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aaronpk hm, I would not expect github to do that
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tantek if you put a plain github URL to a person or issue in the Github web UI, when saved it autoconverts it
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aaronpk it does??
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tantek or rather it shows up with "auto-link text"
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aaronpk I don't think i've ever noticed that
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tantek yeah
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snarfed confirmed, it doesn't
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/misc/issues/5#issuecomment-370611405
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Loqi [snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed
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tantek I've totally pasted in URLs to issues
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snarfed issues maybe yes. profiles no
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tantek and it abbreviates them, and crosslinks them
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tantek ohhh
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aaronpk yeah, issues and PRs and stuff get autolinked and shortened
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tantek weird I wonder why not
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tantek why do they omit user URLs
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aaronpk cause nobody does that?
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tantek likely an oversight
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tantek lol
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snarfed probably yeah because everyone @-s
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aaronpk I can't think of a reason I would type a full profile URL vs just @-
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aaronpk especially cause the @- syntax has autocomplete dropdown
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tantek so wait what was I testing again
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snarfed the >s and multi-reply
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tantek a-ha both of which worked
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tantek now I just have to do something about github profile URLs
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aaronpk might be time to turn off github emails!
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aaronpk so much nicer seeing them in my reader
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snarfed aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 122 karma in this channel (1582 overall)
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tantek have we discussed silo-specific @-mentions?
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tantek e.g. obv defaulting plain @-mentions to Twitter
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tantek but other variants like e.g. github/@aaronpk
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tantek (I just made that up - I haven't seen it anywhere)
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tantek or instagram/@aaronpk
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aaronpk imo a silo-specific @-mention is just an @-mention that hyperlinks to the silo profile URL
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aaronpk I have no desire for a special syntax for that
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snarfed it's internal to each authoring ui, so vive la difference, right?
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snarfed modulo common tools like quill
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dansup anyone know of a good php webfinger library?
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KartikPrabhu what is webfinger?
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Loqi WebFinger is a discovery protocol for the web that uses email address-like identifiers to get info about users https://indieweb.org/WebFinger
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tantek aaronpk, I mean a visible text syntax the same way GH abbreviates the visible text when linking to issues in other repos
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dansup KartikPrabhu: thanks, I found a good example I can use to implement :)
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tantek snarfed, this is not about authoring UI, this is about display
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KartikPrabhu dansup: if you do add yourself to the list on that pae
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snarfed tantek: ah ok. just documenting possible patterns then? i'm with aaronpk, i generally use names in link text, not handles or usernames. so still vive la difference i guess :P
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dansup will do, I plan to get my own indie site online soon. I'm working on a few other packages like https://github.com/dansup/php-activitystreams and https://github.com/dansup/php-micropub (nothing to show quite yet, but its starting to come together)
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Loqi [dansup] php-activitystreams: Activity Streams is a simple specification used to describe social actions around the web.
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KartikPrabhu cool
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dansup I'm building a gnu-social clone
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dansup getting to the point where I need to start adding federation, https://d3vv6lp55qjaqc.cloudfront.net/items/3e3f1O2i3E2B3Z1G1z38/Screen%20Shot%202018-03-05%20at%205.47.03%20PM.png
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aaronpk yeah I don't display anything differently whether an @-mention links to someone's website or a silo URL
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[kevinmarks] is this a case for a favicon?
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KartikPrabhu what is favicon?
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Loqi A favicon is a convention for websites to provide an icon for browsers to display in bookmarks, favorites, history, and other places they show or list URLs https://indieweb.org/favicon
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: not what you meant ^ ?
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AngeloGladding all of this GitHub work is exciting. one of my initial code types is `code`. is there any documentation on marking up the various pages involved? i see brid.gy is assuming that a generic note `u-in-reply-to` a URL template of a GitHub "project" will be considered an "issue". is there prior art on marking up a code project? i'm currently using `rel-vcs` as seen at /code
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tantek AngeloGladding: what's the use case for marking up a code project?
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tantek as in, what's the user-level interaction you're trying to make happen?
