#dev 2018-01-31

2018-01-31 UTC
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[kevinmarks] Instagram adds a posting API that it will bill for, kills current api https://business.instagram.com/blog/instagram-api-features-updates
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snarfed ooh
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snarfed ugh. still only for #brands.
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GWG What should the button to lookup location look like?
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schmarty GWG: map apps often use a compass icon for a button that zeroes in on your location
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location/pull/57 - This is what was presented at IWC Baltimore.
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Loqi [kingkool68] #57 Clean Up and Prettyify Location Metabox
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GWG So, @kingkool68 noted that my icons didn't make it clear what the action does
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schmarty the words are much clearer than icons
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GWG schmarty: But the size of the box doubled.
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GWG I'm trying to find a middle ground
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schmarty fair enough. i might suggest collapsing some of the layout to be side-by-side, to use less whitespace overall.
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GWG How so?
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schmarty there are several ways you could lay out the forms or possibly reduce the size of some elements before converting the text on the buttons into icons.
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schmarty for example, the weather detail boxes could be on the same line as the "Get the Weather" button.
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schmarty depending on the number of available options, the Show: select box might work better as a couple of radio buttons without a label.
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GWG Well, I'm going to be getting rid of the button. If you retrieve location, weather will come with it.
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GWG I've already taken it out
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schmarty that's neat
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schmarty i also feel like the free-form "Location" box could be smaller, and the related buttons could sit on the same line.
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GWG What is a really good example of a location box?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "really good example of a location box" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "really good example of a location box is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG What site really does one nicely?
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schmarty just some ideas.
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schmarty for now it is time for me to get to bed!
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GWG Ok
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@_am1t Facing an issue parsing webmentions accessed via http://webmention.io api. I am not sure what the sort order should be – neither id nor verified_date look to be correct. aaronpk #journal (twitter.com/_/status/958575898659377153)
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jeremycherfas.net edited /site-deaths (+567) "/* Upcoming */ Details on data availability from TinyLetter." (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Location tends to be either a Google maps inverted teardrop or gunsights
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Zegnat Interesting question to ponder, re TinyLetter not having an export function for previous newsletters: if GDPR allows me to request a overview of all my social media posts, would it also allow me to request all my previously sent emails from TinyLetter/MailChimp?
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Zegnat jeremycherfas++ for the follow up btw!
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Loqi jeremycherfas has 4 karma in this channel (13 overall)
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Zegnat [kevinmarks] do you have any idea what the origin of that “inverted teardrop” is? Was GMaps the first to use that?
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jeremycherfas Good question zegnat
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@_am1t @manton How does crossposting from http://micro.blog to twitter handle the syndication? Will the webmentions be pulled back to the post on website? I realised Bridgy didn’t send a webmention for the activity on twitter. (twitter.com/_/status/958657399275040768)
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dgold Zegnat: pdfpiw.uspto.gov/50/209/D06/1.pdf
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dgold DISPLAY SCREEN OF A COMMUNICATIONS TERMINAL WITH TEARDROP SHAPED MARKER ICON
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dgold Google Patent from 2008
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Zegnat Cool, nice find!
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[miklb] !tell eddie Indigenious doesn’t seem to be finding my syndication targets. Any suggestions on how to debug? Other micropub clients like Quill seem to work.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[kevinmarks] The icons are now openly reusable as part of material design
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dgold [kevinmarks]: but isn't that _just_ as part of Material? Any use of the icon outside that scope would be litigatable
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[kevinmarks] Search for location here https://material.io/icons/
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[kevinmarks] “The icons are available under the Apache License Version 2.0. We'd love attribution in your app's "about" screen, but it's not required. The only thing we ask is that you not re-sell these icons.”
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[kevinmarks] SVG here https://github.com/google/material-design-icons/blob/master/README.md
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dgold so it has the usual patent-strikeback clause
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dgold You can use these, but if you annoy us, then you have to pay us
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dgold that's a great clause to use as a vendor, but not great to use as a consumer
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Zegnat I thought the Apache clause was more of a “you can use it as long as you do not try to sue us” thing?
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[eddie] miklb hmm interesting question. Let me think about how to investigate that
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Loqi [eddie]: [miklb] left you a message 1 hour, 39 minutes ago: Indigenious doesn’t seem to be finding my syndication targets. Any suggestions on how to debug? Other micropub clients like Quill seem to work.
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jeremych_ What does it mean when `host IP` returns `not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)`
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dgold so it is Zegnat; i was thinking of something else from the bad old days of patent licences
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Loqi hello from the past
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Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 2017-01-31 at 10:37am PST
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johnjohnston.info blog created /User:Johnjohnston.info_blog (+145) "Created page with "I am John Johnston a primary school teacher from Scotland. I've been blogging for a while, mostly about using technology in class. {{yourname}}"" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /watch (+296) "added notes to IMdB, Telfie, TVtag" (view diff)
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dgold guys - someone has an indieauth-site where you can generate tokens for testing
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dgold I've been looking on the wiki, but can't find it
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sknebel what is gimme-a-token?
