#dev 2018-06-04

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GWG I just set myself up for heartache
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[miklb] how so?
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GWG I submitted a patch to WordPress
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GWG I haven't done that in a while because no one cares
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[miklb] link?
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GWG https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/39960
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GWG I think I'll stick to making pfefferle and snarfed review my stuff. Much more open audience.
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[miklb] how would that PR benefit webmentions? Or would it?
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[miklb] if it does, I would mention that in the ticket
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GWG [miklb]: I implemented the same approach for webmentions.
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[miklb] so the PR doesn’t effect webmentions one way or another? Gotcha. Still think it’s a good idea. Just thought if it were to help with webmentions, that *might* help
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GWG [miklb]: You think they care about Webmentions?
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[miklb] I think it might get more attention, yes.
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aaronpk It's interesting that they show mentions from slack in that thread, something that could easily be done with webmentions
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jay.funabashi.co.uk created /inari (+251) "Created page with "Inari is a personal publishing application == Features == === Micropub === A micropub endpoint that: * verifies access token in header * accepts form-encoded posts == Itch..."" (view diff)
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jay.funabashi.co.uk edited /inari (+144) "/* album posts */" (view diff)
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@royscholten ↩️ @swentel It's working! Of course I had put in the wrong url for the webmention hook… (twitter.com/_/status/1003590824934957057)
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@royscholten ↩️ yep. WebmentionIO calls it Web Hook. If that terminology is reflected in the Drupal settings, that would already help. Also, making a clearer distinction between "on your site" vs. "use this on http://webmention.io". Fun to see it working though! :) (twitter.com/_/status/1003607285288132609)
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skippy https://dev.to/amaurymartiny/one-click-login-with-blockchain-a-metamask-tutorial-244o looks interesting
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aaronpk that looks like the PGP auth on indielogin.com
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skippy it's built on Etherium.
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aaronpk using the private key from your blockchain wallet instead
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aaronpk "this login process does not actually need the blockchain: It only needs its cryptography functions"
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[kevinmarks] Yes, most wallets have a "sign this" option
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ancarda [schmarty]: Can you give me the link to your granary.io atom feed? I could add that to my website as a quick win, and self-host some h-feed to atom tool at a later date
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ancarda I'd imagine it wouldn't be too hard to use X-Ray to parse each post. If I split out the page construction to a function, I can just run that for each post, parse it, and output some XML
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[schmarty] it's in the header of my site at https://martymcgui.re/
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ancarda Has anyone written a library to ingest h-entry HTML and output atom and/or RSS XML?
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[schmarty] the relevant bits are: <link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" href="https://granary.io/url?input=html&amp;output=atom&amp;url=https://martymcgui.re/posts/" title="Marty McGuire">
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ancarda Thanks
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aaronpk granary can also be used as a library IIRC
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[schmarty] granary does a "h-entry HTML in, Atom out" process very similar to what you described
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[schmarty] ooh i forgot about the library feature.
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ancarda Yeah, I was looking for some self-hosted tool
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[kevinmarks] iirc ben wrote one before
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[cleverdevil] I got my first implementation of a Lambda-based server for Overland. Thanks for the details [aaronpk] 🙂
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[cleverdevil] I'm gonna collect data for a few days before continuing work. Need some samples first 🙂
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aaronpk nice!
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[cleverdevil] For now, it just blindly stores each "location" in the array as a separate JSON file in S3.
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[cleverdevil] Plan is to generate roll-up summary files on a daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly basis.
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[cleverdevil] (Either with scheduled Lambda functions, or maybe just on-demand as they're requested).
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aaronpk omg that's gonna be a lot of files
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[kevinmarks] I hope github being bought by Microsoft doesn't mess up the indieweb login using it
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aaronpk the github oauth api?
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aaronpk doubtful they'll mess with that
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[kevinmarks] If they switch to Microsoft login
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[cleverdevil] [aaronpk] yeah, it'll be a ton of files, which is why I plan on doing the rollups 🙂
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[cleverdevil] But, I can also use AWS Athena to query the files in S3 using SQL.
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[cleverdevil] Which is pretty cool 🙂
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aaronpk fun
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@thorkon Tja. Das war‘s dann wohl mit http://Brid.gy und #Facebook. Traurig. Wenn #webmentions weitere Verbreitung finden sollen - wünschenswert - wäre gerade die Brücke zu Facebook wichtig. https://brid.gy/about#facebook-publish (twitter.com/_/status/1003694605311856640)
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tantek good day #indieweb-dev folks
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jalcine o/
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tantek is anyone else besides aaronpk, chrisaldrich, and me posting GitHub issues, comments, reactions on their own site first, and then POSSEing them to GitHub?
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tantek e.g. https://indieweb.org/issue#IndieWeb_Examples
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tantek and if not, what would it take to get you to start doing it and "owning your issues"
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tantek ?