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AngeloGladding sure. i want to host my projects' code repositories at my own personal site. https://dev.alice.lahacker.net/code/canopy
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Loqi [Alice Anderson] canopy
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tantek that doesn't require any markup
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tantek just you're own git repos right?
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tantek your*
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AngeloGladding well that's a project page that links to the git repo technically, but yes.
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AngeloGladding but i want to introduce a "Create an Issue" button
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tantek sounds like a /webaction
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tantek special case of /reply ?
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AngeloGladding correct
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AngeloGladding when i'm at e.g. mydomain/reply?url=https://dev.alice.lahacker.net/code/canopy how does it know that the reply-context is a project's issue
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Loqi [Alice Anderson] canopy
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tantek why does it need to know that?
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tantek it's still "just a reply" - though does your issue system have issue names? or just issue descriptions
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AngeloGladding is it not recommended to sniff the reply-context to determine reply type (for UI purposes)?
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tantek what would you show differently in the UI?
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tantek from a "normal" reply?
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aaronpk I made Quill add a "name" field to the reply UI if the thing you're replying to is a github repo
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aaronpk since issues have issue names
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aaronpk normally my reply UI does not let you add a name to a reply
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tantek that sounds broader than issues
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tantek like should your reply have a name or not
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aaronpk sure but I haven't had any cases when I want my reply to have a name other than issues
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tantek forums are another
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tantek all those PHP forum things out there
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tantek that have various "areas" you post to
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aaronpk I don't treat posting to email lists as a reply to the list, so not there
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tantek I was going to
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aaronpk I don't think I would consider a forum post a reply either, in the same way
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aaronpk that's what I call the "audience" of the post instead, which I show differently than a reply context
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tantek yeah
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tantek ok another example, bugzilla
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aaronpk isn't that an issue tracker? ;-)
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tantek perhaps similar to issues yes. except instead of a repo it is a "project"
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tantek that you're "replying to"
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aaronpk I suppose that is also the case on github, since really github issues are separate from the code itself
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tantek they are sort-of - they are regarding the code as of a certain date
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aaronpk there isn't any link between the issue and the code tho
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aaronpk no git commit refs in the issues
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tantek just the repo link
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tantek yeah it's implied by the posting date of the issue
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tantek not the most discoverable for sure
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tantek especially long after the fact
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aaronpk also you can use a github issue tracker without there being any code in the repo
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tantek as we do for microformats specs
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aaronpk so it's sounding like this is more a question of whether the thing you're replying to is an issue tracker rather than if it's a code repository
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[snarfed] fwiw having issues be replies to the repo always seemed awkward to me (too). I'm definitely not tied to it
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tantek I felt more comfortable making them replies to the /issues URL TBH
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aaronpk now that you mention it, I keep trying to hit my "reply" button when i'm on a github issues page rather than the github project url
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tantek rather than just the repo URL
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aaronpk same
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[snarfed] also they can be in reply to either the repo or its /issues url, for bridgy
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tantek which I think is what aaronpk originally suggested (to the repo/issues )
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[snarfed] heh jinx
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aaronpk on nice, I don't think silopub allows that
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aaronpk oh*
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AngeloGladding is there any work on pull requests?
