD folks like Webmention. I like Webmention, but I'm not actually a SoLiD person (despite having coined the name and working in the same office). (twitter.com/_/status/950014487570075650)
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sknebel funny how important it is to clarify that no, the SocialWG does not agree on the standards they published :P
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sknebel (or am I mixing people up here?)
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@rachelandrew @markboulton Go with Webmention https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2017/07/16/a-redesign/ (twitter.com/_/status/950025849738268673)
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:rachelandrew.co.uk-archive.png "https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/ https://indieweb.org/File:rachelandrew.co.uk-archive.png"
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:aaronparecki-month-archive.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:aaronparecki-month-archive.png"
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aaronpk I just got the sudden urge to set up an openstreetmap server myself
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:gregorlove-archives.png "https://gregorlove.com/archives/ https://indieweb.org/File:gregorlove-archives.png"
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aaronparecki.com edited /archive (+605) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add rachelandrew and some screenshots" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+39) "/* Article Archives */" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] re solid people liking webmention, there's a joke there about the webmention spec accepting u-like-of or [some solid version of it]
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aaronpk the spec does accept webmentions :D https://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?jsonp&target=https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/
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aaronparecki.com edited /YouTube (+124) "/* Content ID */" (view diff)
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@charlesroper @markboulton Webmentions! (twitter.com/_/status/950048644430028800)
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@Jayphen @markboulton @rachelandrew I am confused by Webmention. In this case it seems to make commenting much less inclusive, and also results in an inability to have discussions in comments… or am I misunderstanding the concept? (twitter.com/_/status/950049268663898112)
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GWG Why do you want an osm server, aaronpk?
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aaronpk to be able to geocode stuff without worrying about rate limits
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GWG I just had to chuck some of my weather work due to a location issue
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GWG aaronpk, may I ask how your location and your website interact?
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GWG I know that you use your location to show time and weather
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aaronpk my phone pushes my location to Compass, and there's a web hook configured there which pushes my current location to my website every time it gets new data. so my website always knows my current location
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aaronpk when a micropub request comes in without a published date, it uses its cached current location and adds that to the post
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GWG But how does it use that information?
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aaronpk if the micropub request has a published date, then it queries Compass for the location at that time
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aaronpk it uses the location to 1) display the location on the post, 2) set the timezone of the post to the local timezone, and 3) find weather information
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GWG First one is if it without a published location?
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GWG You said date twice
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aaronpk right, without date and with date
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GWG Are all of your posts publicly tagged with location?
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aaronpk if the micropub request includes a location, like my checkins, then it uses that instead
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aaronpk yeah location is always part of my posts if it's available
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GWG I still wonder about private locations
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GWG Because sometimes I want the neighborhood, but not the exact location. Like my house
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GWG You probably could figure out where I live, but I don't want to spell it out
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aaronpk flickr has a feature for that, which lets you define a region in which the location of photos is provided only coarsely
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aaronpk http://blog.flickr.net/en/2011/08/30/introducing-geofences-on-flickr/
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GWG How do you turn a fine location into a course one?
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aaronpk choose a level of granularity at which you're okay sharing
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aaronpk neighborhood or city for example
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GWG I need to figure out how I represent that. I am only storing a textual description and coordinates. I removed actual address data to make that a venue exclusive feature
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GWG But have yet to finish venues
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GWG I wonder if there is a good geofence library I can include rather than writing something
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aaronpk the easy version is just a simple trig formula
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GWG I confess to not having thought much about trig lately
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aaronpk here you go: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/07/6/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] gc_distance.php
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GWG I was also looking at weather icons and picked a set you coincidentally seem to use.
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GWG And discovered they have a night and day icon
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GWG So someday in the future I may add sunset/sunrise calculation. Fortunately, that seems built in to PHP
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aaronpk it is, but I can't get it to work quite right
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GWG Oh?
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aaronpk my icons are slightly off around sunrise/sunset
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GWG Zenith issue?
