#dev 2018-05-31

2018-05-31 UTC
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tantek ooh I'm about to syndicate a public post to private mailing list
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tantek do we have examples of that?
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tantek aaronpk?
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tantek what is email
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Loqi Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport, with typical user interfaces that encourage excessively lengthy messages, in contrast to texting https://indieweb.org/email
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tantek what is an email list
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Loqi An email list is a group of email addresses used for broadcast (like announcements), deliberate collaboration (like W3C mailing lists), or any other purpose based on some form of explicit group identity https://indieweb.org/email-list
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aaronpk hm to a private list? I haven't done that before
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tantek ok!
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tantek here goes nothing
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tantek wow Gmail paste text turns linebreaks into nothing instead of spaces. that's broken
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tantek alright, syndicated
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tantek I suppose I should document this, as manual as it was
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jgmac1106 [chrisaldrich] and I apologize to dev for brinign in WordPress but…Chris could the changes you had Ian make manually to yoru MySQL database be overriding the plugins making SL disappear?
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[chrisaldrich] no that shouldn't make a difference at all... or should only have made changes to one or two small places, not sitewide.
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[chrisaldrich] those changes were to individual semantic linkback types and shouldn't affect avatar displays.
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@jgmac1106 So we aren’t the first to think about webmentions as a tool for endorsements or credentialing. Glad @GregorLove shares a link and I see my friends and heroes @iamjessklein and @toolness as once again in the thick of it. > Jess Klein (session… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3005-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002027892279250949)
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www.boffosocko.com edited /scrobble (+771) "Chris Aldrich example; moved TOC slightly" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:listens.PNG "UI example of displaying listen webmentions https://indieweb.org/File:listens.PNG"
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@vincentlistens The perils of #webmention and mixed content. #SSL #HTML (twitter.com/_/status/1002096795240009729)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @toolness @GregorLove @t @araonpk @wiobyrne @zegnat @chrisaldrich @gwg Many of us have been thinking how webmentions could create the most light weight credentialing platform out there. Here are some of my thoughts: https://jgregorymcverry.com/can-we-have-an-indieweb-webmentions-credentialing-system-openbadges/ Please come… https://jgregorymcverry.com/3007-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002115939591221249)
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jgmac1106 [swentel] when the isntall instructions for Drupal8 indieweb sayL composer require indieweb/mention-client composer require p3k/xray are those two additional modules I need to install?
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jgmac1106 I uploaded the module and am already so impressed. Especially the control you give folks assigning microformats.
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swentel jgmac1106, you need to run those commands in the root directory of your installation
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swentel with composer
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jgmac1106 thx, goes and finds his googly machine to look for videos
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swentel hehe
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jgmac1106 I don’t think I may ever go back. I forgot how much I love Drupal as a CMS
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swentel you should end up with this for instance:
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swentel swentel@swenteldoos:/home/drupal/realize.be$ ls vendor/p3k/
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swentel http micropub picofeed timezone xray
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Loqi totally
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jgmac1106 this is going to be my reader an my wesbtie wrapped in one
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jgmac1106 [swentel] why do you have to use cokpser? What happens with sftp? That is how I have been adding modules. I hope stuff I added won’t break
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jgmac1106 composer
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swentel jgmac1106, composer is a bit like npm, it manages dependencies for you
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swentel ideally, you can build a complete drupal installation just with composer
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swentel that's what I do
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jgmac1106 yeah reading the documentation now. I used installatron I didn’t have to uild and have ben uploading moduels through sftp
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jgmac1106 If I can get thought my hour hand have composer installed I will be happy
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jgmac1106 ooops: I just figured moduels go in the folder called modules: “Be careful not to use the Drupal core 'modules' folder for your new module.The 'modules' folder that resides at [d8-root]/core/modules is reserved for Drupal core modules (the ones that come with the original download of Drupal)."
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jgmac1106 sweet [swentel] I think my install came with composer built in. I already see all the files I was supposed to add
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swentel oh cool
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swentel jgmac1106, you should also see a vendor/indieweb directory
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swentel which contains the mention-client and link-rel-parser directory
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swentel (there's another requirement coming up too, but that's for the next release)
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jgmac1106 not yet but i didn’t finish installing the two external libraries
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jgmac1106 but I just dumped yoru entire indieweb module into the modules folder. I didn’t use Composer for that
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jgmac1106 got composer installed so I may delete the module and start over
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jgmac1106 well [swentel] I got far this mornign. I think I got the indieweb module and all dependant libraries installed. Published my second link but it didn’t syndicate to Twitter so that will be tommorow’s problem….and the importing of a 4 gig WordPress site. I can’t imagine that being easy
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jgmac1106 http://indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/node/2
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Loqi My Second IndieWeb Post
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swentel cool
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swentel so for syndication you need to run either cron or a drush command
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swentel you could check /admin/content/webmention/send-list
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swentel it has an 'Items in queue: x' at the top
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swentel if it has one
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swentel then that's at least ok
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swentel but for sending it, you can go to admin/config/services/indieweb/publish
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swentel and at the bottom
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swentel check for 'Sending webmention'
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swentel it should be 'cron run' or 'with drush'
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swentel cron run can be triggered from the ui at /admin/config/system/cron
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jgmac1106 cool have one in cue
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jgmac1106 I am missing the php cache file on my server but head was already ready to explode before trying to solve that
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jgmac1106 selected the cron job
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jgmac1106 but I think without the correct php cache set up I might be stuck, but pretty cool how far I got. I ened up using the libraries API module to upload the dependancies to the webmention module
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jgmac1106 seems to be working
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GWG How are the two Android Micropub clients doing?