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tantek oh ok so I should just start doing that
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aaronpk i'll patch silopub for that
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aaronpk that's about the extent of my python knowledge
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tantek AngeloGladding: I think snarfed outlined a bunch of reasons to stay away from pull requests
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tantek but not sure how serious he was ;)
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[snarfed] both still feel awkward to me though. issues don't quite seem like replies
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[snarfed] pretty serious
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AngeloGladding i'm worried it'd conflict with other replies -- e.g. pull request
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tantek [snarfed]: indeed. in that regard, a repo/issues URL is kind of like the "audience" of an Issue post
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[snarfed] happy for others to try. i just prefer bridgy to follow, not lead
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tantek or certainly like the "To:" of an issue post
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tantek AngeloGladding: there's some thinking on /edit posts about pull requests I think
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tantek something about "audience" also doesn't sound quite right to me but I don't have a better suggestion
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tantek (even in the email list context aaronpk )
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tantek oddly I really just want to call it "To:"
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aaronpk it's not my favorite term but it is descriptive
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tantek which would also make sense for "To: repo/issues"
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aaronpk I don't think I include that in the UI tho, it's just the name of the property internally
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tantek for new issues
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tantek aaronpk,snarfed, I feel like something like "github/@snarfed" would be recognizable in the context of GitHub's UI, since they already have "owner/repo" as a convention in their UI
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aaronpk "github/@snarfed" looks a lot like "@snarfed@snarfed.org" to me
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aaronpk too much punctuation
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tantek heh
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tantek well it's only 2 puncts not 3 ;)
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aaronpk it's worse since they're adjacent
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tantek though I thought we agreed on @snarfed.org@snarfed.org for the At-At fans
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tantek aaronpk - though medium does that combo too of /@
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aaronpk but the first part is a domain name not just a string
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tantek like medium.com/@steve.yegge
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tantek what about dropping the @
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tantek as I suggested here: https://indieweb.org/reply-context#Minimal_text_reply_contexts
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tantek or is that ok because it's a reply context instead of an in-content @-reference?
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tantek and it keeps the domain name
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tantek e.g. "Replying to instagram.com/aaronpk"
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tantek so maybe "github.com/aaronpk" is ok too for in-content references?
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aaronpk I don't hate the idea of "github.com/aaronpk" in the text, because it's actually a URL, but I think I will still stick to just @aaronpk hyperlinked to my github profile
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tantek that's good enough for experimentation for me then
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[kevinmarks] thats what I meant by a favicon - so you get a twitter favicon by a twitter-linked [aaronpk] and an octocat by the github one (and your face by your own domain)
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tantek that's a thought
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tantek I feel like I've seen that kind of design in print
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tantek where a "brand" will advertise what their aliases are on various social media
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tantek I'll look out for it and take photos if I see it again
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/vboykis/status/970847179215601664?s=19
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@vboykis Do open source,they said. Be a social coder, they said. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXkkXCBVwAA-Tc2.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/970847179215601664)
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aaronpk what is a user agent?
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Loqi User-agent is a common HTTP header that generally indicates the name, version, and a URL for the application making the request, and is also a robots_txt command (User-agent:) that tells specific robots by name to obey the following commands https://indieweb.org/user-agent
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aaronpk user agent << [https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/ History of the browser user-agent string]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/ History of the browser user-agent string]" to the "See Also" section of /user-agent
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[cleverdevil] Good news, I figured out how to get the rest of my Facebook photos and metadata. Now, I’m 100% copied over!
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[eddie] Wow! 😲
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loqi.me created /birdsite (+20) "prompted by tantek and redirect added by tantek" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Now that I've got all of this newly liberated content, I am working on a "history" page -> https://cleverdevil.io/history
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[cleverdevil] (Not responsive yet...)
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tantek wow
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sknebel what is .well-known?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for ".well-known" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say ".well-known is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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sknebel .well-known is https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5785, literally the path "/.well-known/" under a domain and used as a standardized location for discovering domain-wide meta-data and is used by e.g. [[Let's Encrypt]] for proof of domain ownership, [[WebFinger]] for discovery of user data and [[Dat]] for linking domains to keys to find content under.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /.well-known (+376) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /.well-known (+1) "linkify ('… is <url>' pattern)" (view diff)
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jjuran sknebel++
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jjuran what is .well-known?
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Loqi well-known is literally the path "/.well-known/" under a domain and used as a standardized location for discovering domain-wide meta-data and is used by e.g https://indieweb.org/.well-known
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www.svenknebel.de edited /.well-known (+149) "make list a list since it gets truncated in chat anyways, add dnt-policy" (view diff)
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[tantek] Is it really required for letsencrypt?