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Loqi gimme a token is a helper to obtain a an access token from your IndieAuth endpoint: https://gimme-a-token.5eb.nl/ https://indieweb.org/gimme_a_token
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sknebel what is tools?
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Loqi Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/tools
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dgold gimme_a_token!
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dgold you've no idea, sknebel, how >close< I came to that
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dgold bookmarked /tools
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tantek is anyone else working on owning their issues and issue replies (i.e. going from posting them on GitHub only to owning them on your own site and POSSEing to GitHub)? more: https://indieweb.org/Falcon#Own_my_issues_and_issue_replies
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[miklb] tantek it is a goal but I haven’t gotten there yet. I do star repos with a micropub like but its hacky at the moment. I haven’t tackled the micropub syndicate-to yet in WordPress
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snarfed obligatory: https://silo.pub/ posses to github
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[miklb] I’m using a shell script and curl to send to silo.pub and shpub to send the like via micropub in WordPress
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[miklb] that’s what I’m using to do the stars, but not as part of a micropub syndicate-to action
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aaronpk I've started replying to issues and opening new issues from my site (using silo.pub) but I still find myself replying natively on github occasionally, probably due to habit
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[kevinmarks] if you reply by email, you can use quill's email to micropub gateway to simulpost (assuming you have micropub)
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snarfed i've been lightly eyeing https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/333 recently. added github to https://oauth-dropins.appspot.com/ as a first step. not planning to jump into it right now, but i'd be happy to support anyone who wants to contribute!
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Loqi [snarfed] #333 add GitHub support
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snarfed https://bridgy.readthedocs.io/en/master/#adding-a-new-silo
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tantek thanks snarfed!
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tantek [miklb]++ sounds pretty cool - that's the first I've heard of anyone owning their starring of repos! well done!
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Loqi miklb has 14 karma in this channel (74 overall)
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johnjohnston.info blog edited /User:Johnjohnston.info_blog (+412) (view diff)
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[eddie] Currently my POSSE (besides micro.blog) is all manual. I do have a goal to use silo.pub to add Twitter/Facebook/GitHub POSSE to my site this year
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[eddie] Well semi-manual. I use Bridgy Publish, but since I have Jekyll, I have to wait for it to rebuild, and then manually send my Webmentions to Bridgy Publish. Having essentially a micropub forward mechanism through silo.pub will streamline things and allow me to utilize syndicate-to targets to automatically POSSE which will be AWESOME. GitHub is definitely a priority there
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tantek what is Hootsuite
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hootsuite" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Hootsuite is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek does anyone here use (or used to use) Hootsuite?
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aaronpk I hadn't even thought about it in like 5 years
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[kevinmarks] Hootsuite is a posse tool for marketers
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tantek like Buffer?
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tantek what is buffer
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Buffer
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tantek too late [kevinmarks]
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tantek.com edited /Buffer (+17) "dfn" (view diff)
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tantek what is add to home
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "add to home" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "add to home is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek huh
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tantek what is add to homescreen
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "add to homescreen" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "add to homescreen is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek thought we'd documented that
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tantek apparently not
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Zegnat Maybe you are thinking the documentation at https://indieweb.org/icon#Browser_Support tantek?
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tantek yeah I'm on /icon now
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gRegorLove I saw Hootsuite is an IG partner that will be supporting the new posting API
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www.boffosocko.com edited /event (+264) "Silo example: Upcoming; concatenated duplicate see also" (view diff)
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gRegorLove https://business.instagram.com/blog/instagram-api-features-updates
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tantek really early *photo* (not screenshot) of Add to Home Screen iOS UI: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/2210195852/
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tantek.com edited /icon (+31) "linky add to home screen" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /communication (+5) "linky add to home screen" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Oops, missed the backlog in #indieweb talking about it already :)
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tantek.com created /add_to_home_screen (+1075) "dfn, history, example" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /add_to_home (+32) "r" (view diff)
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tantek what is a browser
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "browser" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "browser is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek what is a web browser
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web browser" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "web browser is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek web browser is software you can use to view and interact with web pages, like [[Firefox]], [[Google Chrome]], [[Apple Safari]], [[Microsoft Edge]].
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /web_browser (+174) "prompted by tantek and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek wow add to home screen is over 10 yo
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tantek homepage << add to home screen
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Loqi ok, I added "[[add to home screen]]" to the "See Also" section of /homepage
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tantek icon << add to home screen
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Loqi ok, I added "[[add to home screen]]" to the "See Also" section of /icon
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tantek browser is /web_browser
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Loqi ok
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[kevinmarks] Remember, when iPhone shipped the way to write apps was websites
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tantek [kevinmarks], perhaps review /add_to_home :)
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loqi.me edited /URL_design (+130) "tantek added "[https://www.flickr.com/photos/tantek/tags/URL Tantek's flickr tag URL] with examples of domain names as branding and identity." to "See Also"" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks One million webmentions sent, Facebook loses a million users. https://twitter.com/Recode/status/958842403519021056 #indieweb is the future (twitter.com/_/status/958844562335649792)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Twitpic (+1352) "Shut down history" (view diff)