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aaronpk probably
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GWG I used to get into that fight over Friday night candle lighting arguments.
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aaronpk heh
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GWG They had a simple algorithm I couldn't code for
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GWG Namely, Candle lighting is whenever the President said it was
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GWG Either way, for now, you've given me a lot to think about
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GWG aaronpk, your experience is always a good resource
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GWG aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 102 karma in this channel (1527 overall)
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aaronpk happy to help
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loqi.me created /Fritter (+179) "prompted by Zegnat and dfn added by [kevinmarks]" (view diff)
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@shiflett @markboulton I debated using Webmentions but ultimately decided no comments this time. Let people respond thoughtfully with a post of their own. Bring blogging back. :-) (twitter.com/_/status/950067527958200320)
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@miklb @shiflett @markboulton that’s what a webmention is – a post on my blog in reply to someone else’s post. Just like how I’m using my site to create this reply that goes to Twitter. (twitter.com/_/status/950074698041356290)
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@kevinmarks @shiflett @markboulton if they respond with a post of their own, that's exactly what webmention is for - telling you that they have done so. (twitter.com/_/status/950076910993858561)
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@jensimmons @markboulton I bet we might be hungry for real debate in comments now. We aren’t having those conversations on Twitter anymore. We miss them. Webmentions is cool, but requiring people to blog in order to comment adds friction. We moved to Twitter because it reduced friction. (twitter.com/_/status/950079595688153088)
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@chriskrycho Just spent twenty minutes reading through the Webmention docs etc. 1. Better have an actual server; as with other comment approaches, static sites are a non-starter (no surprise, and fair). 2. It’s way too hard for most people to set up. Indie web needs better tools and UX. (twitter.com/_/status/950083608378728448)
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@kevinmarks @chriskrycho there are solutions for static sites - I use https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ for http://kevinmarks.com but yes it is too hard at the moment (twitter.com/_/status/950086677913055232)
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@schnarfed @chriskrycho usability is absolutely a top priority we need to keep improving! ...having said that, specs aren't for end users. tools and services are. we have a number that provide webmentions with little to no effort or expertise, including @microdotblog, @withknown, and @WordPress. (twitter.com/_/status/950087034290384896)
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@schnarfed @chriskrycho @microdotblog @withknown @WordPress static sites too! https://indieweb.org/static_site hell, even hosted blog silos like @tumblr, @wordpressdotcom, and @Blogger can do webmentions: https://brid.gy/about#blogs (twitter.com/_/status/950087666392956929)
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@petermolnar @chriskrycho Beginners don't usually use static sites and with WordPress, setting up webmentions is no too hard. There are solutions for static sites, but they require an always-on receiver which they can query on build time - this is what I'm doing as well. (twitter.com/_/status/950087698303406085)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Fritter (+462) "More wikilinks, where to discover some users, shout-out to KevinMarks who has Fritter." (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Silo.pub and woodwind.xyz are down again
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sknebel woodwind.xyz works for me?
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[kevinmarks] It hasn't fetched any feeds in 6 days
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dgold The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there is an error in the application.
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aaronpk gosh flickr is so broken for me
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aaronpk some permalinks just fail to load when I navigate
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aaronpk tried changing the name of a photo and it gave me an error
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (-89) "/* Need Further Thought */" (view diff)
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curve25519 Thought of an auth name
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curve25519 Authentic
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aaronpk hah that's cute
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curve25519 Oooooh brilliant idea
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curve25519 Webmention plugin for caddy
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curve25519 Have webmention support on every app on the server
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aaronpk that'd be sweet
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curve25519 I installed one for Hugo the other day that auto builds my site
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curve25519 Only downside to caddy is you have to recompile the webserver yourself
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curve25519 Which limits extensibility to go programmers heh
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curve25519 Which is kinda sad because adding plugin is only one line of code
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curve25519 Oh wow just learned caddy is really a plugin engine kinda like weechat. Even the http functionality is just a plugin
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