#dev 2018-01-30

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loqi.me created /Google_Chrome (+77) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Thanks!
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tantek.com edited /Google_Chrome (+295) "why IndieWeb, most recently IWC Austin used for demos. also downtime screenshot" (view diff)
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[eddie] Yeah, when I realized the standard was application/json I too hastily removed the urlencoded version which apparently is still used in Known, a pretty big IndieAuth provider. 😆 The lesson today is be careful about how quickly you remove legacy support
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+606) "more 2018-01 specs, Jekyll mf2 support" (view diff)
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[eddie] Yay for Version Control! I was able to pull the urlencoded code from beta 1 and copy it back into the project.
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[eddie] versioncontrol++
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Loqi versioncontrol has 1 karma
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Loqi :D
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tantek.com edited /microcopy (+244) "MacOS good example" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] nothing like using spiderpig on a site authored by non-coders to find a lot of fun new exceptions
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tantek was it generated by a tool?
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[kevinmarks] No, they managed to do things like paste a paragraph of text into the href, and make links with spaces in and so on
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tantek neat
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[kevinmarks] hm, and now the site is giving me 401 on every page
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[kevinmarks] is http://the-toast.net/ working for anyone else?
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aaronpk heh maybe they noticed you were crawling it
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+608) "/* 2007 */ Fucked Company" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+475) "/* Upcoming */ 2019 TinyLetter per businessinsider" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] I was crawling it because the editors asked for help extracting their clips
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[kevinmarks] even via a vpn I get a 401 😞
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sknebel [kevinmarks]: 401 from here too
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[kevinmarks] well bugger.
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[kevinmarks] Now to write a 'get it from the internet archive if it is a 401' function
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loqi.me edited /Evergreen (+66) "chrisaldrich added "http://inessential.com/2018/01/25/evergreen_diary_9_on_indieweb" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+104) "/* Upcoming */ date/link MailChimp Acquires TinyLetter" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /bitcoin (+494) "Criticism / Insecure Wallet Services, two citations" (view diff)
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ScalaWilliam Thanks @snarfed. Will look.
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tantek.com edited /TinyLetter (+44) "acquired by mailchimp" (view diff)
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tantek lots packed into this reply from Estelle: https://twitter.com/estellevw/status/957496743255408640
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@estellevw @ChrisAldrich Yeah, i used it as a diary. Much easier than updating my own site. But, when it goes down you realize the easy route isn't always the best. (twitter.com/_/status/957496743255408640)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Microsub (+150) "audio description of microsub" (view diff)
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[eddie] aaronpk: On a scale of Never to Tomorrow, how open would you be to Overland becoming a swift app? 😉
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KartikPrabhu that is a very large scale! infinitely large I might add
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www.boffosocko.com edited /lost_infrastructure (+28) "adding Microsub" (view diff)
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[eddie] 😆
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[eddie] that is true
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tantek.com edited /Lanyrd (+41) "read-only, not quite dead yet" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /chat (+25) "tantek added "https://xkcd.com/1782/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:Lanyrd-in-read-only-mode.png "Screenshot of the top of Lanyrd's dashboard page indicating it's in "read only mode" during it's sunsetting. (Perhaps "death watch mode" would have been more apt?) https://indieweb.org/File:Lanyrd-in-read-only-mode.png"
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Lanyrd (+251) "/* Downtime 2018-01 */ screenshot of Lanyrd in read only mode" (view diff)
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tantek highly recommend anyone who used Lanyrd go sign-up on notist and do the import
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tantek directions on the wiki are fine
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tantek the notist HTML export has decent mf2 h-event but has significant opportunity for improvement and I think even richer data from Lanyrd
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tantek let's help improve this
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chrisaldrich I suspect it was Drew's build out of webmentions for Perch that may have gotten him into it, but I'm not sure who may have helped him if was anyone here. Maybe aaronpk or adactio perhaps?
