#dev 2018-02-02

2018-02-02 UTC
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schmarty today i re-learned how simple micropub is for form-encoded data >_<
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Loqi schmarty: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 24 minutes ago: Nope, haven’t gotten to that yet. The biggest thing around that is I need to extend my Xray instance to parse Overcast. (Originally I built the Overcast parsing directly into my micropub server)
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schmarty i had been putting off adding a featured image upload option to /Screech thinking i should tackle that along with micropub media endpoint support
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schmarty but instead of that i just added an input type="file" name="photo"
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schmarty and for my micropub handler that should be GOOD ENOUGH.
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KartikPrabhu schmarty: for featured image why not name="featured" ?
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KartikPrabhu since then the form encoding should give you that under the variable "featured" which seems more appropriate
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schmarty KartikPrabhu: i'm open to using "featured" instead, but am not sure what micropub server support for that attribute would be (vs. "photo" which i think is more widely supported)
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gRegorLove Re: Indieauth naming stuff, I have a plugin for logging into a ProcessWire site using indieauth.com. What would be the clearest name for it going forward? Currently it's IndieAuth for ProcessWire. IndieLogin?
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KartikPrabhu schmarty: yes, fair enough. But to me "photo" implies it should be used as a u-photo in the post and not necessarily a "u-featured"
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schmarty when rendering, my site display that photo with u-featured
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: the current name sounds pretty descrptive
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gRegorLove Yeah, but indieauth.com is being renamed to differentiate. I forget what it's going to be though.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: then I would call it <insert new name for indieauth.com> for ProcessWire
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schmarty gRegorLove: i think the "defer my site's auth" aspect will be at myindieauth.com
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schmarty actually nope i got it backwards.
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gRegorLove Was there an indielogin.com in the mix?
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schmarty it'll be indielogin.com
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gRegorLove It redirects to indieauth.com now
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gRegorLove Ok, sounds right.
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schmarty i *think* myindieauth.com is going to be for cases like the indieweb wiki, where you have a service and you want to let people login w/ their own sites.
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schmarty i'd wait until aaronpk has actually launched the renamed sites to find out ;}
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gRegorLove That's what this plugin does, though only for existing accounts in ProcessWire, not just any domain.
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gRegorLove Yeah, will do :)
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gRegorLove He told meat Bmore but I've slept since.
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gRegorLove *me at
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schmarty KartikPrabhu: regarding featured vs photo - i am going to stick with the more common attribute name for now, since i have not seen another micropub client that sends "featured"
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schmarty (and because i am self-dogfooding and know of no other users at the moment)
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aaronpk Oh gosh
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aaronpk other way around
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aaronpk The wiki will use indielogin.com
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aaronpk if you have to add anything to your site it will be myIndieAuth.com
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schmarty haha >_<
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Loqi schmarty: lol
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gRegorLove This plugin posts to https://indieauth.com/auth to let people sign in, so eventually that will become myindieauth.com/auth (or similar)?
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aaronpk the question is is this plugin something that the user trusts the site it's delegating to?
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aaronpk like with the wiki, users logging in have no reason to trust the wiki, so they wouldn't add a link tag to something to be able to log in
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aaronpk whereas if you want to just not deal with managing a password to your own site, or if you want to take advantage of the oauth stuff that the service provides, then you choose an authorization server and delegate your site to it. that's myindieauth.com
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gRegorLove It's the latter I think. It's a narrow use-case of letting existing users in ProcessWire log in using their domain. It's hard-coded to use the indieauth.com authorization endpoint right now in the plugin, so I think the user logging in only needs the rel-me.
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gRegorLove So MyIndieAuth for ProcessWire sounds right once that launches.
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aaronpk I guess that's actually kind of a third use Case
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aaronpk logging in to your own site without a password
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aaronpk That's closer to indielogin.com, the relmeauth service
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aaronpk Does this plugin add the <link rel=authorization_endpoint> tag? So that logging in to apps that support IndieAuth will use this site's configured auth endpoint?
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gRegorLove No, but I had already added that <link> on my site so I probably didn't think through that fully at the time. The login form posts directly to https://indieauth.com/auth, the plugin verifies the code with the same URL, then uses the "me" param to find the PW user.
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aaronpk I think the main differentiator is going to be whether the site has a <link> tag or not
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gRegorLove Now that I think about it, is the "me" param that indieauth.com returns after verifying the code safe to use?
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gRegorLove nvm, confirmed in spec
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tantek.com edited /Portable_Contacts (-31) "rm old dead redlink (only occurence)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Portable_Contacts (+152) "note PoCo was vCard compat JSON, before mf2 JSON or h-card, note domain died then zombied" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Twitter (+232) "tantek added "2018-01-27 New York Times: [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/27/technology/social-media-bots.html The Follower Factory] / Everyone wants to be popular online. Some even pay for it. Inside social media’s black market." to "See..." (view diff)
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@niels_k Trying out a MicroPub-client with IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/959296633040076801)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "next hwc" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /trends (+87) "don't bury the lede, AKA put current criticism in dfn" (view diff)
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tantek in other news I added a /tip page and linked to that from my home page instead of /pay. Felt more right
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tantek.com edited /👏 (-4) "applause is more like tip than payment" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /tip (+320) "now I have a tip page too, linked from my home page, emojicon" (view diff)
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Zegnat Man, I do not envy [keithjgrant]. Documentation of some of these webextension APIs is abysmal.
