#dev 2018-03-27
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best way to specify the author for a page" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "best way to specify the author for a page is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@kaushalmodi Getting almost realtime (about a minute) Webmention updates on your @GoHugoIO static site: http://Webmention.io -> webhook -> @zapier -> @Netlify POST -> Site builds -> .. -> PROFIT! :D (twitter.com/_/status/978462490202923008)
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@buhakmeh @kaushalmodi @biilmann @GoHugoIO @zapier @Netlify What's a webmention exactly? (twitter.com/_/status/978463587260882944)
# Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
# @kaushalmodi @buhakmeh @biilmann @GoHugoIO @zapier @Netlify Webmention allows discussions/likes/etc. related to your posts/articles to stay with them.. the reader interaction does not break down into silos like disqus, twitter, facebook, etc. It also allows direct site-to-site communication. (twitter.com/_/status/978464382656139264)
# @kaushalmodi @buhakmeh @biilmann @GoHugoIO @zapier @Netlify See this as an example: https://scripter.co/installing-go-toolchain/#webmentions. In the "Mentioned by Kaushal Modi on Tue Mar 7, 2017" (I am linking one of my blog posts with another, but the same concept works across sites). That whole thing is auto-retrieved using webmentions.. 2/3 (twitter.com/_/status/978464880956268544)
# @kaushalmodi @buhakmeh @biilmann @GoHugoIO @zapier @Netlify The meta data like author, post title, post content, etc. is auto-parsed as I am using Microformats2 HTML classes to wrap my post content.. Check out https://indieweb.org/Webmention and #indieweb IRC for more. I can answer the questions too.. as much as I know :) (twitter.com/_/status/978465253989199872)
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microblog.ducamp.me edited /User:Christopheducamp.com (+18) "profile updated - enthusiast to test [[micro.blog]] on a family subdomain (microblog.ducamp.me)" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, I'm confused about why https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/26/16/ doesn't show up in the thread it links to on micro.blog
# Loqi [Aaron Parecki] At least if you bookmark https://www.facebook.com/events/ you can skip all the news feed junk and get right to the important parts.
# @kaushalmodi @beslayed @GoHugoIO It's already replaced.. with Webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/978476787029217280)
# @kaushalmodi @beslayed @GoHugoIO Webmentions allows me to concentrate all the conversation related to each post reside below that post and not get distributed across twitter, disqus, etc. So now "comments" can be received as webmention replies, and twitter comments get auto-backfed to my posts too. (twitter.com/_/status/978477130727256064)
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loqi.me edited /silo-quits (+141) "tantek added "2018-03-26
{{benwerd}} quit [[Instagram]] and left a final post in place: https://www.instagram.com/p/BgzsAZQltSQ/?taken-by=ben.werdmuller" to "See Also"" (view diff)# @kaushalmodi @beslayed @GoHugoIO .. as a backup, and only because twitter comments can be fetched back to my blog. The best way would of course be reply webmentions. I provide a form field to do that below each post; I'll soon write about that i.e. how to set up webmentions etc on Hugo. (twitter.com/_/status/978483862673264640)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "battery" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "battery is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "battery level" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "battery level is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# loqi.me created /originally_posted (+31) "prompted by tantek and redirect added by tantek" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /original_post_link (+718) "other examples / Article First Appeared with example" (view diff)
# Loqi ok, I added "[[original post link]]" to the "See Also" section of /posts
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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@jackysee > It is psychological gravity, not technical inertia, however, that is the greater force against the open web.
RSS/Webmentions are the new tools. https://kottke.org/18/03/blogging-social-media-and-ambient-humanity (twitter.com/_/status/978561260320182272)
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cweiske jeremycherfas, your feed is broken: https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog.atom
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jeremycherfas Oh no. I thought I had tested it after our session last week, and nothing I know has changed.
# jeremycherfas Hang on.
# jeremycherfas Fix them in the User considers post? "... in any case can't fix them"
# jeremycherfas The escape in the tag is complex, because what I really need to do is move those links out of the h-entry (or h-article?). That's quite a big job of redoing the template.
