#dev 2018-05-22

2018-05-22 UTC
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GWG aaronpk, I sent your PRs and mine to the WordPress reposi5
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GWG We'll see if it helps.
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+67) "fix quote" (view diff)
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aaronpk Ooh awesome
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GWG It's now hunting in REDIRECT_HTTP_AUTHORIZATION as allar
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GWG as apparently some servers store the token there for fastcgi
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jgmac1106 [gwg] and [aaronpk] heroes for working so hard on this'
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jgmac1106 can’t lied would have been Kapowski’ing the heck out of twitter if micropub worked
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tantek like via silopub?
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jgmac1106 look like [schmarty] added a publish through micropub button I am hoping I can click and send don’t know yet
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schmarty jgmac1106: the micropub thing with Kapowski should work!
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aaronpk figures out how to turn on "conference mode" on his website again for this week
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[jgmac1106] and I will be able to just add a status update right in the interface. Gonna be awesome
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schmarty sweet!
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GWG Does the new Indieauth work for you m
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[jgarber] Speaking of IndieAuth… Has anyone else noticed the Twitter provider not working? On indieauth.com/auth, I’m seeing:
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[jgarber] ```No rel=me link was found on https://twitter.com/jgarber to https://sixtwothree.org/```
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aaronpk that's odd
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aaronpk I think they removed the markup o.O
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[jgarber] Agreed. It had been working up until now and I’ve not made changes to my login page or my Twitter bio.
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[jgarber] 😐
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[jgarber] What _is_ on the Twitter profile is markup like:
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[jgarber] ```<a class="u-textUserColor" target="_blank" rel="me nofollow noopener" href="https://t.co/jvGsNIxaGI" title="https://sixtwothree.org">sixtwothree.org</a>```
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aaronpk wait
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aaronpk view source in my browser does not show a real page
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[jgarber] [aaronpk] So the _actual_ URL is in a `title` attribute. 🤦
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aaronpk that's fine, indieauth.com follows the t.co redirect
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[jgarber] oh lordy did they go javascript-all-the-things
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aaronpk this is what happens when i view source on twitter.com/aaronpk https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/90f7d8493be2ba8836868c7cdac0d9f8
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aaronpk and curl returns a blank page
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[jgarber] _woof_
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[jgarber] Noticed the same w/ `curl`…
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aaronpk ffs
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aaronpk oh well, i'm not gonna fix that on indieauth.com
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aaronpk try logging in here https://indielogin.com it should work
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[jgarber] Whoa, I hadn’t seen indielogin.com before.
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aaronpk it's still beta
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[jgarber] Very cool. So is this the next iteration of IndieAuth.com or something else entirely?
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aaronpk yeah it will eventually replace it
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aaronpk tho this twitter change just jumped up the priority on that
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[jgarber] Sorry to be the bearer of reprioritization!
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GWG It happens
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GWG It's an arms race
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aaronpk the new one uses the API and doesn't check for the rel=me link from twitter.com so it won't break again unless they change the api
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[jgarber] So flow is… Find `rel="me"` on my homepage, see a Twitter URL, parse that URL for a username, hit the Twitter API for details on that user?
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aaronpk it makes you authenticate with twitter before it checks the API
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[jgarber] Ah, right right. Gotcha.
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/bryanmcquade/scroll-to-css-selector/ this links to indieauth, but proposes something much more complicated
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aaronparecki.com edited /domain_name_registrar (-27) "/* Registrars */ remove "legacy" header, link to page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /domain_name_registrar (+172) "/* Registrars */ link to net neutrality post" (view diff)
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gRegorLove indieauth.com is saying "No rel=me link was found on https://twitter.com/gRegorLove to https://gregorlove.com/" but it looks good on Twitter.
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gRegorLove Tried updating my profile to remove and re-add my link, no dice. Hm.