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sknebel [tantek]: it's one of two possible methods
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sknebel and probably the most common one. alternatively you can use DNS entries, but that isn't as easily done automated, and there was a SNI-based method which has been turned off due to security issues with some providers
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[tantek] Wellknown--
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Loqi wellknown has -1 karma in this channel (-4 overall)
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cweiske wellknown++
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Loqi cweiske: petermolnar_ left you a message 2 days, 19 hours ago: "https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%2Fitem%3Fid%3D16505244" results in HTTP 500; I pasted "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16505244" in the search field on chat.indieweb.org
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cweiske petermolnar, I've opened a bug for that: https://github.com/cweiske/phinde/issues/35
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Loqi [cweiske] #35 HTTP status 500 when searching for URL
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loqi.me edited /blockchain (+63) "[tantek] added "https://twitter.com/timbray/status/963115533825527808 thread" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /blockchain (+57) "[tantek] added "https://twitter.com/klintron/status/970722033377034240" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /blockchain (+55) "[tantek] added "https://twitter.com/khuey_/status/970906562301775872" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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@Inkwater_Masha Too Scared To Write? The One-Two Punch Approach That Finally Got Me Writing http://ow.ly/S4BO30iFGdp #writetip #amwriting #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/971012550686109696)
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[eddie] I’ve got 2007-2011 imported but with Jekyll I haven’t figured out a nice way to display it all. Although I got one of the posts in my “On this day” today!
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[eddie] That’s awesome [cleverdevil]. It’s amazing to see such a long list all right there!
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[eddie] Although thanks to my imported Facebook posts I was able to convert the first time I watched the One Tree Hill season 6 finale into a “watch post” on my site, and then I was able to reference it last night after I watched the season 6 finale again: https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/03/05/34/watch/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] 📺 Watched One Tree Hill Season 6 Finale: Remember Me As A Time Of Day with Ash: Wow, 9 years later, still an amazing finale. When I watched it the first time I decided based on the character cast changes,...
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[eddie] Which was a pretty cool follow up post because it shows that I said I was going to stop watching the show and 9 years later I still haven’t seen an episode after that
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[eddie] Now that’s exciting, to be able to see previous goals or plans and then to be able to compare and contrast to present day!!
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aaronpk [cleverdevil] whoaaa nice archive page
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aaronparecki.com edited /Twitter (+554) "/* Criticism */ add link to theatlantic.com article "Retweets are Trash: A modest proposal to improve Twitter—and perhaps the world"" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /.well-known (+8) "move list under a header and remove "e.g." since it looks weird in the summary" (view diff)
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sknebel that was the point of leaving the e.g. at the end :P
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aaronpk to make it look weird?
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cweiske.de edited /.well-known (+249) "link thunderbird mail client autoconfiguration" (view diff)
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sknebel since it didn't work in the chat summary as a single line and the list got long I left it like that so its clear in chat that there are examples to see if you click the link
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grantcodes dgold [cleverdevil] RE: Electron apps & Together. At some point once it's more functionally complete I want to have a go at converting it into a cross platform react app, it should be possible to have a shared codebase for web, iOS, Android and desktop! Never tried it before though so not sure of the limitations
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loqi.me edited /blockchain (+613) "Including text from 3 tweets" (view diff)
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sknebel new Loqi feature, or aaronpk logged in as Loqi?
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aaronpk new loqi feature!
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aaronpk not public yet tho, not sure how robust this is in finding the markup
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swentel loqi is a smart bot?
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aaronpk hm maybe I should make that part of the "see also" feature instead
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cweiske hm. the "#bottom" link does not work anymore on https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-03-06#bottom
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cweiske aaronpk, indieauth.com with http://cweiske.de/ as input: Something went horribly wrong!
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cweiske undefined method `code' for nil:NilClass
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aaronpk :sigh: what keeps breaking
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cweiske you can test with http://commentpara.de/ as input
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cweiske and log in anonymously
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aaronpk same thing happens there?
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cweiske yes
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aaronpk oh no this is the restclient version bug again
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aaronpk srsly, this should not crash when running response.inspect on something internal to rest-client 😡
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aaronpk ah fixed it
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petermolnar aaronpk: this might interest you: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41504162/is-is-possible-to-implement-a-flickr-like-justified-gallery-in-pure-css/49107319#49107319
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cweiske aaronpk, thanks - works for commentpara.de and cweiske.de now
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aaronpk petermolnar: whoa! that's some fancy css trickery
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petermolnar it uses css variables which is a fairly new things
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petermolnar thing
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petermolnar but it appears to be well supported: https://caniuse.com/#search=variable
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aaronpk not at all in firefox tho?
