#dev 2018-01-09

2018-01-09 UTC
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning (+235) "/* 2018 */ stub for Summit" (view diff)
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gRegorLove What is freedom.io?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "freedom.io" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "freedom.io is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove Freedom.io is an open source project that can copy your Facebook, Twitter, and Google+ posts to WordPress, Tumblr, or Blogger https://github.com/snarfed/freedom
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Freedom.io (+188) "prompted by gRegorLove and dfn added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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Loqi [snarfed] freedom: UNMAINTAINED: Copies your Facebook, Twitter, and Google+ posts to a blog, with all formatting and details intact.
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snarfed ^ not recommended
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gregorlove.com edited /Freedom.io (+40) "links, note unmaintained" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Yeah, removing it from /Facebook and replacing with the wiki link as a sidenote.
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snarfed thx
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gRegorLove Didn't even know about it until today. Love finding all these cool things indieweb people have done, even if no longer recommended :)
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gregorlove.com edited /Facebook (-140) "/* How to export your data */ note about freedom.io, moved down" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Facebook (+114) "/* How to export your data */ Link to help article detailing what's included" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+439) "/* More 100 days projects */ split into more positive, less negative subsections, add unsubbing from mailing lists (dropped 2 today!)" (view diff)
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tantek still no one else attempting a 100days project?
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tantek maybe I should just add a 2018 section instead of having to dig for who is doing what now
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GWG tantek: Only until the next 100 days
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tantek.com edited /100DaysOfIndieWeb (+232) "consolidate the "presently doing" sections into just 2018" (view diff)
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gRegorLove when is next-hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2018-01-10 at tollwerkstatt https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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loqi.me edited /Facebook (+197) "tantek added "2018-01-05 Doc Searls: [http://doc.blog/2018/01/05/theHumanSolutionToFacebooksMachineproducedProblemsAlsoWontWork.html The human solution to Facebook's machine-produced problems also won't work]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Facebook (+257) "tantek added "2017-09-15 John Battelle: [https://shift.newco.co/lost-context-how-did-we-end-up-here-fd680c0cb6da Lost Context: How Did We End Up Here?] / Facebook and Google’s advertising platforms are out of control. That used to be a good thing. No..." (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Facebook (+306) "tantek added "2018-01-05 John Battelle: [https://shift.newco.co/its-the-advertising-model-stupid-b843cd7edbe9 Facebook Can’t Be Fixed.] / Facebook’s fundamental problem is not foreign interference, spam bots, trolls, or fame mongers. It’s the com..." (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Facebook (+183) "tantek added "2018-01-04 Washington Monthly: [https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/january-february-march-2018/how-to-fix-facebook-before-it-fixes-us/ How to Fix Facebook—Before It Fixes Us]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] This is interesting https://amphtml.wordpress.com/2018/01/09/improving-urls-for-amp-pages/amp/?__indieweb_impression=true
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[kevinmarks] Though the web packaging thing seems to be a bit overcomplicated as it signs things rather than just hashing them
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aaronpk What the... " __indieweb_impression=true"?
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ascraeus.org edited /website-analytics (+159) "/* Piwik */ Name changed to Matomo" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] that's just me messing with their URLs - it said __twitter_impression=true before
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[kevinmarks] I wonder what happens if you do __twitter_impression=false
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[kevinmarks] it's odd phrasing - Twitter impression makes me think of impersonation - Fritter or Quitter are Twitter impressions
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@nhoizey Nice idea: using Webmentions to build a message board https://github.com/jrsawvel/Warbler (twitter.com/_/status/950726328046751744)
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aaronpk whoa nice, totally missed that when it launched
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aaronpk https://github.com/jrsawvel/Warbler
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Loqi [jrsawvel] Warbler: Webmention-based message board
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[kevinmarks] Does that include a perl mf2 parser?
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aaronpk looks like it's parsing the HTML directly https://github.com/jrsawvel/Warbler/blob/master/lib/App/SourceURI.pm#L522
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[kevinmarks] Ouch.