# jeremycherfas A Grav plugin does it. I've never looked beneath the hood.
# cweiske KartikPrabhu, https://kartikprabhu.com/atom is broken - http status code 500
# jeremycherfas To do the escaping?
# jeremycherfas I'll take a look later. Right now, looking at the markdown file for that post in BBEdit, and there is nothing there that I can see. Just a normal carriage return in the original markdown and </p> in the source.
# jeremycherfas I wonder whether it is the plugin that builds the feeds?
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Zegnat The plugin seems to have had escaping issues for a while now. 2 years ago on < and > chars: https://github.com/getgrav/grav-plugin-feed/issues/7
# jeremycherfas That's why I looked in BBedit, which generally shows all invisibles.
# jeremycherfas Wow. Just looking here, in case that's in the production copy only.
# cweiske ah. even visible on https://www.jeremycherfas.net/
# jeremycherfas Totally not seeing it.
# jeremycherfas Don't have an easy way to share images. Don't want to sign up for imgur.
# jeremycherfas I'll do a minor edit on the file and reupload, see whether that changes anything.
# jeremycherfas Git sees no difference between the file I had before and after the little edit. Maybe it is the production version only.
# jeremycherfas Truly, bizarre.
# jeremycherfas I did, and couldn't see anything on the local version.
# jeremycherfas I am going to look at the live version in the editor.
# jeremycherfas Nothing visible there either. Let me try hexdump on the production file
# cweiske cweiske@ahso2:~> curl -s https://www.jeremycherfas.net | grep 'fix them'
# cweiske <p>ADN had a really interesting revenue-sharing model for the developers who built things that used the platform. Hosting companies have tried to offer one-click installs for various things. If someone were able to create a kind of umbrella that took your money, made IndieWeb tools available and shared your money with the people who built the tools you chose to use, I do believe that could provide a home for the people who want out from the
# jeremycherfas What's the page down command for hexdump?
# jeremycherfas OK. Then it does a line at a time after that first few lines.
# jeremycherfas Yup. :)
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# jeremycherfas My .md file shows `65 6d 2e 10 0a 0a 55 6e` at the relevant place. Which hexdump displays as `hem....Un`
# jeremycherfas I've got to assume this is something weird in Grav going from md to html.
# jeremycherfas The 0a 0a is two line feeds, right? Which the Grav md interpreter changes to p tags.
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# jeremycherfas But because it doesn't actually show anywhere that I can edit it -- unless I edit the hex -- I have no idea how to fix. Is there a tool I can edit hex with? That isn't command line.
# jeremycherfas I did that, before I said that git didn't see any diff. I'll try harder.
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# jeremycherfas You'\re not going to believe this. I was looking at the wrong place in BBedit.
# jeremycherfas I was in full on panic mode.
# jeremycherfas Please take another look cweiske. I've cleared the cache.
# jeremycherfas I can only think it might possibly be something from the Clipboard manager of Alfred.
# jeremycherfas Zegnat I don't think it is the feed plugin that is the problem. I think it is more likely to be grav-plugin-taxonomylist, which actually creates those tags.
# jeremycherfas But if they were escaped when the html was built, then it wouldn't be a problem, would it?
# jeremycherfas I would need to look.
# jeremycherfas About to do that.
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[kevinmarks] thats very odd that 0x10 is being inserted, I can't think of anything that uses that. Did some developer get mixed up with ASCII 0x0a for LF which is 10 decimal?
# jeremycherfas How could I possibly find out? My suspicions are hinging on Alfred at the moment.
# jeremycherfas It's on my list ...
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aaronparecki.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+308) "/* 2018 */ ¿Qué es la IndieWeb?" (view diff)
# jeremycherfas Am I correct that you can have several h-entry on a page, if that page is, say, a recent posts kind of page?
# jeremycherfas Thanks
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[kaushal_modi] skippy: I'd be interested in that too. At the moment, I need to post manually, then copy the URL back in my post, and republish. I use Hugo static site generator. So am curious to see what other static site users do. What I do at the moment is not a big deal though, as I don't write too many posts.