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tantek Happy to help with any questions since I think I've implemented it most recently
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[cleverdevil] I've dabbled.
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tantek also if you already use WordPress I believe the plugins make this A LOT easier
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aaronpk having github threads come in via monocle has helped me do it more too
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[cleverdevil] I sort of slowed down because I am not sure how much I care about owning my issues 🙂
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jalcine 🤔 this would require some re-writing of how my site works
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tantek [cleverdevil]: do you have links to issues / comments you've posted on your site?
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[cleverdevil] I think so.
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[cleverdevil] Let me look.
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tantek can you add yourself to https://indieweb.org/issue#IndieWeb_Examples with those links?
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tantek thanks!
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tantek jalcine: it took a little bit of tweaking to my site too beyond just adding a new post type
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tantek e.g. I had to add the ability to NOT POSSE to Twitter, since I decided GitHub issues/comments made very little sense on Twitter outside the context of the repo/thread that they were on
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jalcine yeah - this would be a bit more trickier since my site's completely static
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jalcine that's becoming more and more of a burden the more I want to add content to it (outside of Note posts)
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tantek jalcine: do you show comments on any existing posts?
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tantek showing comments / responses on an /issue post is not much (if any?) different
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jalcine currently, yeah: classic (via isso) and replies
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tantek and FWIW, at least just start with owning your issue / comments
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jalcine and then POSSEing
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tantek I'm not showing comments / responses yet either
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tantek I'm collecting them via webmention.io, and I still have to write the code to filter / display them
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jalcine definitely going to tinker with this
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jalcine I'm planning to do a phoenix rebuilding of my site anyhow
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tantek.com edited /issue (+2013) "Brainstorming, complete issue POSSE + backfeed, complete reply POSSE + backfeed, Complete Federated Webmention solution" (view diff)
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tantek [cleverdevil]: as you're taking a look, I'm curious how close your setup gets to achieving https://indieweb.org/issue#Complete_POSSE_backfeed_solution
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[jgmac1106] I wanted to learn for WordPress didn't realize it was already possible. Link to plug in?
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sknebel no special plugin, post kinds + bridgy. I believe chrisaldrich wrote an article about it
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chrisaldrich jgmac1106, you're talking about for Issues?
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chrisaldrich If so, then this: http://boffosocko.com/2018/03/03/enabling-two-way-communication-with-wordpress-and-github-for-issues/
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chrisaldrich Though it reminds me that I haven't been getting the webmentions back recently, I'll have to see if I changed/broke something.
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tantek.com edited /issue (+435) "start stubbing bits of How to, including link to How to with WordPress" (view diff)
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tantek thanks for the reminder of that post chrisaldrich, it wasn't on the /issue page AFAIK so I added this stub to start: https://indieweb.org/issue#How_to_with_WordPress
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:indieauth-autofill.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:indieauth-autofill.jpg"
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aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth (+377) (view diff)
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aaronpk what the heck, I just got the weirdest email from twitter
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aaronpk "Your Twitter account (or accounts associated with you) currently has multiple registered applications, in potential violation of Twitter's rules on the use of multiple API keys for a single use case."
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aaronpk snarfed: did you get one of those? I know there are a ton of bridgy apps
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sknebel kind of funny that /issue only acknowledges Github as a place where issues can be. no bugzilla, no Gitlab, ...
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sknebel aaronpk: do they say which apps they mean?
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aaronpk nope
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aaronpk "If these applications do not serve distinct use cases, please log into your existing account on https://apps.twitter.com/ and delete any applications which are in violation of our rules. "
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sknebel ugh
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aaronpk probably part of their bot cleanup effort
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snarfed aaronpk: huh. i did not get that email. and afaik there are only two bridgy apps, prod and local
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aaronpk orly
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snarfed are there more i don't know of?
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-06-04-11-46-44-G7MhaqNrIb.jpg
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sknebel that's different
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snarfed yeah i expect those are tokens, not apps
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sknebel that's multiple logins from the same app
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aaronpk I don't think that screen works that way
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aaronpk for example i've logged in to the IndieAuth twitter app a bunch of times but it only shows one instance
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swentel I only see one bridgy app on my applications screen
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snarfed twitter has some odd nonstandard oauth login settings
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snarfed non-scope read vs write, xauth, etc
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snarfed could be their fault
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aaronpk weird
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snarfed but yeah i only have one (prod) bridgy twitter app
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snarfed s/i only have/there is only/
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aaronpk weird. bridgy is the only app this is happening with.
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snarfed heh sorry. feel free to revoke them all!
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snarfed definitely odd, i only have one myself
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sknebel I've seen htat before too, but right now it's not like that
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aaronpk whoa, safari is launching some updates to block trackers in "like" and "comment" boxes
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aaronpk wow and some big changes to prevent browser fingerprintings
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KartikPrabhu I have three Bridgy things on that screen too
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[cleverdevil] So awesome.
