#dev 2018-01-18

2018-01-18 UTC
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[kevinmarks] query my tweets https://datasette-idgfbtishe.now.sh/csv-data-265d39e?sql=select+text%2Ctimestamp+from+tweets+where+text+like+%22%25indieweb%25%22+order+by+timestamp+limit+1000
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snarfed cool! ...but wow that custom input box is badly broken in firefox
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snarfed fun: https://datasette-idgfbtishe.now.sh/csv-data-265d39e?sql=select+length%28text%29+as+len%2C+count%28*%29+num+from+tweets+group+by+len+order+by+num+desc
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snarfed wow you have a 665 char tweet. must have been a big canoe + urls
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www.boffosocko.com edited /commonplace_book (+292) "Nelson Minar example" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] that was the evil canoe experiment
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/847748105286041601
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@kevinmarks @eileentso @mikebutcher @azeem @ravmattu @kadhimshubber @mr_james_c @JoeScarboro @SteveLaitner @DreKoval @TheEuropas @MaybeCapital @paul_clarke @BetterCity @amarapatel @vgul @winjer @twehmeier @mediaczar @hare_brain @jbrazao @evilczar @GWR @atomico @ladyxtel @mk1969 @lynseybarber @axelheitmueller @ddunlop @4anya @matthewdeaners @john_field @jack @WhatsApp @Wendys @katie_martin_fx @RoyalMail @sainsburys @snackfight @meganamram @cjam @colettefahy_ @noahmp @LAYS @robmanuel @ConnorPM @hanelifou @designtaxi @highwaydebris @DDBSanFrancisco @FiveThirtyEight Then when your reply goes from very grey to less grey, hit the retweet button on it. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8POZZ7V0AI7gn7.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/847748105286041601)
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[kevinmarks] this is fun https://datasette-idgfbtishe.now.sh/csv-data-265d39e?sql=select+tweet_id%2Ctext%2Clength%28text%29+as+len%2C+count%28*%29+num+from+tweets+group+by+len+order+by+len+
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aaronpk whoa eddie looks like some great progress on Indigenous!
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[tantek] miklb, good luck with the site migration / resetup - sounds like a challenge indeed!
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[tantek] If you have a moment, please review the edits / updates to /https_admin_tax for for reduced "snark" (as you put it) and better reflecting existing wiki pages like /https. We'll keep iterating until we get it right.
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[tantek] needs to figure out how to implement delegation on his site so he can others post for / as him, things like the indie event for HWC SF.
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[tantek] tinbox << figure out how to implement delegation on his site so he can have others post for / as him, things like the indie event for HWC SF.
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Loqi ok, I added "figure out how to implement delegation on his site so he can have others post for / as him, things like the indie event for HWC SF." to the "See Also" section of /tinbox
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[miklb] tantek++ the https stuff sounds much better
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[kevinmarks] interesting https://opensource.googleblog.com/2018/01/opencensus.html
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eli_oat !tell dgold I think I've FINALLY cleaned up my h-cards! Thanks for pointing this issue out, also, thanks aaronpk for the guidance
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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eli_oat http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feli.li%2Fentry.php%3Fid%3D20180117151309
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@clivewalker Oooh, good, webmentions are working it seems [see Comments] :-) https://www.clivewalker.me/blog/2018-01-12-weeknotes-1 (twitter.com/_/status/953892180166348800)
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tantek.com created /bestnine (+23) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /best_nine (+213) "add examples" (view diff)
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sknebel eli_oat[m]: the url in your h-card should probably be your homepage, and not a link to the article., and there should be a u-url for the article in the h-entry
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dgold sknebel: maybe a question for microformats, but, how should a h-entry->author be styled on an individual h-entry
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Loqi dgold: eli_oat left you a message 13 hours, 4 minutes ago: I think I've FINALLY cleaned up my h-cards! Thanks for pointing this issue out, also, thanks aaronpk for the guidance
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dgold yay!
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Loqi woot
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aaronpk like visually styled?
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aaronpk that's up to you
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dgold oh, no, not visual styled, I've that showing my A-glyph, but it is currently "author": homepage; I'm not sure that's the best solution
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aaronpk there's a few options for what to use as the microformats author value. you can use just a URL, or a full h-card. it depends on what you want the page to look like really.
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aaronpk consumers will follow this to find your author info https://indieweb.org/authorship#How_to_determine
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sknebel just url works
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dgold hang on; didn't we have this conversation recently? I swear, everything I did just before I took ill with the 'flu has vanished from my mind & memory
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sknebel dgold: btw, the headline of the last bookmark on your site links to https://ascraeus.org/www.bbc.com/news/technology-42728336, that looks like a bug (as does the fact that this url delivers your homepage)
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sknebel quite possible we did
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dgold thanks sknebel
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dgold looking at that now
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sknebel authorship works with your style of author indication: http://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/test?url=https%3A%2F%2Fascraeus.org%2Fmicro%2F1516232263%2F
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sknebel you seem to have rel=me's on every page, they IMHO should only be on the homepage
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dgold ah. that's going to be awkward to fix
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dgold I have them in the headers, and in the footer
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dgold sknebel: okay, I have that mostly fixed
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aaronparecki.com edited /Category:IndieAuth (+170) "add errata section" (view diff)
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dgold just curious - my indieauth/token headers - I'm guessing they shouldn't be on sub-pages also.