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gRegorLove I see the rel-me in Twitter source, but not getting picked up by mf2 parse http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FgRegorLove
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aaronpk it's not in the source anymore
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aaronpk twitter is doing a weird js thing
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aaronpk scroll up a bit
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gRegorLove oops
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gRegorLove sigh, Twitter
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petermolnar did tumblr break their rss? when I do a "wget -O- https://wtfevolution.tumblr.com/rss" I get some bullshit HTML content, not XML
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cweiske "Before you continue, an update from us"
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cweiske "Tumblr is now part of the Oath family. Please review our updated Terms of Service and European Privacy Policy."
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petermolnar ...
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cweiske if you click OK, then it works :)
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petermolnar sure, click OK from the miniflux cron job :/
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petermolnar I guess I'll try to do that from lynx to see if they tie it to IP address
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cweiske I'd guess a cookie
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petermolnar in which case they completely borked RSS
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cweiske yep
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petermolnar oh, and it's JS
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petermolnar so no lynx version either
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petermolnar that is lovely
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tglo.be edited /domain_name_registrar (+220) (view diff)
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tglo.be edited /domain_name_registrar (+74) (view diff)
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tglo.be edited /domain_name_registrar (-32) (view diff)
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jgmac1106 [schmarty] so when you log into Kapowski with indieauth you lose the status bar with the img element. I was hopjng to still have a text input field case I wanted to add a little text as context.
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schmarty jgmac1106: I could add a separate input for text content when you’re logged in. I skipped that feature the first time to keep the focus on “reaction gif”s
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[jgmac1106] [schmarty] not a huge rush since I can't micropub
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[jgmac1106] I tried to remix it on Glitch, but couldn't get the array correct. Wanted to add a new search button when you are done (not logged in do not know what happens when logged in)
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[jgmac1106] But yeah if I could add some text and then send it out to Twitter be awesome. Might find Kapowski the most popular indieweb tool after bridgy
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skippy here's an interesting question: I have two domains. One is just for selfies, which I'd like to announce to Twitter. But I *also* want to POSSE **all** my tweets onto my primary domain.
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skippy What kind of indie/micro workflow could work? post selfie to first site, have that site announce to second site, and have second site POSSE the tweet...
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Ruxton just set a syndication target for the primary on the selfie?
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skippy hrm. yes. I'd need a syndication API on the primary site to facilitate that.
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Ruxton you have micropub?
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skippy i do.
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Ruxton you'd have to do a small bit of work, but all the pieces are there
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skippy indeed. thanks for the nudge!
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@m_ott ↩️ Hi Jan! I’m the last to mansplain anyone, especially the brilliant @rachelandrew 😄 What looks like a comment seems to be a Webmention. My site sends them for all links mentioned in an article and the site that gets the mention can then decide what to do with it. (twitter.com/_/status/998916034840219648)
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aaronpk wow I feel like that's worth a few screenshots
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aaronpk tricky problem
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sknebel yeah, the display isn't clear about what it is
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sknebel no reference to "mentioned this post", no clear indication it is an external post at all, or that it is longer
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[eddie] Yeah, I feel like at least the article title would have helped explain it
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jmac heh, yeah interesting
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sknebel I feel like anything that isn't a direct reply should get some context in the display
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[tantek] What's the problem? I feel like there's some context missing
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aaronpk that's the problem :)
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[tantek] Lol
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[tantek] One guess, is the problem of displaying comments vs mentions?
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aaronpk yup
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aaronpk perfect example of the difference
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aaronpk i want to post this series of screenshots somewhere
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[tantek] Series?
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aaronpk illustrating the whole tweet exchange with screenshots of the two blogs
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aaronpk what is the difference between a comment and a mention?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "difference between a comment and a mention" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "difference between a comment and a mention is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] No it looks simpler than that, not checking for explicit "in-reply-to" on the source before concluding it's a comment
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aaronpk sure, that's the technical fail here
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aaronpk but this is a great illustration of why presenting mentions different from comments is important
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[tantek] What is comments display?