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[cleverdevil] (Though, I use Firefox sometimes too).
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[cleverdevil] This is one of the primary reasons I use Safari rather than Chrome.
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gRegorLove I've got multiple Bridgy on my apps page too
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gRegorLove I think several years ago I was clicking the Twitter button on the homepage each time I came back instead of going directly to my profile
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gRegorLove The approved dates for these are 2014-2016 so that would fit
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I am thinking something like this: https://jgregorymcverry.com/can-we-have-an-indieweb-webmentions-credentialing-system-openbadges/ We don’t need to reinvent the wheel or add complex systems to remediate assessment. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/3184-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/1003721978237333506)
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[grantcodes] Firefox it pretty hardcore about what it blocks if you switch on tracking protection, took me a while to realise it wouldn't even load twitter avatars! I thought there was an issue on my site 😛
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[eddie] Super excited, Apple gave a pre-announcement that iOS apps will be able to be converted into mac apps in 2019! So, Indigenous for macOS will definitely be a thing. For the rest of this year I need to get it functioning on the iPhone, and then improve iPad support, which will pave the way to transition it to macOS in 2019
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snarfed [eddie]++
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aaronpk that's awesome
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tantek I'm definitely curious what these means for "native" MacOS apps then
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tantek what *this means
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[eddie] They can continue to exist, they didn't announce any kind of depreciation of the existing frameworks (at least for now), but they essentially created UIKit on the mac
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[eddie] and they are testing it with 4 new apple apps coming to macOS (Stocks, News, Voice Memos and Home)
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[eddie] Where Apple literally built iPad apps and then transitioned them to the mac as well
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[eddie] so you have two potential frameworks you can use on the mac for now
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tantek aaronpk++ for replying to a comment about federated authentication using a federated comment! https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/04/6/gitea-indieauth
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] What we really need is federated authentication, but that doesn't exist yet. This sounds like a great use case for IndieAuth. w3.org/TR/indieauth IndieAuth is an OAuth 2.0 extension, which avoids the centralized problems with existing OAuth soluti...
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aaronpk :D
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tantek this is an excellent example of attempting dogfooding: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029
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Loqi [lunny] #1029 Gitea hosted Gitea
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tantek what is dogfooding
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Loqi dogfood in the context of the indieweb, refers to the software practice of "eating your own dog food" but in particular with using your own creations on your own personal site that you depend on, day to day https://indieweb.org/dogfooding
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tantek dogfood << Example: Gitea work in progress: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029
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Loqi ok, I added "Example: Gitea work in progress: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029" to a new "See Also" section of /dogfood https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=48294&oldid=15363
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Loqi [lunny] #1029 Gitea hosted Gitea
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loqi.me edited /dogfood (+98) "tantek added "Example: Gitea work in progress: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek interesting, do we have any examples of a reacji to an indieweb post that itself is a reply that is POSSEd to GitHub?
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tantek well I just tried, and I think I got a Bridgy publish error, double-checking
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snarfed bridgy definitely handles that kind of indirect in-reply-to synd link lookup in general
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tantek snarfed, oh? so I don't need to include the synd link myself?
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tantek looks like perhaps another permissions problem? https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1528150061&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyRQsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiHmh0dHA6Ly90YW50ZWsuY29tLzIwMTgvMTU1L3QxLwwLEgdQdWJsaXNoGICAgICAgIAKDA
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snarfed if you have in-reply-to an indieweb post, and it has the synd link to a silo post, bridgy will infer that it's (also) in-reply-to that silo post
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snarfed yeah, same org permissions error. i added a nice error message for comments, since they get a 403 with useful error from github
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snarfed reactions get a 404 that's identical to when the issue doesn't exist :(
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tantek snarfed, however I still have to include the link to bridgy to cause it to try right? so my site still needs to do the work of finding out if there is a silo synd link, to know whether to bother with providing a github link for that silo
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tantek so at that point I might as well make it a multi-reply with the silo synd link as an additional explicit in-reply-to
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snarfed right
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snarfed eh some people have said it's useful and convenient
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snarfed if it's not in your workflow, np
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tantek snarfed, I tried getting someone to enable bridgy as an app and they couldn't figure out how to to id
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tantek how to *do *it
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snarfed huh, that github doc had step by step instructions with screenshots
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tantek snarfed, definitely sounds useful
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tantek it did?
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snarfed iirc yes
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tantek maybe I was looking at different docs (does not recall screenshots)
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tantek aaronpk did you manually POSSE https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/3837#issuecomment-394359165 ?
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Loqi [aaronpk] > What we really need is federated authentication, but that doesn't exist yet. This sounds like a great use case for IndieAuth. https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/ IndieAuth is an OAuth 2.0 extension, which avoids the centralized problems with ex...