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aaronpk [eddie]: oh gosh, that sounds drastic
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@ramsey @ericlbarnes I’m using it. I likely won’t get much value out of it until I set up webmentions on my blog and hook things together with https://brid.gy. If you’re really interested in it, you should read up on the #IndieWeb project. That might make you even more interested. (twitter.com/_/status/958164514704363527)
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tantek chrisaldrich: I think Drew's familiar enough with microformats to get it on his own initially :) (drew's been involved with #microforamts since at least 2007, perhaps earlier)
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tantek #microformats that is
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aaronpk Has Swift stopped changing every Xcode version? The thing that was super frustrating about Swift a few years ago was that the language kept changing and so you'd have to rewrite your app like every year in order to be able to compile it
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[eddie] It has stopped changing SO much.
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@ramsey @davidhemphill @JacobBennett @ericlbarnes There is a tool to import your Twitter archive into http://Micro.blog, though it couldn’t handle my archive going back to 2007, so I wouldn’t recommend it. You can use http://Micro.blog with your own blog, if your blog supports webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/958165260623589377)
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[eddie] There are still some minor changes but most of them are done
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chrisaldrich I would have suspected as much, but wanted to help find the nudge. Impressive that they've gotten so far with that project.
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aaronpk [eddie]: what would be the benefit of switching?
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[eddie] Just more likely that I would be able to chip in code from time to time. lol
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[eddie] Selfish reason 😄
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[eddie] haha
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aaronpk hehe
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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aaronpk I only learned a little bit of Swift but I like it better already
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aaronpk Rewriting that main tracker class would be a bit of work
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aaronpk The rest of the app is simple UI stuff
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aaronpk But yeah I'd be open to it if it means getting more help with the app :-)
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[eddie] Cool, nothing that needs to happen tomorrow, I really enjoy Overland but also think there are some cool things we could do with it, so I’d be excited to work on it from time to time. So something to think about.
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[eddie] Two things to think about: first, I can read objective-c just not write it. So there is potential that I could help with the conversation. Second, you CAN mix Swift and ObjC in the same project. So we could leave the existing stuff but write new stuff in Swift in the short term
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loqi.me created /Mapzen (+192) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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[eddie] So that doesn’t mean you’d have to sit down and rewrite everything from scratch, it could be incremental
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (-8) "/* Upcoming */ linky Mapzen" (view diff)
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aaronpk The easy thing to start with would be replacing the views with swift versions. I'd have no problem with that
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aaronpk I'll have to get better at Swift so I won't be much help with that for now tho
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aaronpk But I'd be a lot less nervous if the tracker classees don't have to change for now
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[eddie] Yeah. That makes sense! I think keeping the tracker classes in Obj-C is good. I think the views and app delegate are the big part that is beneficial for Swift.
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[kevinmarks] whee, now spiderpig is using an internet archive proxy I just added to mention.tech to repair the fiels that got 401 versions
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[kevinmarks] as the proxy returns the exact file contents, it doubles as a relative URL breaker
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[kevinmarks] eg https://mention.tech/getfromarchive?url=http://indieweb.org
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Loqi Main Page
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[kevinmarks] and just realised that I can stop using anonymous functions for callbacks and fix the DRY problem
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@ramsey @ericlbarnes It appears to work really well for hooking things up for the sake of webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/958191950565396480)
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aaronpk "We should not seek to build software. Software is the currency that we pay to solve problems."
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aaronpk https://matthewrocklin.com/blog//work/2018/01/27/write-dumb-code
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Zegnat Face palm emoji URL seems right now, tantek
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tantek :)
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/alambert/status/958050456101642241
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@alambert so, you avoid vendor lock-in by building your own. and then later realize you still have vendor lock-in, but you're the vendor, and there are no other customers. oops. (twitter.com/_/status/958050456101642241)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Medium (-150) "move custom domains to /* issues */ (1/2)" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Medium (+215) "/* Walled Garden / Content Farm */ no custom domains anymore" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub-spec (+179) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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Zegnat aaronpk is that `_` prefix to be like the `mp-` prefix in the Micropub spec?