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Loqi Comments are displayed in the context of an original post, and may be a mix of syndicated reply posts from other sites received via Webmention, as well as locally created comments https://indieweb.org/comments-display
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[tantek] ^^^ that's the page to explain it on
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aaronpk great
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aaronpk hm there is no existing "mention" section
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[tantek] Perhaps like as part of a step 1 in displaying comments, first make sure it's a comment before you display it as such!
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[tantek] What are mentions?
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Loqi A mentions page lists webmentions sent to a website https://indieweb.org/mentions
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[tantek] Overloaded apparently!
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aaronparecki.com edited /comments (+24) "rephrase to the positive" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /comments (+1010) "add screenshots showing how a mention presented as a comment can change the context" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/comments#Difference_between_comments_and_mentions
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swentel hmm, trying to setup another webmention.io account, but the rel=me for twitter isn't found
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swentel note, account was just made, so maybe it's all cache ..
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Zegnat swentel, Twitter did funny stuff to their HTML. No longer curlable, if I understood the discussion right. Mentioned earlier today.
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Zegnat Expect Twitter rel-me to fail all over the place.
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swentel ooh, bummer
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swentel but good to know
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swentel because it worked for another account (a couple of months ago)
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swentel but I'm using pgp for that one now
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Zegnat People have been coming in with this today, so would not be surprised if it is a change from the last 24 hours
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swentel right
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swentel thanks for the hint :)
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aaronpk Yea I need to just deprecate twitter on IndieAuth.com now
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aaronpk They broke their html markup and I have no intention of continuing to play cat and mouse with this situation
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aaronpk swentel: also with webmention.io you can have multiple domains on the same account. Just use the same endpoint on your first one and the new site will show up in your dashboard
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swentel oh
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swentel good to know
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swentel let me check
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swentel hmm, aaronpk, but it's a completely different site, that works too then ?
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aaronpk Yeah think of the webmention.io account as a completely separate thing from the domain it's receiving webmentions for.
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aaronpk Its just that the name of your account is the same as the dk
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aaronpk domain of the first site you make
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aaronpk My webmention.io account is named "aaronpk" because I made it before there was IndieAuth sign-in. I have a bunch of different domains on that account tho
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www.svenknebel.de edited /comments (-25) "/* Difference between comments and mentions */ more compact as gallery?" (view diff)
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swentel oooooh
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swentel that makes sense :)
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aaronpk sknebel++ that looks nice
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aaronparecki.com created /cargo-cult-antipattern (+8) "Create stub" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /cargo-cult-antipattern (+250) "aaronpk added "https://twitter.com/MarciRobin/status/998030243981033472" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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swentel ok nice, very nice
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swentel it is confusing indeed with the domain name
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swentel works fine!
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swentel aaronpk++
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aaronpk Cool
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aaronpk Yeah most people have only one site so it would be confusing to have to pick a username when they already have a domain name
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swentel yeah heh
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swentel setting up a hwc site now for my local community
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swentel that's at least the second drupal site then that I know that will use the modules heh
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swentel well, there's 3 I know of
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swentel Dries coming soon too
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swentel end of this month normally
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @jonst0kes we're working on it indieweb land. https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/998984691125547009)
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[jgmac1106] [aaronpk] I have been collecting a bunch of screenshots to try and show the differences of different workflows between comments and webmentions
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[kevinmarks] Interesting selection https://www.humblebundle.com/books/web-design-development-books
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swentel mmm trying to understand an error with indielogin.com
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swentel This client_id is not enabled for use on this website
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swentel I should just probably look at the code, that will probably give me better pointers :)
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swentel oooh
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swentel it's probably blocked by Config::$allowedClientIDHostss
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swentel as it's not in it
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aaronpk swentel: yea indielogin.com is not available for public use yet
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swentel ok, no problem
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aaronpk I'm probably going to end up making you sign up as a "developer account" or something in order to use it
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KartikPrabhu how do I sync my fork repo with the upstream one without making a new commit PR thing?
