#dev 2018-05-24

2018-05-24 UTC
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jgmac1106 so I have five people who use @ReclaimHosting test MicroPub functionality. We all run into the header issues. Is there any thing I can tell the team there that they should do?
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skippy sure seems like Hugo + Micropub == headless CMS
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[jgarber] [aaronpk] Poking around with IndieLogin.com and noticing in both GitHub and Twitter flows that I’m getting the message:
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[jgarber] ```Your GitHub profile linked to https://sixtwothree.org but we were expecting to see https://sixtwothree.org/. Make sure you link to https://sixtwothree.org/ in your GitHub profile.```
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[jgarber] Basically, is “significant trailing slash” a thing?
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Loqi Jason Garber
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[jgarber] Hello, Loqi.
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KartikPrabhu [jgarber]: did you use the slash in the IndieLogin prompy?
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tantek [jgarber] hmm indielogin should handle that because it's about a default path "/" not "trailing slash" in general
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tantek that is, per URL standard, with or without the slash right after the domain name is the same
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[jgarber] KartikPrabhu I did not, no. I entered `https://sixtwothree.org` without the trailing slash on the IndieLogin homepage.
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Loqi Jason Garber
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[jgarber] [tantek] Agreed!
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tantek right, that's a UI thing
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tantek just entering "sixtwothree.org" should be enough for it to "work"
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[jgarber] [tantek] Also agreed! 😄
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tantek maybe I need to add that to the Web Sign-in spec
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tantek what is Web Sign-in?
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Loqi Web sign-in is signing in to websites using your personal web address (e.g https://indieweb.org/Web_sign-in
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[jgarber] So the ideal user experience is: a user enters their URL with or without protocol and the service determines the canonical endpoint for that domain name.
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[jgarber] e.g. ol’ jgarber enters `sixtwothree.org` into the webpage’s form and the service does the digging and following of redirects to determine that the canonical, resolvable website is at `https://sixtwothree.org`.
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Loqi Jason Garber
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tantek.com edited /Web_sign-in (-7) "fix dfn" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu [jgarber]: the without protocol might be problematic with the HTML form validation for a URL
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KartikPrabhu I have encountered that before
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KartikPrabhu not sure why HTML form validation for URLs is strict about protocoals
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[jgarber] @KartikPrabhu Meaning something like `<input type="url">` ?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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[jgarber] Ah, yeah, browsers went real strict on that implementation.
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[jgarber] There are some interesting validation details for `<input type="url">` on MDN: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/input/url
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tantek oh yeah that's quite annoying
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tantek IMO that was a mistake (overspecifying) in the HTML spec
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tantek and resulted in crappier than necessary UI due to browsers following the spec details, interoperating, and now being unable to change accordingly
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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[jgarber] Yeah, seems you can’t short-circuit the protocol requirement on a `<input type="url">` field, even using the `pattern` attribute:
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[jgarber] ☝ Doesn’t work as you might expect…
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[jgarber] ```<input type="url" id="url" pattern="^(https?:\/\/)?.*" required>```
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tantek [jgarber]: correct
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tantek for an example of how to "make it work", see tantek.com/relmeauth
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jgmac1106 Trying to work with ReClaim Hosting to figure out why no WordPress install on their servers can micropub but Known installs can
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tantek (just enough JS to force input type=url to work more "nicely" for users)
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jgmac1106 https://community.reclaimhosting.com/t/mircropub-htaccess-and-reclaim-hosting/1576/4
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[jgarber] [tantek] Always nice to see themattharris’ name showing up in miscellaneous places!
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jgmac1106 anyone see this in quill: Invalid user
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jgmac1106 The user URL that was returned in the access token did not match the domain of the user signing in.
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jgmac1106 I am trying to see if WP 4.9.6 made micropub not work for us and I am trying to log on with a site I threw up real fast https://indiewebsandbox.jgregorymcverry.com
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Loqi admin
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GWG That is interesting.
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jgmac1106 ohh yeah no its not, it no rel=me on Twitter probably
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jgmac1106 I haven’t been offered GitHub as a choice for authentication in awhile, just Twitter I think
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jgmac1106 nope it was https://indiewebsandbox.jgregorymcverry.com using the credentials of admin (admin) not me.
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Loqi admin
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jgmac1106 that is just a nick name, maybe the hcard widget got set to admin?
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jgmac1106 [unoabraham] here is the repo https://github.com/idno/Known
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Loqi [idno] Known: A social publishing platform.
