#dev 2018-06-08

2018-06-08 UTC
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[schmarty] hoho, oops, i need a threshold in my site publisher that catches things like "the template changed and all posts seem to be updated". my site just resent mentions for every page, in addition to pinging my websub hub for every page that is a list of posts (e.g. the main posts page but also every tag)
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@christydena @pfefferle Hello Matthias! Query: my web mentions were working for my last post on April 27, but now not. I’ve deactivated Wordfence but not change. Any ideas? Plugins: Bridgy, IndieWeb, Post Kinds, Semantic-Linkbacks, Series, Simple Location, uf2, Webmention, WP Related posts :) (twitter.com/_/status/1004903721686319104)
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aaronpk I noticed [schmarty]
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aaronpk I saw all your old webmentions in monocle because they hadn't been seen by it yet! normally it dedupes those but you sent them for a lot of oooold posts from before monocle was around!
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@wikipediachain ↩️ Moldova > Eastern European Summer Time > Eastern European Time > Central Africa Time > West Africa Time > Standardization > W3C > Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1004921715586191360)
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@wikipediachain ↩️ Webmention > Refback > AtomPub > Broadcasting > Vint Cerf > Smartphone > Hewlett-Packard > Thomas Perkins (businessman) > Brisbane Broncos (twitter.com/_/status/1004929262728736768)
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tantek wat
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gRegorLove Hah "Reading Wikipedia articles and randomly clicking links to other articles. Where can I land? Not affiliated with Wikipedia, bother @richardg867 instead."
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petermolnar should TLS 1.0 be dropped by now?
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sknebel it has been widely removed in the last few months
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sknebel not PCI-DSS compliant anymore, github removed it, I believe Debian unstable removed support from it from it's OpenSSL
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petermolnar ssllabs also lists some of my ciphers as weak, despite: ssl_ciphers ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:AES128-GCM-SHA256:AES128-SHA:HIGH:!ADH:!EXP:!LOW:!RC2:!3DES:!SEED:!MD5:!aNULL:!EDH:!CAMELLIA:!MEDIUM:!RC4:!eNULL;
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petermolnar does that mean HIGH is not HIGH any more?
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petermolnar debian stable, that is
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dgold is there a schmarty in the house?
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schmarty dgold: sort of!
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dgold :)
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dgold marty, still loving morris, but I has questions
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sknebel petermolnar: quite possible. of course, I think for private sites it often makes sense to put compatibility over max security, so I'd have to look up what clientsexactly you're loosing when you turn it off
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schmarty I will do my best to answer!
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petermolnar I'm actually tempted to put ssl back - the whole https run just starting to feel like a swamp, constantly deprecating backwards compatibility
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dgold its probably a feature of the fact that I'm not cs-trained, but
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petermolnar I'm not certain I can though, given openssl is lacking those, so not really an option
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dgold how is the stored webmention created by the Webmention($post);
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petermolnar ugh - removing TLS1 breaks android 4
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petermolnar so I either put ordinary http back or keep tls 1
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schmarty dgold: Hmm. I am road tripping at the moment so I can’t easily pull up the code. Is there a specific bit of the code that is confusing?
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dgold ah, its okay marty - enjoy your trip
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dgold I'll figure it out
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sknebel petermolnar: then keep 1.
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schmarty From my memory, it generates a file name by combining the source and target URLs in a string and taking the hash of that string, then writes the JSON payload from wmio there.
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dgold yeah, I've gotten that far - I've just in the last minute worked out what your $ws and $wi are
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dgold seriously, I've "got" this, enjoy your road tripping
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schmarty Oh okay. Bad variable naming on my party
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dgold is that when you ingest tarmac in the hopes of having hallucinatory experiences?
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schmarty The “storage” bit handles saving the actual mention data. The index makes the mentions actually findable by mapping the target path to a list of “ids”, which are those file names that the storage generated.
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dgold yes, I see that now.
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schmarty Thanks for being a Morris user! I will try to document it better!
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dgold what I need to do is to change the WebmentionStore class' add_mention() function to add a check that $mention->data->published_date is set
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www.boffosocko.com edited /site-deaths (+394) "Yahoo Messenger shutting down on 2018-07-17 with data export available" (view diff)
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dgold PR sent to you schmarty, if that's okay
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snarfed schmarty: have you been resending all of your historical outgoing webmentions? got a few old ones from you recently
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snarfed totally ok, just curious
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schmarty dgold: thanks! Will look when I get a chance!
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schmarty snarfed: yes, I goofed and triggered my webmention sender to send for ALL THE POSTS. :/
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snarfed hah
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snarfed idempotence ftw
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schmarty That’s my hope. Though micro.blog seems to see them as new mentions.