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petermolnar we are looking at different things in that case
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aaronpk ohhh I was looking at variable fonts
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petermolnar oh, scroll to custom properties
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aaronpk https://caniuse.com/css-variables
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aaronpk that's better
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aaronpk I was wondering why it required osx 10.13
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aaronpk okay hm I might have to swap my js-css for this and see how it does
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aaronpk that took a lot of JS to make that work
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aaronpk waiting for images to finish loading before being able to check the dimensions, etc
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aaronpk oh, nevermind
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aaronpk I see why this works
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aaronpk this requires you put the image dimensions in the HTML
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sknebel it seems like it only needs the aspect ratio
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aaronpk yeah but you still need knowledge of the image dimensions for that to work
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aaronpk a lot of the other solutions I found were similar
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sknebel ah, I thought the problem with fixed sizes was that that might depend on the screensize etc.
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aaronpk no I just wanted to avoid having to store image metadata at all
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aaronpk wow I forgot how much JS that was... https://aaronparecki.com/assets/photo-albums/photo-layout.js
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aaronpk I may break down and replace it with storing image metadata and css-only
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KartikPrabhu I already do a version of that https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/ithaca-winter
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Kartik Prabhu Winter in Ithaca posted at 19:20 on 17 Feb 2018 (-0500) tagged ... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/DKiEwgaclyZ8SwhndGsDtYjmlMkXqnC5M8QR_NN4uMk3i1I_DbuV9GSBPXeyojb_Z22ED2hnRv4Ty-idacvxhn6kSEJk4QeDc7DCeLyy13cMEzz-J3ibvshyti55ICzlTgiw0SjRrecE-BDdm1_BAhCcXgkbq4_vmR2X-Y9_qjkatlTJFjTy6C4JNKA8Jl3mhcnVNmPNRksFL13CVjeUjmFzsz9ptNEa3MRQj6Vh4yMyCeBSmJhrPAazZGGlm1tXc_oqMGwCwVO7Ge5FTrSE2fVJGWs5X0HY4FjGK_3DhFQPFUXwHAHY0MXAFnkGBtEobgaF2sIEa-wssKz6eQlm7fQlheG370HOfq_2NUQiaHqn_aHh9oA7Hgcmze3uJqjkXbgV_ryK5FXca0wqoKAuDi35sqW6eUCgUMr90qn2qfRdsJ8dGK9Gs4EX88uGIBTte-eq5Vl0-8EXqBpATeuWfQHbcUBj8XsgH32Z5dNX8mYy7iQhtndAwymSCIeZ_PczH4JnrrjjDps4W05yJi4-tG4lHcowfpPa1xAeCAuU2TTRHy1YufwTtTHhYkSoQTxpyST0qJ2M_JZYgtPNZsl0l43b2SqeJqMx228V-xPb=s5000
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KartikPrabhu oops sorry again :(
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aaronpk that first row doesn't line up
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KartikPrabhu uh! it does both images are same height? no?
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aaronpk they don't extend the full width
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KartikPrabhu aah they are in my notes content container but otherwise they do
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aaronpk oh when the window is smaller then they line up
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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KartikPrabhu wrote about it too https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/equal-height-images-flexbox
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Equal Height Images with Flexbox
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aaronpk also at 960px and wider the logo covers the caption
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: oh you are on Safari?
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aaronpk osx chrome
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KartikPrabhu or that. My grid layout only works on FF at the moment have to do better fallbacks for others
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KartikPrabhu only FF supports display: contents at the moment
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KartikPrabhu also see https://kartikprabhu.com/articles/walk-work for more photos :P
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] Walk to work
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KartikPrabhu looks like I need to fix things for non-grid using browsers
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KartikPrabhu but yeah that flexbox technique is great
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: Loqi should use the new implied-name-parsing so it doesn't barf the contents in here :P
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aaronpk once that gets into xray it will :)
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KartikPrabhu cool, I preemptively removed the p-name from my notes
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aaronpk ah. probably gonna have to leave it in there for a while until the rest of the parsers catch up :)
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KartikPrabhu oh you use the ruby parser not the php one
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aaronpk no that's the php one
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KartikPrabhu I thought php had it
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aaronpk no there was another bug we caught remember?