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jgmac1106 if you are updating leave youg config.ini file and your upload folder alone
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jgmac1106 so what I did to make it into a bookmarking service was turn off all idno plug-ins but bookmarks. You can then set them to public or private. I then added the post to WordPress plu-in in case I ever want to write a reaction to a boommark
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tantek snarfed, I have another Bridgy Publish failure, this time a comment on an issue
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tantek looks like the log on brid.gy/github/tantek says "Processing" so I'll check again later
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tantek makes me wonder if it's the same issue as https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/824
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Loqi [snarfed] #824 404s from github API for publish
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tantek !tell snarfed if the problem is one of "Allowing admins to approve or deny applications " per https://developer.github.com/changes/2015-01-19-an-integrators-guide-to-organization-application-policies/ - do you think it would be reasonable to write-up a brief "How to enable your organization's repos to allow Bridgy Publish posts" in the Bridgy GitHub docs?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 Interesting discussion about the webmentions badging system occurring on LinkedIn: https://jgregorymcverry.com/interesting-discussion-about-the-webmentions-badging-system-occurring-on-linkedin/ (twitter.com/_/status/999497492386537472)
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aaronpk jgmac1106: id be happy to debug the header issues if I can get a test account on their servers
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aaronpk [jgarber]: hm yeah that should have worked without specifying the default / path, I thought I had a test case for that when I was working on it but must have missed it somehow
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jeremycherfas.net uploaded /File:vHWC.png "�Screenshot of vHWC in progress on 2018-05-23 https://indieweb.org/File:vHWC.png"
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realize.be edited /Drupal (+166) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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realize.be edited /Drupal (+68) "/* IndieWeb Tools */" (view diff)
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realize.be edited /Drupal (+96) "/* IndieWeb Tools */" (view diff)
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@Lady_Ada_King ↩️ For now I am going to use indieauth because it is the quickest solution to setup and in all likelihood I will be the only one to use this project. (twitter.com/_/status/999601102113923072)
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jgmac1106 !tell [aaronpk] No problem just send me your email address. I didn’t see one in your hcard.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel jgmac1106: it's firstname@lastname.com (there's a rel=me on his homepage with it)
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sknebel (given that fact I probably could have written it out, despite public logs...)
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jgmac1106 thx [sknebel] and if you want the job I hope you get it. Beating a test is better than failing it
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Zegnat Mixing up people again, jgmac1106? Or did sknebel also go through a job application? ;)
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jgmac1106 yep [zegnat] luckily [sknebel] didn’t stumble into a channel where Loqi would wish him good luck today
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jgmac1106 [pilch] [mrkndvs] the plot thiickens: https://community.reclaimhosting.com/t/micropub-htaccess-and-reclaim-hosting/1576/11?u=jgmac1106 a clean install on ReClaim Hosting works
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GWG No it doesn't. He didn't try the Indieauth plugin with the local endpoint
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GWG He notes he set up his rel me, which means he is using Micropub by itself, which uses Indieauth.com
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jgmac1106 can I just do that?
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Zegnat That shouldn’t matter, surely, GWG? Micropub still requires the Authorization header to come through to post
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Zegnat That just says that the Authorization header isn’t the problem here. Or does WP have some other way of checking authorization on Micropub requests?
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sknebel depends what the client uses?
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sknebel that tripped us up the first time we had this header issue with the inbuild IndieAuth, the request was formencoded with the token in the params
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GWG We support both
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GWG https://github.com/dshanske/wordpress-indieauth/blob/master/includes/class-indieauth-authenticate.php#L463
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Zegnat Right. And if WP supports both, clients that put it in the body may work while clients that send the header may not work because of server settings.
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Zegnat So when are people going to stop using Apache? :P
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sknebel when nginx speaks .htaccess :P
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jgmac1106 When somepne can figure out how to pronounce LNMP instead of LAMP
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GWG Question is, what do we do?
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sknebel I believe quill uses formencoded for notes. So to be sure, they'd have to post something using html, so using the article editor
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GWG I tried the article editor last night
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@qubyte ↩️ @Lady_Ada_King @Xavier_Ho +1 for indieauth! It could use a bit more popularising. :D (twitter.com/_/status/999608791120449536)
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jgmac1106 answer is maybe leave WordPress
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sknebel it's really not wordpress's fault (from what we can tell), everything behind a webserver eating the header will have problems
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Zegnat Yep
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Zegnat Take a clean setup on any server, run the diagnostics (https://gist.github.com/Zegnat/f4192c3cce05d847af3547eea80e383c) and if it comes back red you know the server is mangling your header somewhere. Basically all you can do.
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jgmac1106 but [zegnat] don’t forget I pass your header test
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Zegnat If it comes back green, then disappearing headers aren’t your problem
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sknebel unless there's some wordpress-specific config by the hosting provider getting in the way
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Zegnat Sure. Yes. You need to run the diagnostics in the exact environment you are running WP in.
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Zegnat Maybe I should turn it into a WP plugin :P
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GWG Zegnat, might be better to build it in
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sknebel GWG: did you look into getting clearer errors yet?
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sknebel (I remember you mentioning some issue with that, but forgot the details)
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GWG Then unauthorized? Well, the issue is tricky
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GWG It might have to be a debug setting
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sknebel if a dedicated testing endpoint is easier, that'd be cool too
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Zegnat Probably better, yes, GWG. I just don't see myself writing that PR anytime soon as I have zero clues about WP Dev and would not want to step into the IndieWeb plugins on first try.
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GWG Because when the authorization fails, it hands control over to WordPress to try other authentication methods
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GWG Which is what is supposed to happen, but that doesn't help this issue
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sknebel can't override that for your endpoints?
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GWG sknebel, I can. Just needs to be a setting that can be turned off.
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sknebel oh, are people using micropub etc with other auth?