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@oss_pl warbler - Webmention-based message board https://github.com/jrsawvel/warbler (twitter.com/_/status/950739578520068097)
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loqi.me created /TAI (+117) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by Zegnat" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /TAI (+1) "linkify ('x is y. <url>.' pattern)" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /mobile_posting (+257) "Link bookmarklet article for WordPress; emojicon" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /midnight (+144) "fix dfn. arbitrary is wrong. more like approximate. remove inaccurate statement about Swarm/4sq, also which exercise tracker breaks cross midnight? Strava works just fine" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /midnight (+32) "tantek added "[[timezone]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /silo-quits (+874) "/* Silo quitters 2017 */ lots of Twitter quitters, add Joël Franusic temp quit for a few months" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /email (+334) "why, how, stub how to posse" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /POSSE_to_email (+31) "prompted by tantek and redirect added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Twitter (+424) "tantek added "2017-12-27 NYT: [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/27/opinion/digital-nazi-hunter-trump.html Confessions of a Digital Nazi Hunter] <blockquote>The great irony of this whole affair is that Impostor Buster was doing Twitter’s job for it. Th..." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Twitter (+22) "fix crop" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Twitter (+403) "tantek added "2017-12-19 BuzzFeed: [https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/internal-emails-show-twitter-struggled-to-interpret-its-own Internal Emails Show Twitter Struggled To Interpret Its Own Verification Rules While Hunting Trolls] / Emails sugge..." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+122) "/* See Also */ add subheading" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+645) "/* See Also */ quote from wamo article" (view diff)
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tantek wow I just saw this: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/949749939927621633
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@benwerd I’m committed to running my own personal website, and I want to go back to real blogging, but I’m sick of doing server maintenance / software upgrades. Just saw my DB is down again, ffs. Moving to static files before too long. (twitter.com/_/status/949749939927621633)
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tantek finally!
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tantek db--
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Loqi db has -1 karma
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tantek what is database tax?
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Loqi The database antipattern is the use of a database for primary long-term storage of posts and other personal content (like on an indieweb site), and is an anti-pattern due to the additional maintenance costs, uninspectability, platform-dependence, and long-term fragility of databases and their storage files, as documented with specific examples below https://indieweb.org/database_tax
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tantek benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 2 karma in this channel (140 overall)
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tantek perhaps we'll see that static file backend for Known this year
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tantek.com edited /database-antipattern (+327) "/* DBA tax */ more examples, cite benwerd tweet" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] very useful encoding unmangler, with discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16103356
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Loqi [simonw] Ftfy – fix Unicode that's broken in various ways
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tantek what is encoding
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "encoding" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "encoding is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek.com edited /IRC (+14) "/* Spam */ update logbot info link - yay frag to exact heading!" (view diff)
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GWG I think I need something like aaronpk's compass
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GWG Unfortunately, I can't find an app that works with it
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[cleverdevil] I've seriously considered developing a flat-file storage backend for Known.
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@seotallerwp Estrategia inteligente de construcción de enlaces: seguir webmentions http://ift.tt/2CUMjxJ (twitter.com/_/status/950798656805965824)
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aaronpk GWG: the IceCondor app on android works with it
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GWG Thanks, that is what I needed to know
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GWG Any users doing that?
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sknebel What is IceCondor?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IceCondor" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IceCondor is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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snarfed that name tho
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk Oh wait I got it backwards
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aaronpk My Overland app can also send data to IceCondor
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aaronpk The Web service
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sknebel some other Android apps use MQTT, might be possible to adapt to the request format compass likes
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sknebel e.g. OwnTracks does/did, as did the recommended alternative
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GWG I have my location going to an mqtt server
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sknebel What is Owntracks?
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Loqi OwnTracks is an open source app for tracking your location and sharing with others, available on iOS and Android https://indieweb.org/OwnTracks
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sknebel ah
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GWG Using owntracks
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aaronpk Why do you need Compass then?
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aaronpk Wait what when did that happen!
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sknebel few months ago
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GWG Owntracks doesn't store
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GWG I installed it to add presence detection to HA. Not attached to it
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aaronpk Ah that explains it https://github.com/owntracks/android/issues/520#issuecomment-340085321
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Loqi [binarybucks] @neekz0r I‘m no longer using any Android devices for quite some time. Hence I cannot dedicate any time towards this project. @neelanshsahai how may I help you?
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GWG aaronpk, I would switch in a minute and try to integrate compass into HA
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aaronpk GWG: seems like it would certainly be possible to either push from HA to Compass or from the MQTT queue to Compass
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aaronpk in fact that's probably easier
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GWG Aaronpk, but if Owntracks Android is abandoned right now... but I would consider mqtt to compass instead of the owntracks recorder
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snarfed ohh, icecondor, fireeagle...that took me a minute
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aaronpk snarfed++
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dgold how hard is it to get compass up and running on a server?