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tantek I tried to POSSE a reacji to that via Bridgy Publish and got a 404
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tantek (should be a 403 instead but that' s a separate github api bug)
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aaronpk No, I use silo.pub
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tantek curious
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tantek why is silo.pub able to post a comment without error, and yet bridgy cannot post a reacji
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tantek to the same issue
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snarfed great q
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snarfed although comment vs comment would maybe be a more useful test
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tantek sure
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tantek I'll try to think of something clever to say
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tantek.com edited /GitHub (+398) "/* Aaron Parecki */ now using silo.pub (since when?), need permalinks for when started using silo.pub" (view diff)
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snarfed btw tantek do you log your bridgy publish webmention responses? (you don't use it interactively right?)
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snarfed that's where the nice github permission error msg will be
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tantek snarfed, I need to double check my code, I might be accidentally dropping them
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snarfed not important
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tantek but the code is setup to propagate them back to my Falcon posting / POSSEing UI
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tantek aaronpk, when did you start using silo.pub to POSSE to GitHub? can you add date and permalinks accordingly? https://indieweb.org/GitHub#Aaron_Parecki
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tantek.com edited /GitHub (+540) "/* Tantek */ add more different types of posts, and permalinked dates" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Gitea (+301) "update dfn for how it's actually useful rather than history, stub features, stub history with old dfn info, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Gitea (+307) "start a stub section on IndieWeb Building Blocks" (view diff)
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sknebel figuring out that one of the rel-me's is a gitea instance (or any other thing that's not a central silo) is an interesting problem. I guess with caching (so you don't have to do it each time a user uses indielogin) it'd be not too much overhead to fetch each linked page and run checks identifying what's running there
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tantek sknebel, to be more precise, start with detecting try.gitea.io just like detecting github.com
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tantek I just expanded the https://indieweb.org/Gitea article a bunch, additional contributions welcome!
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aaronpk Still wouldn't matter
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tantek.com edited /dogfood (+109) "move gitea example to a new Site Examples section" (view diff)
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aaronpk because normal OAuth requires registering a client with the instance
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sknebel true, and the current password auth is maybe not something to implement
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tantek sknebel: I don't understand - all the indielogin silo providers have password auth
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sknebel between user and silo, with OAuth between indielogin and silo. If I saw correctly Gitea doesn't have Oauth yet for applications, so it'd have to use the API with the users username and password
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sknebel but aaronpk is of course right, for normal OAuth it doesn't work either, at least not without a site admin adding indielogin
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GWG Lots going on.
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sknebel (although I believe e.g. Mastodon has some kind of self-registration API for OAuth clients)
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tantek.com edited /Gitea (+424) "note dogfooding in progress and current repo at GitHub" (view diff)
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aaronpk Oh yeah they don't even have an OAuth server yet thats why they were interested in IndieAuth in the first place
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tantek ohhhh
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tantek hah! aaronpk you finally re-implemented this since it was taking me too long to blog about it: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/03/4/url-form-field
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Improving the HTML type="url" Field
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tantek also I think your code is smaller and cleaner than what I wrote
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aaronpk It's bigger than the first one cause I also wanted to catch the enter key
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aaronpk first version I wrote*
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tantek.com edited /Gitea (+208) "/* IndieWeb Building Blocks */ IndieAuth for Gitea as solution to UX for OAuth2 login" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+60) "ways people might be asking for IndieAuth without actually saying it like OAuth2 login OAuth-based login etc., update dfn, naming a bit" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk should https://indieauth.net/ now link to indielogin.com instead of indieauth.com as a "Public IndieAuth Provider" ?
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aaronpk nope
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aaronpk indielogin.com consumes indieauth, but is not a provider
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tantek ohhh
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tantek ok so this update is correct then, the Note: at the top of https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth - to say indielogin.com instead of indiauth.com
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aaronpk it's half right
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aaronpk the other half will be renamed to myindieauth.com
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tantek.com edited /Gitea (+2) "actually, giteaio" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /IndieAuth (+293) "uses DNS as a replacement for client registration" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk review?
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tantek this in particular: If you’re familiar with writing an OAuth client, then you're familiar with the problem of having to register your client manually with each OAuth provider. IndieAuth uses DNS as a replacement for client registration, thereby eliminating the need for any manual registration with providers.
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk tantek++
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tantek !tell aaronpk,chrisaldrich,gRegorLove,jalcine,schmarty What do (features on your website) do you want to finish / launch / start using *before* IWS? Can you add to your entry in https://indieweb.org/2018/Guest_Book ? See mine for example: "Working: for IWS 2018(link)"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk good idea
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tantek !tell ancarda re: what to work on after you get indiewebify.me stuff working, check out https://indieweb.org/IndieMark for step by step new things to add support for to your site, in incremental increasing order of challenge / functionality
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next