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GWG sknebel, it isn't Micropub. It is the WordPress REST API
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sknebel sure, but if you override it *for your endpoints only*, that shouldn't be an issue
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GWG That's what the Endpoint is built on.
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Zegnat has flashbacks to Known
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GWG I can, just going to be very fine grained with it
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GWG Thr
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GWG The problem is the Micropub Endpoint is independent of the IndieAuth endpoint
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GWG So I would have to be very careful with how I did this to make sure I get it right.
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sknebel would it be easier to have one of the indieauth endpoints do it?
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GWG I am trying to think of the best way
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sknebel I know, I should stop asking questions and let you do what you think works ;)
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GWG I have an idea
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GWG The Micropub plugin has its own Indieauth client code
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[kevinmarks] a workaround for twitter not having html for user pages is to use the twitter user intent page
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[kevinmarks] this is what unmung does
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[kevinmarks] so if you have twitter.com/aaronpk you instead look up https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=aaronpk
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[kevinmarks] and that still has mf1 hcard and xfn rels in http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Faaronpk&html=&pretty=on
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[kevinmarks] for tweets you could use the oembed endpoint to get back json with the tweet html in
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Zegnat Yep, tantek found that too. Which would be enough for rel-me profile equivalence, but wasn’t actually accepted by IndieAuth.com at this time
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[kevinmarks] https://publish.twitter.com/oembed?url=https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/999173838012272640
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@aaronpk This is my calendar tomorrow. Giving a talk right before @barackobama #oktane18 #notevenkidding https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd3HT1GVAAEnkuF.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/999173838012272640)
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[jgmac1106] can I add a rel=me to GitHub?
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sknebel sure
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[jgmac1106] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAURH4TG8/screenshot_2018-05-24_08.56.28.png?pub_secret=d560c0d3c8&name=Screenshot 2018-05-24 08.56.28.png how?
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sknebel one of the things that Indieauth.com/Indielogin.com support too
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sknebel [unoabraham]: do you run your SSG on your own server, or are you using a service?
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sknebel [jgmac1106]: http vs https
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jgmac1106 I couldn’t get local endpoints working trying the indieauth endpoints to see if that does anything at all, but I can’t get GitHub authentication to work
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jgmac1106 the bio won’t take html
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[jgmac1106] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAWDEG8MU/screenshot_2018-05-24_08.59.33.png?pub_secret=8d96512645&name=Screenshot 2018-05-24 08.59.33.png
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sknebel you have set your url with http
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sknebel and try to log in with https
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jgmac1106 that worked stupid mistake
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jgmac1106 but I get the damn header error no matter what I do, slowly backing away and going back to screenshottting each post kind and comparing how mark up renders with a theme a lot of friends use
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jeremycherfas Is it possible to turn an existing copy of a git repo on my server into a clone of the repo?
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sknebel jeremycherfas: I don't understand the question?
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jeremycherfas That's probably why I can't find an answer in stackoverflow. :)
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sknebel what do you want to be able to do and can't right now?
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jeremycherfas OK, I downloaded the zip of Known and then uploaded it to my server. So only my server I have a working copy, but it is not a clone of the original repo. So when there is an update to the master, I can't simply pull the changes.
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jeremycherfas If possible, I would like to make my server copy into a clone of the origin rather than a copy of the origin.
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jeremycherfas Does that make sense?
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sknebel ah
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swentel two remotes I guess
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jeremycherfas ?
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sknebel the zip doesn't have a git repository in it
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sknebel just the files
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swentel oh
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swentel and you can't clone known ?
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sknebel so I'd just clone the repository, and if you made changes just copy your files over it and commit them
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jeremycherfas That's right. Only files. I CAN clone Known, but if it is possible to somehow make my existing copy into a clone, I was hoping to be able to do that.
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sknebel not that I'd know
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[kevinmarks] the easiest way is probably to move your files aside and make a new clone
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jgmac1106 what do you mean Clone it, why not just download it and upload it, would that not be a clone?
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[kevinmarks] do you have bbedit/textwrangler? that has a good ui for finding and merging changes to an entire folder full of text files.
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jgmac1106 if you leave the config.ini and upload files alone you are fine, technically you can move the upload folder and the config.ini file in between Known instances
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jeremycherfas The main reason stopping me doing a new clone from scratch is that my existing files are already in the correct folder on my server. So I can only clone into a new foldername. Then rename that folder, I guess.
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jeremycherfas [jgmac1106] I want to be able to sync easily with origin/master
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sknebel yep, renaming the folder works.
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jeremycherfas I do have BBEDIT.
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jeremycherfas So the git init stuff doesn't care about the name of the folder it is in?
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jgmac1106 [jeremycherfas] I miss with the days when ReClaim Hosting just updated to master for me. They stopped at 9.9.2
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Loqi misses with the days when ReClaim Hosting just updated to master for me too
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jgmac1106 I have so many Known instances updating them all..
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jeremycherfas One reason I want to be able to sync for myself. Mapcyka just pushed a change that fixes the problem I was happening with tags in instagram
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jgmac1106 Loqi Jim Groom makes a a terrible master, he is into weird stuff
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jgmac1106 if you figure out a workflow please let me know,
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Zegnat Can’t you `git init` in the current folder you are using for known, then add the Known github repo as a remote, and fetch from there? That sounds like it should work.