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KartikPrabhu aah yes right. Python wins!
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KartikPrabhu ;)
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aaronpk ha yes
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KartikPrabhu well as long as my PR to the main repo gets accepted
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aaronpk [eddie] and grantcodes: I want to work on getting the source feed data into the microsub response next. do you have any thoughts on how you're going to display that in the UI? either when there is no author present or even if there is an author
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aaronpk some more thoughts: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/06/11/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] My current thought for this is to add a new property to the entry with the source's h-card info: { "type": "entry", "url": "https://example.com/1000", ... ... "_source": { "url": https://example.com/", "name": "Example Feed", "...
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[eddie] aaronpk: Currently my thinking is: If there is no author info, the Source name will take the place of the author name. If there is an author name, I will likely display it on the “Full Post View” that I’m still working on
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[eddie] I’ll send a response to your post/github issue, but I can see the benefit of having both URLs but the main important one for me is the homepage url
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aaronpk I agree showing the user the home page URL makes the most sense, but I think the home page URL should have to match the domain of the feed URL
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[eddie] Yeah, that makes sense too. I would say keep the _source as an h-card with potentially an added attribute for the feed url to be able to check for mismatches
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[eddie] That way, someone who just treats _source as an h-card it’ll operate normally
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[eddie] and if they want to check the feed url as well that is essentially an extension or upgrade
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aaronpk hm so the server will allow a feed to report a home page URL on a different domain, and leave it up to the client to check against the feed URL if it wants?
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sknebel By author url, do you mean the author of the post the -source property is on?
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aaronpk I wasn't even thinking about author URL yet
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aaronpk there's a whole bunch of URLs involved when showing a post, all with different security considerations when the domains don't match, heh
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sknebel Ok, what do you mean by Homepage url then?
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[eddie] Either provide both urls or provide a boolean flag for the mismatch. I think a client should be allowed to show the post if it wants. There might be times where that mismatch is intentional
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aaronpk the home page URL that the feed reports to be from. for simple single-author indieweb sites that is also the author's URL
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aaronpk but once you start looking at multi-user sites, or feeds from aggregators, or proxies like granary.io, things are not that simple
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sknebel Didn't know feeds have that
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aaronpk it's a concept in RSS/Atom/JSONFeed already, but even besides the specific format I mean the idea in general
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sknebel oh, I totally missed that action= is sometimes in the URL and sometimes in the request body... now how do I unfungle that in a logical way...
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aaronpk everything is in the body for post requests
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sknebel sure, but action= is the one tripping me right now ;)
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sknebel already talked himself down from using a completely new programming language for this and is merely learning a new flavor of python web development
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aaronpk I mean it should be an easy switch to build a query string for get requests or build a post body for post requests, without needing to worry about individual parameter names
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[cleverdevil] Good morning 🙂
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sknebel writing a server, not a client, and trying to do request routing nicer than a massive "if else" chain ;)
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[cleverdevil] Happy to hear people seem to like my "history" page... though now I am thinking of renaming it to "archive" to be a bit more traditional.
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aaronpk aha
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sknebel but I guess if-else it is for now, until I understand this framework better and can customize the routing
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sknebel (it seems to assume /this/style/of/parameters generally, so it doesn't match well anyways)
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KartikPrabhu [cleverdevil]: yeah I wondered why it wasn't "archive"
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[cleverdevil] Just changed it.
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[cleverdevil] Much better 🙂
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sknebel aaronpk: another question for the source discussion, guess the user should be able to edit the feed title?
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aaronpk yeah I suppose so!
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sknebel I'll file an issue
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sknebel done
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aaronpk I see it in my reader :D
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sknebel :D
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sknebel didn't Together now have a new domain? could someone add it on /Together and /microsub?