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aaronpk kinda yeah
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aaronpk tho with mp- that's about giving a command to the server. in this case it's the server returning extra data
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Zegnat Ah, gotcha
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aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub-spec (+976) "/* Brainstorming */ channel order" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Microsub-spec () "(-11617) move all discussion to github issues so it's easier to follow" (view diff)
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aaronpk *whew*
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/microsub/issues
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Zegnat starts watching repo
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Zegnat I wonder if people would want to order their follows too, thinking of people who are used to the old feeds-in-folders structure.
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Zegnat Do any readers allow sorting of feeds within folders?
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[eddie] Wow! Microsub repo already has 13 people watching it!
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[eddie] That is an interesting concept. Almost like “Priority Podcasts” in Overcast?
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Zegnat Not sure, I do not know Overcast
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[eddie] If you set a “podcast” as a “priority podcast” all the new podcast items that come in appear in the top of the list, all non priority podcasts appear beneath them. There is no dilation within the list itself, but it basically ensures that the things you ALWAYS want to see/listen to you see/listen to first
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[eddie] Allowing a user to set preferences for who and what types of content are priorities for them, and then allowing the system to maintain that. Pretty interesting in my opinion 🙂
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Zegnat Ah, that’s interesting! Not what I meant though
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[eddie] It’s an interesting concept for Readers, because it’s kind of heading down the “Facebook” algorithm path while providing full control to the user.
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Zegnat I meant something along the lines of https://www.newsblur.com/api#/reader/save_feed_order , where it seems possible to not only order the folders (what would be channels) but also the feeds (what would be follows) within the folders
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jeremycherfas You can indeed drag and drop feeds into the order you want within folders in Newsblur. I sometimes even remember to do that.
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tantek good morning #indieweb-dev
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tantek really enjoying watching the /reader discussion :)
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[eddie] ohhh gotcha!
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, good to know! I couldn’t get it to work on my free Newsblur account of yesteryear
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jeremycherfas Now you have made me nervous. Off to check.
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Zegnat Haha
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Loqi rofl
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jeremycherfas I was wrong. You can sort sites by various criteria, but it does not look as if you can do anything arbitrary.
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jeremycherfas It would be nice to see if I can find the bit of NewsBlur code that used to share to ADN and see whether it could be adapted to share to Micro.blog or more generally.
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[eddie] aaronpk: Indigenous forces the need for a read scope in order to use the reader. When I just started logging in to Together, I don’t see it requesting a read scope. Does Monocle expect the token endpoint to return a read scope currently?
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@nxD4n @fulc927 @gchampeau Pour la dopamine, on a les #webmention , bon, il faut tout faire soi-même, mais si ça marche, c'est encore plus gratifiant https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/958374396552458240)
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tantek aaronpk ^^^ worth translating if you haven't already :)
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tantek actually that whole thread from the top - so much RSS handwringing drama lol
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tantek and JSON feed and gems like this translation:
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tantek "the general public never really used the rss feeds" - said in a few ways by a few people
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[kevinmarks] wired is now a PWA, so when i clicked on my faint design essay it prompted me to install
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tantek worth reading from top of thread (with Twitter translation as necessary) https://twitter.com/gchampeau/status/958051546222211073
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@gchampeau La plus grosse erreur collective sur Internet aura été d'abandonner si facilement l'usage du flux RSS, au profit de plateformes qui décident ce qu'on voit et ce qu'on ne voit plus. https://twitter.com/eparody/status/958050765964218368 (twitter.com/_/status/958051546222211073)
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tantek KevinMarks, your essay got upgraded to an app?
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KevinMarks Well, the app is all of wired
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@CedricSoulas @hsablonniere I finally watched this talk by @adactio Thanks for sharing it! Inspiring intro, details and demos about the Indie Web building blocks (PESOS/POSSE, Micropub, Webmention...) 💯 (twitter.com/_/status/958378936454565888)
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hans.gerwitz.com created /User:Hans.gerwitz.com (+36) "My First Page" (view diff)
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snarfed aaronpk et al, just fyi re microsub, one feature i like in my reader is that it surfaces feeds that start failing, e.g. when an RSS feed HTTP fetch starts 404ing
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loqi.me edited /ind.ie (+42) "chrisaldrich added "https://indienet.info/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk good idea snarfed
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aaronpk [eddie] oops that might be a "todo" with monocle... I dont think it checks scope at all yet!