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Zegnat No need to first move the current files I’d think. But I haven’t tested
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jeremycherfas Almost there with renaming the clone; just waiting for /uploads to upload
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jgmac1106 can anyone point me to the w3c community guide or dicumentation on post-kinds? I have the name wrong and can’t find the link in post logs
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sknebel https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery
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jgmac1106 thx, will use this to see how well markup works on nonindieweb themese and make user guides “if you select note” don’t add a title
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jgmac1106 [gwg] needs another feature like another hole in the head nbut would love a bridgy to LinkedIn syndication
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sknebel luckily gwg isn't working on bridgy ;)
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sknebel I believe that has been an open request for years, but nobody wanted it strongly enough to build it
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Zegnat silo.pub didn’t do linked in either, did it?
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Zegnat What is silo.pub?
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Loqi silo.pub is a Micropub endpoint for hosted blogs like Tumblr, WordPress.com, Blogger, and Twitter https://indieweb.org/Silo.pub
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petermolnar jgmac1106: I believe snarfed would welcome contributions to https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy
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Loqi [snarfed] bridgy: Bridgy pulls comments and likes from social networks back to your web site. You can also use it to publish your posts to those networks.
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sknebel https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/166
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Loqi [snarfed] #166 add LinkedIn support
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petermolnar ah, right, I even forgot about https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy#adding-a-new-silo
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Loqi [snarfed] bridgy: Bridgy pulls comments and likes from social networks back to your web site. You can also use it to publish your posts to those networks.
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jgmac1106 neither did I but my indieweb posts are getting more action there. I used to syndicate with jetpack but turned it off
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jgmac1106 [sknebel] I am not sure a new user could even get bridgy to twitter workign right now
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jgmac1106 Bridgy Error: Could not find Twitter account for indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com. Check that your Twitter profile has indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com in its web site or link field, then try signing up again.
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jgmac1106 yet here are links: https://twitter.com/jgmac1106
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jgmac1106 and I can’t manually add the links here: https://brid.gy/twitter/jgmac1106#
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petermolnar no, they are not :( <a href="https://t.co/DS9BhCYHT2" rel="nofollow noopener" dir="ltr" data-expanded-url="https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/" class="twitter-timeline-link" target="_blank" title="https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="js-display-url">indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com</span><span class="invisible">/</span><span class="tco-ellipsis"><span class="invisible">&nbsp;</spa
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petermolnar n></span></a>
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petermolnar the href is t.co, not your actual site
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sknebel yes, twitter broke their markup, same issue as with indieauth.com
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petermolnar it's neither your, not brid.gy's fault, this is twitter f*kery
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Zegnat See https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/823
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Loqi [snarfed] #823 twitter html changes broke scraping for likes
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Zegnat That’s parsing likes specifically. But for validating new sites, there might also be an issue. Not sure how Bridgy is handling that.
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petermolnar apparently look for data-expanded-url first, than fall back to href seems to be a way to deal with it
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sknebel petermolnar: they did t.co before too, the bigger problem is that they now do a stupid redirect through a JS-only site
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jgmac1106 yeah was just hoping that broke indieauth since bridgy still worked for me…it can’t going to go back to recommending different POSSE tool. What place nicer with mf2 SNAP or JetPack? I heard some folks say when you syndicate with JetPack it takes out mf2 and uses microdata..but I have no idea if that is true
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petermolnar it's not JS-only, there's a http meta refresh as well
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petermolnar but that's not much better
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Zegnat If you curl the thing without a cookie or session already set, you’ll get HTML like this petermolnar: https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/90f7d8493be2ba8836868c7cdac0d9f8
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petermolnar SNAP is a rather straightforward plugin, but god save us all from checking it's code
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Zegnat Which is why basically all validation code died. No more HTML to curl.
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petermolnar huh
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petermolnar I didn't know that
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petermolnar that's.... I mean... I'm getting so tired of silos.
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jgmac1106 [petermolnar] that is why I walked away, it looked so messy I figure there had to be vunerabilities everywhere, and that is with my untrained eye
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petermolnar jgmac1106: I actually contributed to SNAP, and they even accepted it, but it really wasn't a pleasant thing to do
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petermolnar it was about pushing location data to flickr
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Zegnat jgmac1106, note that your syndication doesn’t have to be based on anything mf2-y at all. Nothing wrong with just looking for an unrelated LinkedIn syndication tool and using that
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jgmac1106 thx [zegnat] I did here that when you syndiated with JetPack specifically it messes with mf2 but I have no data to back up heresay claim, will soon and let folks know
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Zegnat I can’t imagine why syndication code would mess with mf2. Your mf2 is probably in your theme, and I doubt JetPack is first generating how your post would look in your theme and then pulling that HTML to syndicate. I expect syndication plugins to just use your post content and syndicate that, wouldn’t even see mf2.