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grantcodes aaronpk: for sources I would likely show the home url and icon if there is no author or the author url is not the home url (ie news sites that have multiple authors). Also I don't think the home domain should have to match the feed domain
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grantcodes The most common example of non matching domains I can think of is podcasts that use an external service to host feeds. But I'm sure that is applicable to non podcast feeds as well
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snarfed !tell eddie thanks again for the heads up on the granary facebook user id bug (https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-02-28#t1519833264218600 ). fixed! ...although that specific request returns no results because travis hinkle hasn't authed granary. facebook permissioning, whee!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [[eddie]] snarfed: I must be doing something wrong in granary with Facebook. I’m trying to get a stream of posts by just one friend so I can add that friend’s posts into microsub. I composed the URL like this: https://granary.io/facebook/1286685110/@self/@...
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[eddie] He and i are friends
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[eddie] snarfed: Can I not follow someone else’s facebook feed?
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Loqi [eddie]: snarfed left you a message 1 minute ago: thanks again for the heads up on the granary facebook user id bug (https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-02-28#t1519833264218600 ). fixed! ...although that specific request returns no results because travis hinkle hasn't authed granary. facebook permissioning, whee!
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Loqi [eddie]: snarfed left you a message 1 minute ago: thanks again for the heads up on the granary facebook user id bug (https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-02-28#t1519833264218600 ). fixed! ...although that specific request returns no results because travis hinkle hasn't authed granary. facebook permissioning, whee!
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[eddie] or is that a facebook permissions issue?
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snarfed yeah, fb permissions
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[eddie] darn you facebook!
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snarfed they don't let you get much of a user's data via the API if that user hasn't authed the app
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[eddie] I mean, I guess that’s good in the general privacy sense
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[eddie] haha
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[eddie] but darn you facebook!
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Loqi hahaha
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snarfed (even applies to public posts, which is odd)
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[eddie] Well there goes my evil plan of following my family’s posts in Microsub so I didn’t have to log into Facebook
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[eddie] haha
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snarfed you still can with https://facebook-atom.appspot.com/ !
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[eddie] Oh, I can?
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[eddie] What’s the difference?
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snarfed it scrapes :(
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[eddie] ohhhhh!
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[eddie] snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 50 karma in this channel (365 overall)
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snarfed scraping-- (heh thanks)
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Loqi scraping has -3 karma in this channel (-6 overall)
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[eddie] 😆
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[tantek] Just saw this amazing list of oss projects you can self host (eg Known is on there!) https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted/blob/master/README.md
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[tantek] Lots there to reference!
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[tantek] Which reminds me that /projects still needs lots of help if there any volunteers that want to help out! I’m particularly interested in improving it so please ping me so we can divide up the labor somehow
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, I have been a huge fan of theirs forever.
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[cleverdevil] We actually sponsored them when I was at DreamHost.
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grantcodes Hmmm I think I am missing some people from the chat for some reason 🤔 i can't see messages from snarfed for some reason. Wonder if it is an issue with me or a bridge
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snarfed is tempted to try to do https://snarfed.org/microsub-bridge in zapier, with little to no code
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Microsub bridge
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snarfed e.g. https://zapier.com/apps/webhook/integrations#triggers-and-actions , https://zapier.com/apps/formatter/integrations#triggers-and-actions
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[eddie] !tell grantcodes: Thanks for the like! I think your likes have a p-name issue though 😉 http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrant.codes%2F2018%2F03%2F06%2F5a9eef7eddcba7417a178894 It looks like an implied p-name, so you probably want to add a p-name. One option is adding it to your article footer. That would translate to “Liked an hour ago by Grant Richmond”, which isn’t the best, but it’s the closest text I can see on your page f
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Grant Richmond] Re-thinking the Homepage I’ve spent some time recently thinking about what I want out of my homepage. I don’t have a c...