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dgold aaronpk/compass i mean
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aaronpk It's a PHP app, you need Composer to install the dependencies. It also needs a MySQL database. If you're familiar with those things then it's pretty straightforward
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dgold setting up a mysql database is not my strong point, sadly
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dgold hence my strong preference for flat files
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aaronpk Yeah, it uses MySQL for user config stuff. The actual data is stored in files
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dgold i understand - but does Compass require a specificly configured mysql database for the user config stuff?
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aaronpk Specifically?
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aaronpk It should work with MySQL defaults if that's what you mean
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@GroundworkRocks Post Webmention test http://dlvr.it/Q9Y6lt (twitter.com/_/status/950822628217913344)
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dgold i've gotten the sql set up; i appear to be failing (badly) on the nginx configuration
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aaronpk hm I probably forgot to include an example in there
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aaronpk Look for docs on nginx config for Laravel, that should work
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Zegnat If compass uses Laravel for the DB management you should probably also be able to run it on any other Laravel compatible database driver, right? E.g. SQLite?
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[tantek] I think pretty much everyone here could respond to this ... with a post on their own site, POSSE replied to Twitter, perhaps challenging Evan to do the same ;) https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/950438838815485952
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@evanpro Who is making technology that is making the world a better place? (twitter.com/_/status/950438838815485952)
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aaronpk probably but I definitely haven't tested that
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snarfed ^ great timing 😂
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KartikPrabhu define "better place"
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loqi.me edited /Accelerated_Mobile_Pages (+24) "Zegnat added "http://ampletter.org/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Camlistore (+24) "name change to Perkeep" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de moved /Camlistore to /Perkeep "project name change"
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aaronpk lol
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@SteveMoser @inessential @brentsimmons Like Webmention? https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/950854164460040192)
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GWG I need some advice
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GWG How should I balance fixing bugs affecting other people vs adding new features?
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snarfed GWG you seem to ask this question every month or so :P
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GWG snarfed, I feel bad I am not using Bridgy Publish?
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[miklb] fixing bugs is a feature
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snarfed eh don't feel bad
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snarfed "you do you"
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snarfed i don't use it either :P
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GWG I meant, I wrote a plugin because I wanted to leave SNAP
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GWG snarfed, you are Mr. Manual
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GWG I really wanted Bridgy Publish to be easier, but most people don't markup their site consistently
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snarfed eh, scratch your own itch first
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tantek snarfed++
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/2014-11-06_happy-1000th-bridgy#really+worked
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Happy 1000th, Bridgy
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snarfed (re scratch your own itch)
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tantek hey did we pass 1M webmentions yet?
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snarfed tantek: maybe? still waiting on voxpelli and benwerd to count theirs
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GWG snarfed, Bridgy Publish didn't reach my itch despite my trying. But it did other people's.
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GWG On the other hand, Micropub is getting there
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snarfed https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1975 , https://github.com/voxpelli/webpage-webmentions/issues/45
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Loqi [snarfed] #1975 count total webmentions hosted known has received?
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[miklb] ✋
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snarfed lower bound on wm count right now is 984k (bridgy + wm.io)
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snarfed estimating 5-10k each for hosted known and wm.herokuapp, tomorrow is actually a reasonable guess for 1M
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snarfed i wonder if i can get that cake in a day turnaround
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snarfed i think the answer might be yes. who's in for 1M webmentions party at HWC tomorrow?
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sknebel what did you count from wm.io? doesn't it overlap a lot with the other counts?
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sknebel (since its receiving?)
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[miklb] just going to leave this here http://inessential.com/2018/01/09/app_idea_mentions
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snarfed sknebel: we de-duped! aaronpk counted wm.io minus bridgy
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tantek [miklb] looks like someone already pointed out Webmentions :)
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sknebel snarfed: ah. There's telegraph as another sender source aaronpk might have numbers on
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aaronpk I just replied to that with https://aaronparecki.com/2016/02/20/5/global-webmentions
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Enabling Global Webmentions with Telegraph and Superfeedr
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gRegorLove Whoa, never new about that. Very cool.
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aaronpk it's great! it sends a bunch of webmentions to old blog posts mostly haha
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Loqi hahahaha