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tantek has anyone tried using fed.brid.gy to comment (via Webmention) on an ActivityPub supporting site *other than* Mastodon? E.g. peertube (via nightpool in # social on w3c irc)
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tantek here's a topical link :) https://peertube.mastodon.host/videos/watch/969ea381-4800-4718-b085-8c6ab1c518bb
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snarfed tantek: yes, friendica. status with other projects: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/#compatibility
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tantek I thought friendica bridging was via OStatus
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tantek (yes, Salmon is part of OStatus)
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tantek hoping to find and interact with an ActivityPub implementation that *does not* require WebFinger
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swentel only tried mastadon too
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swentel but only like or repost worked
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snarfed ah, yes, friendica is ostatus
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www.boffosocko.com edited /bookmark (+517) "Twitter's bookmark features and example description of use of retweet as a bookmark" (view diff)
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[schmarty] [dgold]: sent a PR to your PR (PR-ception) to make whitespace match up. apparently my default for php is unexpanded tabs, which i would like to fix but will do in a separate pass.
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dgold [schmarty]: lol!
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dgold I'd been wondering why php was complaining at me about whitespace
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dgold you have an unexpanded tab, followed by spaces
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dgold that's... interesting :)
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schmarty Probably some default in vim on my server, as I was hacking this together live rather than a local dev environment 😳
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schmarty Also left some discussion there, if you want to chime in. I am in favor of merging this but want to leave an artifact about the rationale.
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schmarty E.g. “preserving authorial intent is okay but letting people write simpler Hugo templates is better”
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vanderven.se martijn edited /Safari_Extensions (+849) "Safari Extensions will be replaced with Safari App Extensions, deprecating things like HTML for AppKit. Because… Apps?" (view diff)
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Zegnat I am going to call that the final nail in Safari’s extendibility coffin. At least as far as web developers are concerned.
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aaronpk whoa weird
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Zegnat Just like the previous change where you had to start paying to develop extensions, this change gets extremely little press coverage.
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Zegnat Which I guess goes to show how little of a market exists for Safari Extensions
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[grantcodes] Inspired by [cleverdevil] I started fixing up my location history map 😄
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[cleverdevil] \o/
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ancarda Wtf, Apple. I thought Safari extensions were getting better because they dropped the existing Apple Developer costs? Isn’t it like, $5 now?
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ancarda Perhaps extensions might be better if they are written in Swift and such, but so many won’t get rewritten
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ancarda Couldn’t they just advertise them heavily, and really promote it, but still support HTML 5 extensions?
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[kevinmarks] @ancarda http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010/06/steve-jobs-and-curates-egg.html
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Zegnat I feel like Apple should have just joined the WebExtensions standard.
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Zegnat But I am guessing they wanted to switch to the Content Blocker Apps model that has been working for them on mobile?
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ancarda Yeah, perhaps they want Safari to be the same as Mobile Safari, especially in extensions
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ancarda [kevinmarks]: I’m not sure I understand that article. The argument is curation is bad, and open systems like HTML 5 are good?
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[grantcodes] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FB4K1HF9T/image.png?pub_secret=2f5b9568d7&name=image.png
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[grantcodes] I have a lot of missing data and false locations but can more of less see where I have been 🙂
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aaronparecki.com edited /How_is_IndieAuth_different_from_OpenID_Connect (+24) (view diff)
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Zegnat aaronpk, for IndieAuth stuff, I am going to update my copy-paste-guide at https://gist.github.com/Zegnat/a2ff8835a6bfc59e076ec7779cf01dc7 . It lets me setup a completely selfcontained/offline environment to demo Micropub clients like Omnibear in within minutes, thanks to all the small separated tools!
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@calum_ryan ↩️ It's a pre-JAMStack term setup, using a somewhat unconventional mix of a Jekyll build I setup originally for my blog and layered on top of that is a LAMP setup for the content I syndicate out to Twitter using http://Brid.gy along with support for Webmentions and Micropub (twitter.com/_/status/1005185475257274368)
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[kevinmarks] Setting up yourself as gatekeeper is bad. Many parallel curators is good.
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: what is that in response to?
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[kevinmarks] The @ancarda conversation about Apple
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aaronpk Aha
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ancarda Right that makes sense, thanks
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KartikPrabhu [kevinmarks]: speaking of which can I has more rights to curate the mf2py repo ;)
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KartikPrabhu mostly closing and tagging issues
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[kevinmarks] Done I think
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KartikPrabhu yup
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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gregorlove.com created /indiebookclub (+286) "stub" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /indiebookclub.biz (+27) "r" (view diff)
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www.boffosocko.com created /incredible_journey (+2112) "prompted by [chrisaldrich]" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Looking great, [grantcodes]
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[grantcodes] Cheers
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[grantcodes] Although I did realize I managed to reverse a lot of longitudes and latitudes in my database! Ha
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[cleverdevil] Heh, fun.
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[grantcodes] Luckily I've never been south of the equator, so that fixes most of them
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[grantcodes] There may still be a few out of place even after that though 😛
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gregorlove.com edited /indiebookclub (+367) "issues" (view diff)
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[grantcodes] grant.codes road trip https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FB3S931J4/image.png?pub_secret=24497252b7&name=image.png