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[kevinmarks] as I said earlier, the workaround is to use the twitter intent page
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jgmac1106 so looking for advice then, Here is a post I made a theme I know a lot of friends use, while I can’t fix it (yet) I can tell the mf2 isn’t on point. What would be the best way to compare my “source code” to a way an aticle should be markedup https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/blog/uncategorized/this-is-an-article-post-kind/#this-is-an-article-post-kind
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jgmac1106 yeah [kevinmarks] I saw that but for my audience I think it is just walk away from syndicating with bridgy, but I will try that for my testing purposes
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sknebel jgmac1106: actually, when did you get that bridgy error? I might be wrong about it being related to the markup change
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jgmac1106 now
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sknebel what were you doing
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jgmac1106 new instance
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sknebel and what were you doing on that?
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jgmac1106 install wordpress>install theme>install plugins>authorize>bridgy>go to twitter change profile to add link to blog>FAIL>go to to bridgy and try to manually crawl>FAIL
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jgmac1106 https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/blog
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sknebel did you log out of bridgy and log in again?
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jgmac1106 no
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sknebel then try that
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jgmac1106 just did
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jgmac1106 will try to post again
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@aswath ↩️ @Lady_Ada_King It most certainly can. We use that in our project. See https://indieauth.com/setup (twitter.com/_/status/999654378855452672)
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Zegnat jgmac1106, not sure about “the best way to compare” article markup ... but there should be example markup on the wiki
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jgmac1106 okay that got me further but now I got: Bridgy Error: No microformats2 data found in https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/blog/uncategorized/this-is-an-article-post-kind/
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Zegnat what is article?
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Loqi An article is a kind of post that typically has more structure than a simple note https://indieweb.org/article
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jgmac1106 mf2 plug-inis installed but maybe this theme will just be too different to ever bring in hte fold
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Zegnat Bridgy is not wrong, there are no mf2 objects on that page :P
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Zegnat I do not know what the mf2 plugin does and doesn’t do. But adding the classes to your theme shouldn’t be too hard
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jgmac1106 yes and forgetting Bridgy for a bit, that is what I am trying to do. Just document where the mf2 is wrong in each post kind
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sknebel (so bridgy doesn't rely on parsing page, which makes sense given the flow. (and I somewhow though jgmac1106 was trying to add a new twitter account, not a new domain). Just needed reauthorization to check again for URLs, like the error message said)
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] where could I find a “best case” of what each post-kind “should” look like
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Zegnat Lots of post types will have example markup on their wiki pages, like this: https://indieweb.org/note#How_to_publish
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jgmac1106 thx, the goal is to fire upmy text editor and show, “This is what happens” and this is “What should happen” and then fall flat on my face trying to convert “should” into “does"
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Zegnat Ah, that is always a little harder. Basically you can read the post-type-discovery algorithm and it tells you what properties it expects to see for each post type. Then you can run your HTML through a microformats parser until you see the properties you expect.
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jgmac1106 Where do I find “ post-type-discovery algorithm”
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Zegnat What is PTD?
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Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for determining the type of a post by what properties it has and potentially what value(s) they have, which helps avoid the need for explicit post types that are being abandoned by modern post creation UIs https://indieweb.org/PTD
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jgmac1106 okay and a fav microformats parser/
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Zegnat I use https://pin13.net/mf2-dev/ a lot, as it is the bleeding edge PHP one
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Zegnat (Or actually run a copy of that locally, but the online version is just as usable.)
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Zegnat That would be a cool session for HWC/IWC, if you have a lot of WordPress users attending: have a sit down and fix the mf2 in the themes :D
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jgmac1106 thx [zegnat] and this is a good idea for a session, I would learn alot
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Zegnat I am always happy to have a sit down and going back to just the HTML and mf2 side of things. Sadly I will not physically be at IWS.
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jgmac1106 and the west coast time zone gonna be a killer for you
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Zegnat Not really, I’ll just swap time zones to participate remotely. Did that last time as well.
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sknebel I suspect Zegnat will be living on west coast time for a few days
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Zegnat Yep
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Zegnat It does help that it doesn’t really get completely dark around here by that time of year ;)
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jgmac1106 on a seperate note I throught https://bookmarks.jgregorymcverry.com up as a PoC for [unoabraham] I like the workflow so much I might just keep it as my bookmarking solution…in the end I will probably just go back to a dual solution of WordPress for long-form writing and Known (or somethign Known like) for everything else.
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jgmac1106 but as I said yesterday this is just 0.9.9.2 will update to latest and greatest from [mapkyca] soon
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[kevinmarks] you need an h-entry
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jgmac1106 then [zegnat] we could also add to the https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery/#examples be nice if each psot-kind had an h-entry example and other types under consideration are now being used so they need to be moved
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Zegnat They are being used, but I guess they aren’t actually part of the algorithm yet
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Zegnat With PTD also being published to W3 at https://www.w3.org/TR/post-type-discovery/ I am not sure how freely people should/can come in to update the algorithm with post types in use
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jgmac1106 I know [kevinmarks] this is a theme alan levin @cogdog is developing. My first step is documenting what is missing
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Zegnat If you click through to any of those post types most of them will have markup example up top. E.g. bookmarks: https://indieweb.org/bookmark#How_to_markup
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jgmac1106 if you meant the Known bookmarks site..I will get to that. Hoping when I update to 9.9.9 the bookmark will get wrapped in h-entry
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swentel it's aaaaaaaal much easier with drupal ;-)
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jgmac1106 [swentel] that is my next two week indieweb experiment after WordPress wraps up
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swentel cool
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jgmac1106 [zegnat] how did you find that link form here: https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery
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jgmac1106 I can just guess with the url but where is the page that links to all of these how to mark up pages
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Zegnat jgmac1106, scroll to “Other Types Under Consideration”, click “bookmark”, scrolls down to “How to markup”, which is included even before the TOC
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jgmac1106 My university is moving to Drupal and I have built massive drupal sites in the past so learning curve shouldn’t be steep
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Zegnat There is https://indieweb.org/Category:PostType which links to several post types people have experimented with
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Zegnat Whether all of them include markup examples I don’t know. If they don’t, it should probably be added.
