#dev 2018-01-27

2018-01-27 UTC
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loqi.me created /New_York_University (+392) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /NYU (+32) "prompted by tantek and redirect added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk++ ^^^ really appreciate the confirmation of redirect instead of new page
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Loqi aaronpk has 110 karma in this channel (1553 overall)
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aaronpk oh yeah hah
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aaronpk text interface design is fun
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tantek.com edited /New_York_University (+198) "add screenshot linked to @dietrich's tweet" (view diff)
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tantek what is text interface design
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "text interface design" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "text interface design is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is text design
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/text_design
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tantek.com edited /text_design (+0) "r--" (view diff)
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tantek text design << microcopy
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Loqi ok, I added "[[microcopy]]" to the "See Also" section of /text-first_design
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tantek microcopy << text design
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Loqi ok, I added "[[text-first design]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /microcopy
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loqi.me edited /microcopy (+41) "tantek added "[[text-first design]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek text interface design is /text_design
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /text_interface_design (+24) "prompted by tantek and redirect added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /text_interface_design (+6) "r--" (view diff)
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tantek NYC << NYU
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Loqi ok, I added "[[New York University]]" to the "See Also" section of /NYC
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tantek NYU << NYC
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Loqi ok, I added "[[NYC]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /New_York_University
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loqi.me edited /New_York_University (+27) "tantek added "[[NYC]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /New_York_University (+23) "max width" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Colloq (+707) "stub a how to posse, no h-event" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: I get "The 'state' parameter: 2130544985 doesn't match the value originally set."
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mblaney thanks yes I can see that the callback is getting called twice from your browser, so the state parameter is getting overwritten.
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mblaney I'm going to change how that works.
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mblaney KartikPrabhu: I can replicate the bug by clicking the log in button twice! thanks :-)
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KartikPrabhu mblaney: I don't think I clicked it twice though
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mblaney sure, I don't know why two events get fired in your browser but that is the behaviour I see that causes the bug, and a case I can protect against pretty easily.
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KartikPrabhu interesting
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KartikPrabhu also noticed that hitting "Enter" inside the form field does not submit the form. I have to click the button. I don't know if this is related
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mblaney aaah that does make sense. the enter is the first event, the callback is meant to redirect after that from javascript...
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KartikPrabhu yeah I naturally hit the "Enter" but that did not do anything so I clicked the button
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KartikPrabhu Let me try not hitting Enter
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KartikPrabhu hey! that worked
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mblaney :-D
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KartikPrabhu hmm so some how the javascript is doing someting weird
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mblaney I need to step away... will be back soon.
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@decadecity ☑️ Webmention reciever support (twitter.com/_/status/957232235316436996)
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dgold TIL the NFL has a github account
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dgold mostly react and js stuff
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[eddie] I’ve set up a test IndieAuth/micropub/microsub endpoint for Apple’s Beta testing of Indigenous and submitted a new build to be reviewed for beta testing… here’s to hoping this one doesn’t get rejected, now that they can properly test the app.
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[eddie] crosses fingers
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[miklb] wow
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aaronpk wow jeez
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aaronpk what did that take?
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aaronpk is it open source?
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[eddie] It’s not open source yet because the micropub is a bit glitchy, but enough for Apple to use it since Indigenous doesn’t display your post from your website. But I’m gonna take this base and build on it for my two cat’s sites. So once I get it polished up so it can actually be fully functional I’m gonna open source it
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[eddie] well microsub is just an account for the indieauth user at my local monocle server
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aaronpk neat
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[eddie] Yeah, it’s really nice having that local. I’ve got my main microsub, this test microsub and I’m probably gonna set up an account for my wife to use as well
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[eddie] But the IndieAuth/Micropub test site is pretty fun.
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[eddie] It’s exciting to think I knew nothing about this stuff a year ago and now I was able to pull that off.
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[eddie] oh! and Media Endpoint included
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[miklb] eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 13 karma in this channel (31 overall)
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aaronpk that's awesome
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dgold that's great work eddie
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dgold what was the basis for the rejection?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "basis for the rejection" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "basis for the rejection is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[eddie] dgold: since it’s an IndieAuth based login they couldn’t log into the app to test it out
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[eddie] So now I have a test url that supports IndieAuth via a simple password, and I provided them that url and password so they can login and fully do their tests. The funny thing is the first Beta I guess they didn’t bother trying to test.
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dgold ah, okay, I didn't follow that from your earlier comments
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[eddie] Oh yeah I didn’t state that clearly
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[cleverdevil] eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 14 karma in this channel (32 overall)
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[cleverdevil] Can't wait for the Indigenous update 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Between Micro.blog, Sunlit, and Indigenous, I am getting pretty close to having a perfect setup on iOS.
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[cleverdevil] Just need Micro.blog to support syndication via Micropub (same with Sunlit, plus other Micropub tweaks).