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sknebel hm, am I missing something or can you not directly get the information which tab was active when the extension button was clicked in the popup? I guess you could message your background script which then could check focus and assume that happens fast enough, but ugh...
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sknebel also: lol does the js mf parser get confused by keithjgrands post
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Zegnat I am actually not sure if the popup allows me to trigger code with tab access. I figured out how to track navigation though
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Zegnat Was also able to stop relying on a window focus event within the page, and instead use actual tab focus change event from the API
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sknebel popup can send messages to the background script pretty sure
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sknebel https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/mf2?url=https://keithjgrant.com/notes/2018/01/omnibear-v1-is-rolling-out/ - what is that empty child h-entry?!
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Zegnat https://gist.github.com/Zegnat/616e25cdc3092fb1434eaee5ee068676 is what I was testing now, that atleast seems to work. I’ll take a look at the popup window thing.
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sknebel .... oh lol, I bet that's the template tags
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sknebel that's one for the parsing algorithm I guess
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Zegnat Yeah, I think so too
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sknebel php already ignores it it seems
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sknebel as does python
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Zegnat It is documented: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#note_HTML_parsing_rules
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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sknebel ah
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sknebel good
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sknebel guess the node-DOM doesn't respect that - wonder if the in-browser one does
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Zegnat One of those things where you have to keep reminding yourself that you aren’t working with just a DOM tree for microformats, but working with HTML.
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Zegnat Here is a fun one for the webextension people: closing the front most browser window will automatically bring you to the window behind it and focus the last focussed tab there, all without triggering the “onActivated” event on said tab.
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Zegnat So now I also need a way to track when the user changes window or something. Guess the popup method has to be tried first.
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sknebel TIL libraries called xxx-react can also be server-side PHP using https://reactphp.org/
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[keithjgrant] @zegnat documentation on chrome extensions is better, and that _mostly_ lines up with WebExtension
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[miklb] !tell eddie new version installed and syndication targets appear. 🎉 Still need to test
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] miklb awesome! I also added a debug view in settings where if something isn’t working we can have a way for people to send me more details about what their account is doing
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Loqi [eddie]: [miklb] left you a message 18 minutes ago: new version installed and syndication targets appear. 🎉 Still need to test
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[miklb] awesome. I only poked around a bit pre-morning coffee, so will take a closer look. I see a few UI things still, but suspect some are related to my larger text. Quite a bit of iOS doesn’t play well with that.
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[eddie] Ohhh yeah I definitely haven’t optimized for larger text yet but it’s great to have a user that has larger text! Definitely let me know any of that stuff you find 👍
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[miklb] even Reminders b0rks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[miklb] seems something inherit to line height and padding in CSS terms
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[eddie] Ohhhhhh yeah that makes sense
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[miklb] it will be a few days until I can get in and really test, blogging/web stuff on hold while I do home repairs
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[eddie] I’m not surprised, I don’t think reminders gets a lot of love from Apple lol
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[miklb] it’s like, great, you have this really cool accessibility feature, but your own apps don’t play nice with it. but I digress
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[eddie] Haha no, that is pretty sad. Of all apps, Apples should be the ones that work great
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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[eddie] miklb whenever you do get around to testing Indigenous out fully, feel free to open Issues for any UI issues you see with the larger text size
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eddiehinkle.com edited /mood (+1121) "/* Silo Examples */ +gyroscope" (view diff)
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aaronpk what the heck is emotionml
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aaronpk https://www.w3.org/TR/emotionml/
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snarfed wow
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aaronpk wonders when someone will make a JSON version of that
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petermolnar wat
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petermolnar <emo:></emo>, gotta love that though
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[kevinmarks] Previously https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-02-08
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[kevinmarks] I did an ignite on faces and emotional markup ages ago
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[kevinmarks] https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1TS6gPswxSzOB55IJ3dSV3cnjzsHE3np7qlWeJN4OWF0/edit?usp=drivesdk
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gRegorLove Nice headline: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/vbpgga/whois-gdpr-europe-icann-registrar
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snarfed interesting. huffduffer itself seems to download a full copy (ie the mp3 file) of every podcast that gets huffduffed. i wonder why.
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Zegnat It does? That means adactio is sitting on a huge audio archive?
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snarfed i don't know that he's keeping them all, or for how long
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tantek.com moved /presentations to /presentations_about
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tantek why I hate JS frameworks, reason #5247: data-lf-anchor-id="cffe3541ffa942493b0eea48457bbd81:0" when just "id" attribute would do.
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tantek Y THO
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GWG Hmm..the issue with the vulnerable dependency, jkphl was the maintainer.
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