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jgmac1106 Just as easy to type in the post-kind into url, but there is a another good #indieweb-meta goal a directory of post kinds with links to exemplars on marking up
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jgmac1106 https://indieweb.org/article#How_to_markup for ex doesn’t exist yet
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Zegnat Most of them just come down to standard h-entry markup, with a specific property added.
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jgmac1106 cool so us making example of every kind should not be difficult
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jgmac1106 it is probably somewhere on the wiki. often feel I need a wiki for the wiki
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Zegnat article is basically just a note but with a title
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/note#How_to_publish - but put the p-name class on the element that is your title, instead of having the name and content be on the same element. Then you are done
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jgmac1106 you can say that but showing it to people like we do here: https://indieweb.org/bookmark#How_to_markup is best approach IMHO
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Zegnat Yes, I am a little surprised article doesn’t have an example listed
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Zegnat Can probably copy the example from http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Example
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML. ...
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jgmac1106 add it to the punch list for me, I already went way beyond my two hours the morning , but my goal is to create a directory of all post-kind markups that I could point WordPress theme developers to and say “your templates need to render like this”
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jgmac1106 thx for the help [kevinmakrs] [zegnat] and [sknebel] I would hand out Karma but I think Loqi being stingy today
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Loqi you're welcome
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sknebel Loqi--
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sknebel :P
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jgmac1106 …but I so want to go update my bookmarks page to see if I get the h-entry….shutting down all communication so I am not tempted
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Zegnat Sounds like you want to create a pattern library for post markup, jgmac1106 ;) Could be a fun project.
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jgmac1106 <— googling pattern library
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jgmac1106 what is pattern library
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pattern library" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pattern library is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Surely that was the term. Hmm
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Zegnat Search through adactio.com, he probably wrote loads about it
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Zegnat https://adactio.com/journal/tags/patterns
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Zegnat ClearLeft build this: https://fractal.build/
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Zegnat Now if only I could come up with a good definition to give to Loqi ...
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Zegnat A pattern library is a collection of reusable pieces (often code) of a website
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Make that a big ol’ {{stub}}
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jeremycherfas Known bookmarks have had h-entry forever.
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jgmac1106 everyting I am reading makes it just a front-end UI guide. A long time ago we used to call things like this “directions” you computer folks usually say “documentation” indieweb folks” say its some page somewhere on the wki give me as sec”
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jgmac1106 [jeremycherfas] I pushed a very old version through installatron. I was in a car, sftp, github, etc not possibel
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skippy good morning.
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Loqi guten morgen
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jgmac1106 my bad it does <div class="row idno-entry idno-entry-like h-entry idno-bookmarkedpages idno-object">
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jgmac1106 with the h-card immediatley following [kevinmarks] must have been refferin got he WordPress post
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jeremycherfas Hewre's one of mine https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstream.jeremycherfas.net%2F2018%2Famerican-culture-and-platforms-for-consumer-creativity-case-study-4
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] "American culture* and platforms for consumer creativity (case study 4)"
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Zegnat jgmac1106, it is a UI guide of sorts. But it will often include the specific code that is expected to be used on a site. So a generic IndieWeb pattern library would say things like “if you want to include a bookmark, here is the HTML to use”
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skippy how might i get one Micropub endpoint to syndicate to another one? Can I register a token (say, in mintoken), and pass that from the source micropub server to the target one?
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Zegnat Sure. Take the incoming micropub request on server one, if it has a syndication for an outside micropub endpoint, just pass it along. Either with the same token (if the second endpoint uses the same token endpoint) or with a pre-set token.
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[jgmac1106] thinking maybe its another indieweb plugin causing the header issues https://community.reclaimhosting.com/t/micropub-htaccess-and-reclaim-hosting/1576/14?u=jgmac1106
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Zegnat And maybe drop things like mp-syndicate-to out of the payload, else the second endpoint may try to syndicate as well.
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skippy Zegnat: hrm. i want to post a photo to skippy.is, then have that site tell skippy.net to post to twitter, so that the source tweet is retained at skippy.net....
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[jgmac1106] I did exactly the same thing this morning with https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/blog/ that he did with https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com though do not know what @timmyboy did differently than me
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Zegnat skippy, interesting. Any reason why you do not just post to skippy.net and have it syndicate to both twitter and skippy.is? If the post is going to live in skippy.net anyway?
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skippy i want the photo post to live at skippy.is. i want to post to twitter that I made a new post there. i want to POSSE all tweets from skippy.net.