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[cleverdevil] Oh, and I need to figure out Together for iOS at some point 😛
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[eddie] Speaking of Microsub. I’m curious what you all think about discoverability of responses. The Twitter iOS app and Together have the “like, bookmark, reply” buttons available all the time. Tweetbot and Twitterrific hide the response buttons until the item is clicked.
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[eddie] Anyone have any strong thoughts on that? I’m trying to figure out which way to take Indigenous
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[cleverdevil] I think on a smaller screen, hiding the buttons until the content is tapped on makes sense.
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[cleverdevil] (And, if Indigenous becomes a full-blown Microsub reader, I won't bother with Together on iOS!)
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[eddie] It’s pretty close
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[eddie] Image uploaded from iOS https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F8ZR2KFAR/image_uploaded_from_ios.png?pub_secret=2d0dff8fba&name=Image uploaded from iOS.png
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KartikPrabhu [cleverdevil]: making Together a PWA might help. instead of catering to each OS or browser
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[eddie] Yeah, that would be a great approach for Together
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, that's very likely what we'd do.
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: I like [cleverdevil]'s idea of showing buttons on large screens but hiding them away in one "menu" button on smaller ones
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[cleverdevil] That's look pretty good, eddie.
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[eddie] Awesome. That’s good to hear. I felt like having buttons at the bottom of every table view cell didn’t seem like a good idea. But I also didn’t want to necessarily hide it all away
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[cleverdevil] s/look/looking
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[eddie] Thanks cleverdevil
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KartikPrabhu yeah that looks very nice
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KartikPrabhu what is indigenous?
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Loqi Indigenous is a native app for iOS and macOS for posting your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Indigenous
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[cleverdevil] Gonna have to update that description 😉
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dgold [eddie]: I prefer the hide-until approach
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dgold the constant presence of the icons on twitter official app is both off-putting and very cluttered
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[eddie] lol That’s true cleverdevil
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[eddie] Great. I’m one that feels like the tap on cell to reveal response options is pretty safe (Tweetbot, Twitterrific and Overcast all do this). So I’m thinking I’ll go with one of those options.
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[eddie] Tweetbot and Overcast add an extra bar below the cell when you tap on it. Twitterific just overlays the bar on top of the “date-time” info. I think I’m leaning towards adding a bar below initially
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aaronpk oh yeah I like the little row that appears below when you tap on it
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Indigenous (+166) "update description" (view diff)
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[eddie] What is indigenous?
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Loqi Indigenous is a native app for iOS currently in beta that supports posting your website using Micropub and a built-in reader that supports microsub https://indieweb.org/Indigenous
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dgold the bar is a far nicer approach
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dgold (just fired up both to remind self)
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[eddie] What is indigenous?
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Loqi Indigenous is a native app for iOS currently in beta that supports posting your website using Micropub and a built-in reader that supports microsub, there are also plans to develop Indigenous for macOS as micropub menu bar/share sheet application https://indieweb.org/Indigenous
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[eddie] There we go
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[eddie] too long? or is that a good explanation?
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: maybe keep the future plans out of the description?
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[eddie] Sounds good 👌
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[eddie] Glad to hear the table cell underbar seems to be a highly enjoyed approach. I’ll have to add that to 0.2.2
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[kevinmarks] The additional problem of syndication buttons applies as well.
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www.boffosocko.com edited /event (+132) "/* Silo Examples */ Lanyrd" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Lanyrd (+280) "online in read-only mode, but with no export and no indication of how long it will stay online" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] I know Brent Simmons is interested in IndieWeb now.
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[cleverdevil] eddie it may be interesting to put some of indigenous into Evergreen!
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[miklb] other way to look at it is if Indigenious is on macOS for micropub, he doesn’t have to build it in and can focus on Microsub. Just added `h-feed` support
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[eddie] Yeah, I think getting Evergreen to support Microsub and Micropub like Together and Indigenous for iOS is the way to go. At least initially. I envision Indigenous for macOS just as a light weight Micropub client. Maybe a system wide key shortcut to open the posting interface and a share sheet
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[eddie] Where as I can see Evergreen being more like what Indigenous for iOS and Together for Web
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[eddie] I’ve definitely been following the Evergreen updates and read the programming guide he published
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[eddie] And maybe that means Indigenous for macOS should get a different name since it’s meant to be different than Indigenous for iOS
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aaronpk I would expect an ios and mac app with the same name to have similar functionality :)
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[miklb] eddie understood
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[eddie] Yeah, I’ll have to think of a new name for what is currently referred to as “Indigenous for macOS”. (Menu bar/share sheet)
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sknebel Indigenous Share? or totally different?
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[eddie] Probably totally different I’m thinking
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[eddie] #NamesAreHard
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[eddie] 😞
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aaronpk yes yes they are
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