# [kaushal_modi] *by "post manually*, I meant, "post to Twitter manually"
# [kaushal_modi] Awesome! Looking forward to that.
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aaronpk this is the library I use https://twitteroauth.com/
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# [kevinmarks] You could use silo pub, but it's not up
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# [kevinmarks] [jeremycherfas] if you have a lot of h-entry on a page, consider wrapping them in a h-feed so you can give a name and summary of the whole thing
# jeremycherfas Thanks kevinmarks. Not a lot, just summaries of five most recent posts.
# jeremycherfas Do you think that would still be worthwhile?
# [kevinmarks] what's the page?
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skippy !tell [kaushal_modi] here's the initial commit of my somewhat convoluted micropub setup for Hugo: https://github.com/skpy/micropub
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# kaushalmodi skippy: Thanks
# kaushalmodi skippy: I had a quick look.. The setup looks out of my skill level, and also probably won't work on Netlify?
# kaushalmodi " I run PHP in a container, which mounts my host's /var/www/html into the container. On my host, /var/www/html holds a WordPress multi-site setup." I wonder if mounting et al would be possible on Netlify.
# kaushalmodi OK, no problem. Micropub setup is on my list of things to investigate.. I will revisit this later.
# jeremycherfas Kevinmarks https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog
# kaushalmodi kevinmarks: Do you need to tag the elements inside h-entry classes in h-feed?
# kaushalmodi i.e. I understood the h-feed > h-entry part. But then, is h-feed > h-entry > p-name, etc. needed too?
# kaushalmodi Just confirming because I don't see any mention of doing so in http://microformats.org/wiki/h-feed
# [kevinmarks] you should put a p-name in the h-feed for the blog name, like you do in the atom feed:
# kaushalmodi kevinmarks: Thanks, that's what I did. I believe this looks good?: http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fscripter.co
# tantek cweiske++ wow thanks for identifying so many dead links! https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=projects&diff=prev&oldid=41350
# tantek to-do << Identify whole dead [[projects]] from https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=projects&diff=prev&oldid=41350 and move/archive them to another page accordingly, perhaps with archive-org links for their dead links
# Loqi ok, I added "Identify whole dead [[projects]] from https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=projects&diff=prev&oldid=41350 and move/archive them to another page accordingly, perhaps with archive-org links for their dead links" to the "See Also" section of /to-do
# Loqi ok, I added "[[posts-elsewhere]]" to the "See Also" section of /original_post_link
# kaushalmodi About the xray link I posted last, looks like the whole h-entry content is getting merged into the h-entry/name
# kaushalmodi So may be I should nest p-name and e-content in there too?
# kaushalmodi So: h-feed > h-entry >
{ p-name, e-content } ?# kaushalmodi Actually, I just did that/similar ( h-feed > h-entry >
{ p-name, p-summary } ), and now the JSON tree looks better: http://xray.p3k.io/parse?url=https%3A%2F%2Fscripter.co# sknebel !mf2 https://scripter.co
# sknebel oh, that uses a different site. pin13 url for completeness ;) pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://scripter.co
# kaushalmodi sknebel: Thanks! Then I wonder why "<p class="p-name hide">A Scripter's Notes Homepage</p>" isn't working..
# kaushalmodi as you see the h-feed/name is set to the whole page string
# kaushalmodi I have that p-name nested inside h-feed
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# kaushalmodi That's HTML minification at work..
# kaushalmodi The minification, I agree, is very aggressive.. though xray detects the name fine.
# kaushalmodi I take that back.. xray doesn't detect the p-name at all
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KartikPrabhu !tell cweiske thanks for the heads up. fixed now. somehow introduced a bug in mf2py debug info!
# kaushalmodi Not sure if the missing-p-tag issue is the php parser bug or the minification tool's bug.. but I have filed this issue there: https://github.com/tdewolff/minify/issues/194
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# aaronpk looks like it handles it fine https://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20180327162245693
# kaushalmodi aaronpk: correct
# kaushalmodi After I opened that issue, I found out that a lot of tags don't need closing: http://blog.teamtreehouse.com/to-close-or-not-to-close-tags-in-html5
# kaushalmodi aaronp: I see that xray also does not parse the h-feed/p-name
# kaushalmodi Is it using the same parser?
# kaushalmodi ok
# aaronpk maybe we should make the php parser use this if available? https://github.com/Masterminds/html5-php
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# kaushalmodi let me know how I can test that if you go that route
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# [kevinmarks] maybe make that <p> a <div> and close it - it is confusing unmung too
# KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: hmm mf2py should handle those kinds of things
# [kevinmarks] I know- it does if I paste in the html to parse, but giving it the url fails
# KartikPrabhu huh!
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gRegorLove Node parses with the unclosed <p>
# [kevinmarks] very confusing
# kaushalmodi It's probably also the <article> that follows the unclosed <p> as Zegnat/aaronpk noted
# gRegorLove Though Node gets "article content" as part of the name, so that's not quite right. Same for Ruby.
# kaushalmodi .. that's causing the problem as the current parser doesn't recognized HTML5 tags like article
# gRegorLove Go only gets "Hello World"
# kaushalmodi I guess my site turned out to be a good test case :P
# KartikPrabhu yeah possibly html5lib should handle this
# [kevinmarks] running it locally works, so maybe unmung as deployed is using lxml
# [kevinmarks] Go's parser was written after html5 was standardised, so is likely to follow that
# kaushalmodi The minify tool that I am using is written in Go, so I assume it uses some Go HTML parser internally or for testing?
# Zegnat https://github.com/layershifter/gumbo-php - for those interested
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# gRegorLove Gumbo looks cool. Unfortunate bug, though: https://github.com/layershifter/gumbo-php/issues/6
# gRegorLove what is 🏰
# Loqi A silo, or web content hosting silo, in the context of the IndieWeb, is a centralized web site typically owned by a for-profit corporation that stakes some claim to content contributed to it and restricts access in some way (has walls) https://indieweb.org/%F0%9F%8F%B0
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# snarfed wrote up much of what i did to get python 3 compatible code running on app engine standard (cc [kevinmarks]): https://snarfed.org/python-3-on-app-engine-standard
# [kevinmarks] ah, I was being confused by my cache I think
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# tantek which is just one example of broader /webactions
# AngeloGladding i'd love some guidance on follow/associate action flows
# AngeloGladding associate being analogous to "Add Friend|Contact|.."
# AngeloGladding oh tantek you may be thinking of me
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# AngeloGladding i was hesitant to use it at first but have come around
# AngeloGladding i was worried about a public computer caching the previous user's use
# AngeloGladding ooh.. good idea
# tantek aaronpk: we still need agreed upon ways to make steps 4, 8, 9 work here: https://indieweb.org/The_Social_Network#Features_shown
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# AngeloGladding personally i want to be able to add a person to my rolodex -- from there i can chose to relate(trust)/follow/etc.
# skippy re: posting to twitter from bash: https://github.com/piroor/tweet.sh
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# Zegnat Signed stickers? https://www.unixstickers.com/signed-stickers - Collect all the IndieWeb founder signatures.
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# [jeremycherfas] What is swat0
# Loqi SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0 and is a user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined on 2010-07-18 at FSWS2010 https://indieweb.org/SWAT0
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# tantek.com edited /SWAT0 (+760) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add Individual Roles section to collect folks who can only do one or more roles but haven't been able to demo interop with 2 other projects/solutions, incremental steps are good, separate mixed silo/indieweb example" (view diff)
# Loqi SWAT0 is an abbreviation for The Social Web Acid Test level 0, a user-feature interoperability test for social web functionality defined on 2010-07-18 at FSWS2010, and most recently demonstrated passing with IndieWeb examples live at IndieWebCamp 2015 https://indieweb.org/SWAT0
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# www.boffosocko.com edited /Facebook (+134) "/* How to */ Textile tool for Facebook Export" (view diff)
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# [kevinmarks] I think acegiak is the only one who could play all 3 roles
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# Loqi exercise is a (typically) passive post type that represents some form of physical activity https://indieweb.org/metrics
# Loqi analytics is the collection, analysis and reporting of a websites traffic https://indieweb.org/analytics
# tantek analytics << 2018-03-21 Criticism: focusing on (common) analytics led to clickbait: Stanford News: [https://news.stanford.edu/2018/03/21/this-stanford-scholar-learned-clickbait-will-surprise/ What this Stanford scholar learned about clickbait will surprise you]
# Loqi ok, I added "2018-03-21 Criticism: focusing on (common) analytics led to clickbait: Stanford News: [https://news.stanford.edu/2018/03/21/this-stanford-scholar-learned-clickbait-will-surprise/ What this Stanford scholar learned about clickbait will surprise you]" to the "See Also" section of /website-analytics
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