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dgold how about webmention? seems like they should
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aaronpk indieauth/token correct, those shoudl only be on your profile page that you are using as the identity
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aaronpk the webmention header should be on any page that you want to accept webmentions for
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dgold ok, thanks
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dgold how about rel="hub"
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aaronpk any page you want to have people subscribe to. that also indicates that you're going to be notifying the hub any time you update that page.
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dgold i guess I added all these things in when I was in the first flush of indiewebbing my site
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dgold didn't think to go back and check the validity for everything afterwards
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dgold e.g. I have <link rel="self" href={homepage}"> on every page, and I'm not sure a) why or b) if I should
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aaronpk always {homepage}? that is not good
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aaronpk that tells websub subscribers to subscribe to your home page to get updates of the page they're looking at, which doesn't make sense
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dgold no, that's clearly wrong
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dgold i think only the homepage, and the 'section' pages should be subscribeable, with self={page}
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aaronpk seems reasonable
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dgold all done, thanks aaronpk & sknebel
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk quick question for ya.
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[cleverdevil] On this: https://github.com/cleverdevil/together/issues/19
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #19 Checkins not showing up
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aaronpk sure
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[cleverdevil] I'm looking at http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 for guidance on what a checkin in Known *should* look like.
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Loqi microformats2
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[cleverdevil] I'm struggling to understand what Known is doing wrong based upon the microformats2 guidance
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aaronpk checkins are still pretty experimental as far as microformats is concerned
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[cleverdevil] Ah, gotcha.
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aaronpk however, `geo` was never a proposed or valid h-entry property
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[cleverdevil] Known uses h-geo.
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aaronpk known has a property called "geo" which is weird
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aaronpk h-entry says that should be "location" http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Core_Properties
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML. ...
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aaronpk the location property can be an h-geo
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[cleverdevil] Got it, so really, just wrap the existing h-geo in a location.
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aaronpk more accurately, replace the "p-geo" class with "p-location"
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[cleverdevil] nods
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aaronpk if you want to play along with the experimental checkin support, then there's more to the story
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aaronpk but at least that small change will make the location of the post recognized
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[cleverdevil] OK, I made that change on my site.
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[cleverdevil] https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcleverdevil.io%2F2018%2Fchecked-into-loews-santa-monica
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[cleverdevil] Not seeing the location still with XRay.
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aaronpk hm, XRay doesn't actually look for locations of h-entry yet
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[cleverdevil] Ah, gotcha.
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[cleverdevil] Is there a draft that I could implement that would make it recognize it?
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aaronparecki.com edited /checkin (+542) "/* Publish */ add some markup examples" (view diff)
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aaronpk here's what I and OwnYourSwarm do: https://indieweb.org/checkin#Publish
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aaronparecki.com edited /checkin (+513) "/* Publish */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /checkin (+177) "/* Publish */" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Cool, I'll take a look in a bit, thanks for the guidance!
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GWG Afternoon
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aaronparecki.com moved /Template:slideshow-css to /Template:slideshow "has js and css"
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aaronparecki.com moved /Template:slideshow-css/doc to /Template:slideshow/doc
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aaronparecki.com moved /Template:slideshow-start to /Template:slideshow/start
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aaronpk the new bootstrap examples are nice https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.0/examples/
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GWG snarfed, I expected I would someday suggest the REST API.
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snarfed i think you did a long time ago 😂
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GWG snarfed, I just didn't think I would seriously think about doing it over error message handling
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GWG snarfed, I think I will see if aaronpk can mentor me in building a token endpoint first though
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snarfed GWG++ sgtm
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[kevinmarks] same 12 column model though
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aaronparecki.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+331) "/* 2018 */" (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /site-deaths (+356) "/* Past */ HuffPo contributor platform" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk like this? - https://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcleverdevil.io%2F2018%2Fchecked-into-loews-santa-monica
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[cleverdevil] If it looks right, I'll push a PR up to Known 🙂
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aaronpk almost!
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aaronpk since you're providing an h-card, drop the h-geo class, no need for both
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[cleverdevil] OK
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[cleverdevil] Done.
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aaronpk looks good other than that, at least for this first pass!
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[cleverdevil] Thanks for the help.
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aaronpk there is more info coming from ownyourswarm that can be stored eventually, but that will be a bigger project. like the venue URL for example
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, that'll also require much more significant updates to Known, both to the Checkin plugin and to the Micropub endpoint, which continues to need a refactor 😕
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[cleverdevil] I've not seen any activity on Known in weeks, so I'm not sure if the latest changes with Known from the commercial side have caused a loss of any resources working on it.
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aaronpk well at least this small improvement will make the checkins show up in Together!
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snarfed [cleverdevil]: it's pretty much all mapkyca, right? so probably not :P
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk that was my goal!
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[cleverdevil] snarfed yeah, as far as I can tell... but, I think he was being contracted by Known the commercial entity.
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snarfed ah ok
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[cleverdevil] But, I am not 100% sure about that.
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[cleverdevil] Would be good to get an update from people in the know.
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[cleverdevil] In The Known. :rimshot:
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aaronpk 🥁💥
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[cleverdevil] https://github.com/idno/Known/pull/1976
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #1976 Update the microformats for Checkin posts to match the draft spec.
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk https://github.com/idno/Known/pull/1976
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Loqi [cleverdevil] #1976 Update the microformats for Checkin posts to match the draft spec.
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[cleverdevil] Oops
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[cleverdevil] Wrong link.
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[cleverdevil] http://share.cleverdevil.io/vhQg2Vugiy.png
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aaronpk nice
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