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KartikPrabhu anyone? :D
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Zegnat KartikPrabhu, what do you mean?
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swentel git merge origin/branch
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swentel should work iirc
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Zegnat Do you mean this? https://help.github.com/articles/syncing-a-fork/
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KartikPrabhu hmm possibly. Usually I do it on github with PR but that makes new commits
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KartikPrabhu ok worked thanks swentel Zegnat
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Zegnat aaronpk, interesting, planning any gate-keeping on those dev accounts to encourage people to selfhost their indielogin panel?
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aaronpk A combination of that and I'd like to have a way to send an email to people using it if I need to update them about something.
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aaronpk For example it'd be really great if I could contact everyone using IndieAuth.com and let them know about the upcoming changes.
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aaronpk as is, I'm going to have to resort to banner notices on the site itself
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gregorlove.com edited /cargo-cult-antipattern (+349) "dfn from /antipatterns" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 @aaronpk you could ask any Micropub or indieauth plugin developer to add a notice on the log in screen
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aaronpk A notice about what?
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snarfed yeah with bridgy i've appreciated that i can send at least FB users notifs inside FB instead of asking for their email
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snarfed so far i've only done that individually when their token expires, and then once en masse to announce that publish is dying, but still
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snarfed i should look into sending twitter DMs when twitter creds expire
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@jgmac1106 Explaining the #edu305 workflow. Hoping next time we gather as a class I will be using a microsub reader (https://jgregorymcverry.com/explaining-the-edu305-workflow-hoping-next-time-we-gather-as-a-class-i-will-be-using-a-microsub-reader/) (twitter.com/_/status/999022049698951173)
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@jgmac1106 Explaining the #edu305 workflow. Hoping next time we gather as a class I will be using a microsub reader (https://jgregorymcverry.com/explaining-the-edu305-workflow-hoping-next-time-we-gather-as-a-class-i-will-be-using-a-microsub-reader/) https://t.co/LeM5hzGyOa— Greg McVerry (@jgmac1106) May 22, 2018: https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/999022049698951173 (twitter.com/_/status/999024547436355584)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: mf2py 1.1.0 is out now!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu++ woo! thank you so much! excited to try it
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Loqi kartikprabhu has 23 karma in this channel (198 overall)
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snarfed (whitespace changes made it in, alt text not yet, right?)
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KartikPrabhu some whitespaces and backcompat implied-property rules
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KartikPrabhu will put alt-text under some flag in the next one so that if there is consensus it will show up in major version 2.0.0 or something
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snarfed great!
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gregorlove.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:twitter-no-js-2018-05-22.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:twitter-no-js-2018-05-22.png"
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gregorlove.com edited /Twitter (+463) "/* Issues */ === Breaks RelMeAuth ===" (view diff)
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gRegorLove "legacy Twitter" is now mobile.twitter.com
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gRegorLove what is Perch?
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Loqi Perch and Perch Runway are a content management systems based on PHP+MySQL https://indieweb.org/Perch
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gRegorLove Re: https://indieweb.org/comments#Difference_between_comments_and_mentions I think this is an issue in Perch's webmention add-on. Tracking down the author to ping them about it.
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gRegorLove Oh, Rachel is one of the devs herself :)
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GWG Can someone help me with prior art on this? Assuming you agree? https://github.com/Automattic/_s/issues/1294
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Loqi [dshanske] #1294 wp_link_pages should not be inside entry-content
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[manton] [aaronpk] I noticed your comment earlier about the Twitter change, but just now getting to taking a look at it. There's really no work-around?
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aaronpk Well the workaround is to not try to parse their html
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aaronpk indielogin.com works fine still cause t doesn't bother parsing html and uses the api instead