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[jgmac1106] Indigenous is the 💣
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[jgmac1106] @swentel will syndication always be cached? Can I change it to do real or close to real time. Drupal won't work for me if conversation can't happen in real tims
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swentel [jgmac1106], I had problems doing it real time, maybe I should give it another go
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swentel [jgmac1106], I have cron command which runs every minute
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swentel so it's max 59 seconds to wait
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Planning (+77) "/* Online */ Online IWC? That’s like IWS for me! Count me in." (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] okay do I need to chnage my default cron time?
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[jgmac1106] 59 seconds is nothing
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swentel well, it's in my crontab on the server
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swentel * * * * * wget -O - -q -t 1 https://domain.com/cron/verylongstringhere
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swentel you should be able to find the link on /admin/reports/status
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[jgmac1106] cool thanks
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[jgmac1106] super excited to start the Drupal experiment, do you do any other post kinds beyond article and note? Do you hand code the mf2 into each post if you do?
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swentel so I have made content types for every post type that the drupal micropub supports
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swentel if you goto /admin/config/services/indieweb/micropub
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swentel then you see the micropub post types that are supported
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swentel and each of them are mapped to a content type
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swentel so I can post them from indigenous
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swentel for create them on the site itself
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swentel s/for/or
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[jgmac1106] Wow! you sure you are doing this all alone?
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swentel lol
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swentel yeah
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swentel on the 'manage display' pages you can configure the 'microformat' display as well
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swentel and add even more microformats per fields
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swentel especially 'bookmark-of', 'u-like-of' classes
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swentel or rsvp formatters
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[jgmac1106] it will be a long but reawarding two weeks. Goal for week one is sort the plumbing so I can play all week two
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[jgmac1106] Error: Class 'IndieWeb\MentionClient' not found in indieweb_handle_webmention_queue() (line 1062 of /home/jgregory/indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/modules/indieweb-master/indieweb.module) #0 /home/jgregory/indieweb.jgregorymcverry.com/modules/indieweb-master/indieweb.module(973): but I feel just getting to the point where I am throwing an error like this is progress
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swentel that's the composer thing
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swentel that didn't work
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swentel that class should be in /vendor/indieweb/mention-client
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[jgmac1106] Going to delete and start over. I didn't use Composer at all
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[jgmac1106] Everything probably in wrong space
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[jgmac1106] Though looking at my directory I think composer comes with Drupal 8 for me
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@thorkon What a hard Facebook decision! Can‘t believe it, because public likes and comments can‘t be a data security problem. Public is public. @schnarfed, I really think the (potential) end of Facebook backfeed affects the attractiveness of webmentions and POSSE. :-( (twitter.com/_/status/1002230399744053250)
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snarfed ^ re https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/826#issuecomment-393580119
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Loqi [snarfed] sigh. looks like it is permissions after all. another update from FB today: > Sorry for the confusion. > > This is intentional and due to the changes we announced here - https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/05/01/facebook-login-updates-fur...
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aaronpk noooo
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dgold can anyone advise: regarding atom spec, can an empty field be given as <field />, or does if have to be <field></field>?
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snarfed dgold: atom is xml, so whatever xml says
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snarfed (i think self-closing tags are fine)
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dgold good-oh
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Zegnat Isn’t <field></field> an empty string and <field /> a nil value? Maybe not, can’t actually recall. Both should be fine for atom, I think, either way.
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dgold yeah, ran the < /> through validator, it complains that titles should not be nulls, but it validates ok
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Zegnat I’d follow whatever validators say, actually, so you can always point back at those :P
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Zegnat The real question should maybe be: why are you hand-editing XML in the first place
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dgold I'm not
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dgold I'm hand-editing an XML template
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Zegnat The best XML written, is the XML output from libxml. Is my thinking. Templates for what is really a data serialization format always feel icky to me.
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Zegnat But re keeping atom feeds nice and correct, read this: https://cweiske.de/tagebuch/atom-validation.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Validating an Atom feed locally
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dgold damnation. Hugo's .Summary attribute, for $reasons, takes the first 70 words of the content unless a summary is provided in metadata or by a marker
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Zegnat Is that a problem?
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dgold it is for the use case I'm working on, Zegnat
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dgold i want to provide a title-less excerpt-link to my longer-form pieces as a feed to micro.blog
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dgold think I might go with slicestr
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], re: marking things up with u-photo. As soon as a photo property is found, post type discovery says it is a “photo” type post. And that carries some implied meaning: https://indieweb.org/photo . Think Instagram post.
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Zegnat The post you made, with the nice GIF, is first of an informing post I would say. It isn’t you posting a GIF that happens to have some text going with it.
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Zegnat And that’s the distinction.
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@ChrisAldrich Reads, Listens, Watches, and Editable Webmention Types and Avatars in the #IndieWeb #WordPress Suite #podcasting #journalism https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/31/reads-listens-watches-and-editable-webmention-types-and-avatars-in-indieweb-wordpress-suite/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002287832017207297)
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@thorkon Wenn ich’s fichtig sehe, hat #Facebook gerade #Brid.gy den Garaus gemacht. #Bridgy #Webmention #Indieweb https://developers.facebook.com/support/bugs/721093238281702/?comment_id=723967974660895 (twitter.com/_/status/1002288143951855618)
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@bradenslen ↩️ Replied to Reads, Listens, Watches, and Editable Webmention Types and Avatars in the IndieWeb WordPress Suite by Chris Aldrich _( Chris Aldrich | BoffoSocko)_ > I’ve been meaning to write regular updates to highlight some of the useful changes in the… https://ramblinggit.com/2018/05/241/ (twitter.com/_/status/1002312867989917697)
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www.boffosocko.com uploaded /File:vHWC_smiling.PNG "virtual Homebrew Website Club on 2018-05-30 https://indieweb.org/File:vHWC_smiling.PNG"