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skippy so when i say "syndicate from one micropub to another" i'm probabyl overloading the term "syndicate"
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skippy i dont want to tweet from skippy.is and then backfeed that tweet into skippy.net.
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Zegnat Aah.
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sknebel I think syndicate is fine for that
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sknebel as a term
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Zegnat Yeah, I’d probably have skippy.is generate a micropub request to skippy.net then. Probably just a note post that can be syndicated to Twitter as is?
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skippy seems legit.
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GWG jgmac, Bridgy features are snarfed. I just do the WordPress UI
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[jgmac1106] @gwg did you my post from @ReClaim? Can not figure out why everything works with Micropub except when I do it
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 14 hours, 31 minutes ago: if the problem is one of "Allowing admins to approve or deny applications " per https://developer.github.com/changes/2015-01-19-an-integrators-guide-to-organization-application-policies/ - do you think it would be reasonable to write-up a brief "How to enable your organization's repos to allow Bridgy Publish posts" in the Bridgy GitHub docs?
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snarfed once we've confirmed that, sure
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@jotixa ↩️ bueno aparte da microsubárea de hermisente creo, que ten 6 sibilantes hahahahaha pero iso, que será o 2% do territorio lingüístico total hahaha (twitter.com/_/status/999698263413583872)
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snarfed !tell tantek interesting. looking at the logs from your recent bridgy publish github comment failures (at the bottom): "Although you appear to have the correct authorization credentials, the `whatwg` organization has enabled OAuth App access restrictions, meaning that data access to third-parties is limited. For more information on these restrictions, including how to whitelist this app, visit https://help.github.com/articles/restr
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed icting-access-to-your-organization-s-data/ "
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@sil ↩️ yeah, it really doesn't; they're separate things, and way less in-depth, I think. But I hate the disqus style of thing, and mine's static so I didn't want real comments. This is why I did webmentions, but they are too far from critical mass so I hardly get any :) (twitter.com/_/status/999708088558084096)
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@sil ↩️ one nice thing with webmentions (apart from the indieweb crowd feeling a bit like the way the world was when we all got into this in about 2003) is that bridgy exists so all the twitter/etc comments show up as webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/999708931105738752)
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[keithjgrant] Click "Logs" in footer to open logs https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAWLUDXV4/screen_shot_2018-05-24_at_2.07.48_pm.png?pub_secret=5c7524fc22&name=Screen Shot 2018-05-24 at 2.07.48 PM.png
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[keithjgrant] New "Record debug logs" option in Omnibear Settings page https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAVHB5ZT6/screen_shot_2018-05-24_at_2.07.11_pm.png?pub_secret=6af9f4f27f&name=Screen Shot 2018-05-24 at 2.07.11 PM.png
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[keithjgrant] Log screen https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAVHBBW5A/screen_shot_2018-05-24_at_2.08.02_pm.png?pub_secret=8c9896d048&name=Screen Shot 2018-05-24 at 2.08.02 PM.png
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[keithjgrant] OK omnibear people. I added logging. Not in a released build yet, but this is now in master branch
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[keithjgrant] I'm particularly interested to see if this sheds some light for those of you having authentication problems
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[miklb] how might I install that build into FF?
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[keithjgrant] pull down the repo; Navigate to "about:debugging"; click "Load temporary add on"; select dist/manifest.json file in repo
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[keithjgrant] (you might want to disable your currently installed version so you don't get the two confused)
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[miklb] sure. thanks
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[keithjgrant] the logs actually store a little more data than is currently displayed. I still need to add that to the view
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[keithjgrant] btw: info/warnings are NOT saved until you check the box in settings
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[keithjgrant] (errors are)
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[miklb] weird. it works with that version.
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[keithjgrant] interesting. maybe a recent version bump of the micropub library?
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[miklb] at least it sets an auth token in settings now
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[miklb] Let me try publishing
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[keithjgrant] As long as no major bugs pop up in the next day or two, I'll release this
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[miklb] well, I’m able to post, and seeing an error in logs about retrieving syndicate-to links, but I’m also seeing a fatal error in my logs for indieauth WP plugin, so I’m going to have to look at this tonight. Thanks for the help with debugging.
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[miklb] keithjgrant++
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[miklb] not able to post
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[keithjgrant] OK. Let me get the full log data displaying, then e can see what the error is, hopefully
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[keithjgrant] (it did log an error?)
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[miklb] yes, logged an error.
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[miklb] This is the bug I’m experiencing in WordPress https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieauth/issues/45
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Loqi [idallas] #45 Fatal Error when attempting to post via micropub
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[keithjgrant] Hm. So it's maybe on the WP end?
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[miklb] possible, or a combination. I’ll keep chipping away at it. I’ll have some free time next week in the evenings while I’m in Oakland (hope to get over to the HWC in SF) and will have more time to work on my site/stuff.
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[jgmac1106] [miklb] I wonder if it is related to my problems. Don't know if you are following that thread. Worse folks behind my shared hosting went in and were able to successfully post to micropub doing exact same thing I am doing.