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@ravisagar @ChrisAldrich Just found your blog after searching more about implementing #POSSE and #Webmention Great content. Thanks for sharing. (twitter.com/_/status/971121641341227010)
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[eddie] !tell grantcodes: Oh! I just realized, it’s not marked up as a u-like-of either. Which could probably fix the p-name issue
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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grantcodes Hmm yeah I updated my likes to pull in the full mf2 data, must have messed up somewhere, as there was a button with the like-of, but must've removed it by accident :P
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Loqi grantcodes: [eddie] left you a message 5 minutes ago: Thanks for the like! I think your likes have a p-name issue though 😉 http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgrant.codes%2F2018%2F03%2F06%2F5a9eef7eddcba7417a178894 It looks like an implied p-name, so you probably want to add a p-name. One option is adding it to your article footer. That would translate to “Liked an hour ago by Grant Richmond”, which isn’t the best, but it’s the closest text I can see on your page f
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Loqi grantcodes: [eddie] left you a message 3 minutes ago: Oh! I just realized, it’s not marked up as a u-like-of either. Which could probably fix the p-name issue
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[eddie] Heh, makes sense!
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grantcodes Kinda impressed all the mf2 parsing actually worked though haha
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Loqi grantcodes: lol
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[eddie] lol! yeah, it parsed very nicely
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grantcodes Not sure if I should really show all the content or not, but have it all saved so I can update it in the future
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snarfed hey [eddie] are you using aperture's channel filtering to filter out retweets now?
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aaronpk i am
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aaronpk really helped my conference hashtag follows work a lot better
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snarfed cool. if eddie is too, i may deprioritize doing it in granary. doable, but not quite trivial after all
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[eddie] snarfed: I haven’t updated my Aperture yet, but as soon as I do, I will be using the filtering. So my need for it in granary is pretty much non-existant
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[eddie] So feel free to deprioritize however you see fit
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snarfed cool
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[cleverdevil] Anyone here fancy themselves a CSS expert?
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KartikPrabhu [cleverdevil]: CSS enthusiast work?
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] So, I want to make my archive page work better on mobile devices.
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[cleverdevil] https://cleverdevil.io/archive
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[cleverdevil] Each year of content is contained in a div, and each month is a ul, with each day being an li.
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[cleverdevil] I've got the months (ul) floated to the left.
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KartikPrabhu yup
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[cleverdevil] Not even sure where to start, honestly 😛
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KartikPrabhu what do you want it to do?
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KartikPrabhu easier to start from mobile/small viewport and then adjust
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[cleverdevil] Well, either fit fully on the screen (not likely, given the density of the content), or break down into two or three "rows".
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[cleverdevil] Where each row is the height of its tallest child.
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KartikPrabhu the last one is what 2017-Jul is failing right?
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[cleverdevil] Yup.
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KartikPrabhu ok will take a gander
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KartikPrabhu you aren't putting me on a deadline right?
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[cleverdevil] Heh, thanks, I am in no rush, just curious.
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KartikPrabhu yeah will tinker around this week; have actual work stuff to do too :)
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aaronpk the challenge I always have with this stuff isn't even the CSS, it's figuring out what I want it to look like on smaller screens
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes
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aaronpk certain design patterns don't lend themselves well to narrow screens
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[cleverdevil] Yup.
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aaronpk I think in your case I would just turn it into one giant list with no floats, so only one year wide
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KartikPrabhu [cleverdevil]: The thing I do is to first sketch on paper how I want it to look at some different sizes and then go from there
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aaronpk that might just be me being lazy tho
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KartikPrabhu lazy first approach is good. then iterate
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[cleverdevil] I have an idea...
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[cleverdevil] OK
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[kevinmarks] Mobile is usually deciding a stacking order, then bigger is what you want in columns
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[cleverdevil] I think I made it awesome.
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[cleverdevil] Gah, its better, but not perfect yet.
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KartikPrabhu 2016-Sep is weird
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[cleverdevil] Looks good in the browser as I resize the window, but still not right on Safari on my iPhone screen.
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[cleverdevil] OK, now it works on my phone, too.
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[cleverdevil] One more fix.
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[cleverdevil] OK.
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[cleverdevil] Happy with it I think 🙂
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[cleverdevil] Thanks for the advice!
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[cleverdevil] (Resize your browser window to watch it adapt!)