#dev 2018-04-22

2018-04-22 UTC
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aaronpk Ugh why do people assume URLs that don't exist should have valid certs
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aaronpk Was www.webmention.net linked from anywhere?
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tantek aaronpk: likely over-eager adding "www." to a correct URL
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[kevinmarks] Doesn't safari do that with some errors?
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[miklb] interesting. I’ve always blindly assumed to forward www both http & https but don’t remember why now.
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aaronpk I usually make a redirect for www, but I don't usually make an ssl cert for it too
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[miklb] ah. I probably saw it in a sample when I first setup certbot and have just been doing it out of habit.
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aaronpk I am seriously considering getting physical coins made from the OAuth logo that say "Access Token" on the back https://oauth.net/images/oauth-logo-square.png
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aaronpk does anyone else think this is as hilarious as I do
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GWG aaronpk: Challenge coin?
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aaronpk yeah like that
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aaronpk it's unfortunately not cheap cause you have to get a bunch of them made cause they make an actual mold
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aaronpk but I would gladly give one to anyone who builds an indieauth server :)
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[miklb] that’s awesome
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aaronpk i'm pretty into this idea
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GWG aaronpk: What if you turn 30% of the known web into potential Indieauth servers?
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tantek.com edited /app (+143) "fix blockquote" (view diff)
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skippy aaronpk: 3d print them.
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skippy dont use a mold.
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aaronpk haha I dont think that would turn out very good
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aaronpk okay I stand corrected, apparently shapeways can do some pretty convincing coin 3d prints
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aaronpk however they are a *lot* more expensive
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[kevinmarks] https://www.challengecoins4less.com
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[kevinmarks] https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/coin-check/ for back story
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kimberlyhirsh.com edited /generations (+21) "/* Generation 2 */" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] The oauth logo was based on NY subway tokens https://untappedcities.com/2011/07/06/subway-tokens-a-dose-of-nostalgia/
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Loqi [monique zamir] History of the NYC Subway Token 1953-2003
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[kevinmarks] https://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/1393821245
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[kevinmarks] Would you punch the A all the way through?
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[jeremycherfas] I have two 99pi challenge coins and would even consider learning enough to build an oauth server to get one of those.
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Loqi [jeremycherfas]: tantek left you a message 13 hours, 49 minutes ago: re: https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/improving-the-h-card-in-grav consider a slight improvement: a <span class="h-card"> with <data> elements for all the properties - that way you don't have to depend on CSS or use display:none which can count as a negative in some search engines
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Zegnat !tell skippy Hopefully http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-json#properties will answer all your questions about how to put properties in a mf2 JSON format.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Thanks tantek. So would that require identifying each element, as, say, data-name="name" data-photo="photo-url"? I'm not sure how to use data elements, but MDN seems to suggest that is they way.
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jeremycherfas The way
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Zegnat You are thinking data attributes, jeremycherfas
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jeremycherfas To be honest, zegnat, I do not know what I am thinking. I am just searching to fill in the giant holes in my knowledge.
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Zegnat <data> elements are just like <span> elements, but they have a value attribute specifically for marking up machine-readable data. So you can do: <data class="p-rsvp" value="yes">I am coming</data>, where the machine-readable (mf2 expected) value for the string “I am coming” is “yes”.
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Zegnat Empty <data> elements are like empty <span>s, so browsers will not render them. They are also better than empty <a> elements because they will not be added to the list of navigationable markers, e.g. for screen readers. So if you want to hide the author: <data class="u-url" value="https://example.org/"></data>
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jeremycherfas So that would translate as <data class="name" value="Jeremy Cherfas"> and <data class="u-photo" vlalue="https://path.to/photo">?
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Zegnat class="p-name" if you want mf2 parsers to pick up on it, but, yes.
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Zegnat And don’t forget the closing </data> tag.
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jeremycherfas Right. Yes, sorry about that.
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jeremycherfas Interesting; now is not a good time for me to play, but I have made a note to make the changes in my next dev session.
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Zegnat As always, feel free to give a shout when you are working on the HTML and want a refresher on <data>-elements :)
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jeremycherfas Thank you.
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aaronpk whoa I just realized that github's OAuth API uses form-encoded responses https://developer.github.com/apps/building-oauth-apps/authorization-options-for-oauth-apps/#response
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GWG What will you do m
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@ChrisAldrich This week, @dshanske and I discuss IndieAuth and the #WordPress plugin’s new functionality as well as some related micropub work David has been doing. #IndieWeb #podcast http://boffosocko.com/2018/04/18/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-2-indieauth/ (twitter.com/_/status/988122160081264640)
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tantek hey snarfed, have you been able to respond to / interact with pump.io posts via bridgy fed? e.g. https://identi.ca/evan/note/W8oRdOWQSBK7sb89H26AMA
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Loqi [Evan Prodromou] I've always liked this quote by Ben Franklin, made at the signing of the Declaration of Independence: We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. Sad to say, apparently it's unsourced, and had been attributed to a...
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tantek looks like has all the right h-entry and h-card data marked up properly - wondering if the AP support is compatible (interop) with bridgy fed
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aaronpk is making progress on indielogin.com
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tantek nice
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aaronpk doing things a bit different this time to help it blend into the background a bit better and be easier to use
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GWG aaronpk: What new features are you planning?
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tantek !tell swentel add yourself to https://indieweb.org/irc-people so that you show up in the logs with a photo and linked to your website!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !rt https://twitter.com/drupal8modules/status/988037319935561728
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/drupal8modules/status/988037319935561728
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Loqi Thanks aaronpk and tantek! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/988144274926534656
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tantek.com edited /Drupal (+118) "note indieweb module is newer than all the rest and does a lot of their functionality all in one module" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /projects (+406) "bump Drupal up to top list with two selfdogfood examples, note projects page is currently really aimed at developers and those familiar with a command line" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /former_projects (+825) "move TropoVBX / OpenVBX to abandoned - github untouched in 7 years, openvbx site gone and redirects to Twilio" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /former_projects (-2) "fix heading level" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Jekyll (+43) "direct github link for easier discoverability" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Indieweb_for_Journalism (+895) "Bylines to personal websites" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /libravatar (+567) "move How to here from [[projects]], add François Marier example" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /WikiSuite (-155) "this is a stub, remove advertising phrasing and exaggerations, define by what it actually supposedly does, subsections, note selfdogfooding by creator!" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /projects () "(-614) up TOC, Tiki Suite -> WikiSuite (noted creator selfdogfooding), OpenVBX/TropoVBX abandoned, move Libravatar to a new Side Projects section, eliminate past "production" section! lots of editorial" (view diff)
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tantek phew another big update
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tantek.com edited /Jekyll (+680) "move Other independents from /projects to here, merge with existing list, Why and How to sections at top, move IndieWeb Examples up" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /projects () "(-543) move Jekyll other examples to /Jekyll page, more editorial slashing" (view diff)
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[snarfed] [tantek] pump.io AP is still in progress. https://github.com/pump-io/pump.io/issues/1241
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Loqi [strugee] #1241 ActivityPub support
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tantek snarfed, interesting - I know they were also working on support for various IndieWeb building blocks
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[cleverdevil] Yay, now Puny can run 100% under Lambda.
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] As can PunyAuth.
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Loqi :D
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[cleverdevil] Together, they're an absolutely awful CMS, but hey, its a start 🙂
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[snarfed] [cleverdevil]++
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