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[miklb] one way to find out is turn on debugging and check your debug.log in wp-content directory for same error message
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[jgmac1106] okay doing some coaching with teachers and then have to actually coach baseball but will look tonight. https://community.reclaimhosting.com/t/micropub-htaccess-and-reclaim-hosting/1576/13?u=jgmac1106
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[jgmac1106] actually [miklb] I got this site working https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/uncategorized/9/ but not https://jgregorymcverry.com so maybe I can figure out what is different
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Loqi hello all
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[jgmac1106] updating to 4.9.6 and seeing if that breaks it, then will add indieweb plugins one by one to see if there is a conflice
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[jgmac1106] conflict
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[jgmac1106] still worked in 4.9.6: https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/uncategorized/10/
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Loqi test
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[jgmac1106] askimet did not break it
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[jgmac1106] yippeee. I now know the indieauth plug-in is what breaks it
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@Lady_Ada_King I just set up pouchdb to sync with my app. Authenticated using IndieAuth so I hold no passwords. It was amazing to see changes made in Chrome appear in Firefox in realtime! (twitter.com/_/status/999725917038612481)
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@Lady_Ada_King ↩️ My brain is fried! It was a huge pain in the arse to rewrite the URLs to map IndieAuth codes to the correct database. Code is itty bitty but I kept trying to do it in Express which wouldn't work ended up rewriting the urls in the node http server before giving to express. (twitter.com/_/status/999726663691915264)
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[jgmac1106] okay couldn't get it working as I lose my indieauth endpoints, Really wish GitHub allowed more than one url so I wouldn't have to keep switching urls, but I am getting way closer. Need to figure out how https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com is authorizing without indieauth installed, but I do now know adding indieauth plug in breaks my micropub endpoints
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Loqi Home
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Zegnat May I recommend just not using indieauth.com for the authentication if you are having troubles connecting it to social media accounts?
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Zegnat Not sure if anyone has actually tried selfauth combined with WP. But I don’t see why that wouldn’t work.
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[miklb] WP’s Indieauth plugin can be used to auth with a micropub client directly, not using indieauth.com. There’s a bug in the plugin causing a fatal error with micropub publishing. There’s an open ticket for it. Fix just needs to be pushed.
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat but what is weird is why is https://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com is authenticating on Quill with nothing but a rel=me on GitHub yet if I try the same thing on https://jgregorymcverry.com after removing indieauth quill says my endpoints are missing
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[jgmac1106] I tried to manually add my local endpoints in my header but that just did this: {"code":"rest_no_route","message":"No route was found matching the URL and request method","data":{"status":404}}
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[jgmac1106] thx [miklb] I need to go back to my strategy of just walking away and letting smart people figure it out. I just stink at walking away. Especially now that I can build a site where it doesn't happen and can't make my other sites behave the same way with the same set up
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[jgmac1106] off to tball, atleast I can watch kids at bad at baseball as I am at debugging
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[miklb] there are a lot of moving parts right now in this workflow and while it’s frustrating at times, the work debugging and rolling with the punches is worth what the end result will be. IMVHO
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[jgmac1106] I agree, I wouldn't be doing it all the time if it wasn't best way to learn
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[jgmac1106] but an unsolved puzzle is an itch and figuring out why I can have two sites be the same but behave differently...well I have scratched the bone, have a good rest of your day all, may get back to working on the library thingy we discussed this morning
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@madebydusk ↩️ Hey @noahread what plugin do you use for webmentions in @CraftCMS 3? I can only find stuff for Craft 2 :( I suspect I'm SOA... (twitter.com/_/status/999734942132260864)
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@m_ott ↩️ Hey guys! A rewrite of my plugin (https://github.com/matthiasott/webmention) is still on my list but I did not find enough time yet… Would love to upgrade to Craft 3 myself 😅 (twitter.com/_/status/999771190972559360)
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[tantek] Who here has implemented notifications or thinking about doing so? I have a flowchart for you: https://twitter.com/mathowie/status/837735473745289218
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Loqi [tantek]: snarfed left you a message 5 hours, 29 minutes ago: interesting. looking at the logs from your recent bridgy publish github comment failures (at the bottom): "Although you appear to have the correct authorization credentials, the `whatwg` organization has enabled OAuth App access restrictions, meaning that data access to third-parties is limited. For more information on these restrictions, including how to whitelist this app, visit https://help.github.com/articles/restr
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@mathowie When Hacker News commenters say "I could build that app in a weekend!" I think of this chart of how Slack decides to send a notification. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6A7smLUsAAzJeS.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/837735473745289218)
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snarfed that truncation tho
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[tantek] Snarfed, can such an org owner whitelist apps? Or is it all or nothing? I’d like to document a simple request template and how to enable access to Bridgy Publish to share when this happens (has happened now twice this week)
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snarfed [tantek]: no clue
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[tantek] Yeah that truncati
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snarfed honestly i don't know that i'd prioritize researching it thoroughly. i'll probably surface the error but just point to that github help page
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[tantek] Right I want to research it to document on the indieweb wiki so others that encounter it can ask the org owners to whitelist Bridgy
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snarfed https://help.github.com/articles/restricting-access-to-your-organization-s-data/
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snarfed great! thanks!
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[tantek] Self-interest but leaving a trail behind that can hopefully help the next person
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