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aaronpk this is why it's not even alpha yet 😂
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[eddie] Ahh, gotcha. That’s not a big deal, I just noticed Together wasn’t requesting it, and while debugging Known, it wasn’t providing a “read” scope, so I figured I should check in on things.
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aaronpk I should bump that up in the priority list :)
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Loqi +1
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[eddie] cleverdevil I *think* I have your issue fixed. I’m gonna push 0.2.2 with a login fix, hopefully Apple gives a quick turn around
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[cleverdevil] Awesome, thanks eddie. Looking forward to giving it a shot!
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aaronpk replying to github issues from my site 🎉
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snarfed is jealous
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snarfed eyes https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/333
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Loqi [snarfed] #333 add GitHub support
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snarfed coincidentally i shipped github support in oauth-dropins (a necessary first step) just this morning: https://oauth-dropins.appspot.com/
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snarfed aaronpk: you're using (your own) silo.pub, right?
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aaronpk yea
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[eddie] aaronpk: do you read things on GitHub.com or do you have it in Monocle somehow?
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snarfed [eddie]: github has rss feeds for notifications (issues, PRs, comments, etc)
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aaronpk I haven't found a good feed from github at all
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aaronpk What I want is a feed of everything they send me an email about
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gRegorLove Loqi, any messages?
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snarfed aaronpk: agreed. one thought: we could use a dedicated email address, and connect it to an email-to-rss gateway
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aaronpk I was thinking about doing that for myself, but that could be an interesting service
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aaronpk I still don't understand why https://github.com/notifications is different
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snarfed lots of email to rss gateways exist afaik
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aaronpk it's kind of the same info, but that page is grouped by project, which actually isn't helpful in this case
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KartikPrabhu yeah I woke up t 19 emails from microsub repo
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snarfed yup agreed
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aaronpk haha sorry KartikPrabhu
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Loqi hehe
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KartikPrabhu no worries. but for a second I thought something was messsed up at work
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aaronpk I guess if you have "automatically watch repos" on that would happen, since I just created that repo this morning
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KartikPrabhu yeah I think it was from being in the indieweb "organization"
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@zsbenke Trying out webmentions? http://decoding.io/inserting-timestamps/ (twitter.com/_/status/958461341156741123)
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loqi.me edited /net_neutrality (+192) "tantek added "2018-01-25 LA Times: [http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-net-neutrality-burger-king-20180125-story.html Burger King ad explains net neutrality with flame-grilled Whoppers] (photo, video)" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /planet (+221) "OPML file of some Indie sites for subscription in a feed reader" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Indieweb_for_Education (+2611) "MLA Commons, Science Sites -- (Gen2+ platform possibilities); Workshop of one's own; WPCampus Online Conference" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+280) "The "Indie" Fallacy by Julien Genestoux" (view diff)
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[eddie] Well that’s strange.... Xcode is claiming I don’t have an iOS distribution certificate... if not, how did I publish Indigenous on TestFlight several days ago??
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aaronpk lol did it just forget?
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gregorlove.com edited /Dopplr (-4) "unlink dfn [new domain owner], note domain in text of dfn" (view diff)
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[eddie] It expired two days ago :( you’d think Xcode could auto-renew?????
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[eddie] Well this is a first, I’ve never had to renew an iOS certificate before. Haha!
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Loqi hehe
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[eddie] Apparently you don’t renew them. You just create new ones
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aaronpk Oh nice
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[eddie] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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gRegorLove Yeah, that was annoying when I ran into that earlier this year.
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aaronpk Happy XCodeiversary
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[eddie] 🎉🎉 thanks. Haha
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GWG Evening
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