#dev 2018-06-29

2018-06-29 UTC
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[jgmac1106] !tell [schmarty] trying to add a p-content input box to Kapowski here wondering how close I got: https://glitch.com/edit/#!/join/5a772f8e-ff47-4c78-803d-0b096571f93f
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@rubygems jekyll-webmention_io (2.9.3): This Gem includes a suite of tools for managing webmentions in Jekyll: * Tags *… https://rubygems.org/gems/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/1012493330612150273)
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schmarty Woah neat
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schmarty jgmac1106 I will have to check this later. Have you tried using your version to post to your site?
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schmarty jgmac1106: you'll need to get a glitch.com api key (it's free) and fill in the secrets in the 🗝.env file
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[jgmac1106] okay that was what was missing, not yet. it can sit for awhile but wanted to do <"p-content">At IndieWebSummit you learn best when scratching your own itch because there is such a great community to get the hard to reach places</p>
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[jgmac1106] it can wait. webring all that matters
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@jgmac1106 Working on my Theory of Change for the IES grant that will use an education version of the MicroSub readers I saw at #IndieWebSummit Also on: https://is.gd/XcjwJe (twitter.com/_/status/1012553714371125248)
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[eddie] Hmm so I saw talk of “multiple Microsub servers” earlier today/yesterday. Which leads to a question. Right now, Indigenous for iOS supports multiple users. Each user is a single Micropub endpoint and Microsub endpoint. I am wondering if that is the right mindset, or if in reality Indigenous for iOS should support a single Microsub endpoint with multiple Micropub endpoints.
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[eddie] So right now Indigenous for iOS actually supports multiple Microsub servers, but you have to have a separate IndieAuth login for each one. However I’m not sure that really that helpful. I think it’s more likely that people will have a single Microsub Server with multiple Micropub endpoints
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GWG [eddie]: What use case are you trying to support?
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GWG I was commenting on something I was contemplating, but am nowhere near doing...the idea that snarfed might build something cool, and I might want to use that and my own thing simultaneously.
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[eddie] Well originally I built a multi-user model for Micropub
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GWG To connect to multiple sites?
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[eddie] Yep
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[eddie] When Microsub came out I just added it to the same user model
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[eddie] But now I’m wondering if it is likely that someone would have Microsub/Micropub pairs of more likely to have one Microsub with multiple Micropubs that they might want to post to while reading the Microsub feed
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[eddie] The last one seems like the most likely
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[eddie] Although the former one is very nice for logging in to test sites for me!
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[eddie] Haha
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GWG That's how I use it on the Android version
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aaronpk I have added a few Micropub endpoints as alternate destinations already
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[eddie] That’s from the same primary endpoint though, right?
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aaronpk so I can post to my other sites from Monocle, but my site is responsible for dealing with that so that it can work in every reader
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[eddie] Using no-destination?
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[eddie] Mp*
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aaronpk cause I don't want to have to configure every reader with that
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[eddie] That makes sense. That seems like the most likely scenario.
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GWG probably should be stopped from writing a Microsub system.
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pstuifzand GWG, re: microsub, it's the feed fetching and parsing (and perhaps storage) that's the hardest
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GWG I have fetching and parsing down. Storage is problematic.
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pstuifzand also converting serveral types of feeds to JF2. In my server JSONfeed to JF2 was the easiest.
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pstuifzand A command line client was also pretty easy, and works with Aperture and Ekster, It's quite nice to do some simple testing with it
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GWG I think I could do it, just it would be a big project and I have others
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pstuifzand I have been thinking about writing a series of step by step articles to write a Microsub server in such a way that you get a little bit at a time.
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pstuifzand perhaps creating the HTTP API interface, and then filling in different parts of the backend
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pstuifzand The first version of Ekster that worked with Together, had what was called the nullbackend, which did nothing and returned valid empty results.
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pstuifzand Which was very cool (I thought) the building something just from the spec and seeing it working with an app someone else wrote.
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aaronpk Neat
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aaronpk id love to see a tutorial like that
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aaronpk GWG: you shouldn't feel obligated to write a microsub plugin! It's better for everyone if that work is spread around!
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gregorlove.com moved /IRC_People to /chat-names "decided to rename at /2018/Leaders"
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aaronpk [eddie] Discord opens links in an in app browser and I can confirm again that it's annoying
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GWG !tell aaronpk I don't feel obligated. I am currently annoyed with my reader and want to switch.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat https << https://httpsiseasy.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://httpsiseasy.com/" to the "See Also" section of /HTTPS https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49396&oldid=46701
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cweiske shouldn't that be "httpswithcloudflareiseasy.com"?
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sknebel yeah. pretty annoyed how far that got spread
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Zegnat You are right, but it might still be an interesting primer for people and help offload the admin-tax (in as far as that still exists)
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Zegnat Troy also CC licensed all the videos, so pretty good example of sharing documentation with the community. (The documenting principle was something discussed in the last few days in #PDX)
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skippy pstuifzand: the iterative building is how I built my PHP micropub server. Started simple, added bits over time. The git commit history should reveal some of the process.
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skippy also, good morning indieweb.
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Zegnat Argh, lazy loading images messing things up again: https://wiki.zegnat.net/cache/22d3cd3f850c780c9116ecbda12c950e.png
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schmarty eddie / aaronpk: in talking about webcomics at the micro.blog meetup Tuesday it came up that an in-app browser is the best experience for some feeds, like webcomics
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KartikPrabhu hates in-app browsers. Just use my default please :P
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schmarty the recent indigenous change to an mf2-derived preview with an open-in-safari button makes it 3x as many clicks to get from seeing a feed item to reading the comic
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Zegnat hates having to go to comic sites. Just put the image in the feed for my reader to render please :P
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schmarty I would also be fine opening items in the default browser without the preview step
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Zegnat Most of the webcomics I read do 1 static image per post. If they would make that the u-photo, that could make a reader present it in full allready. What exactly is the usecase for leaving my reader to go read a comic?
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skippy ads
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Zegnat (More analytics and more eye balls on advertising is a valid use-case, of course, but that wont change my opinion.)
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Zegnat I also do not like websites that offer partial feeds, rather than full-content feeds, because I use the reader to read the content in an environment that works best for me.
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Zegnat !tell GWG Before I forget again, I use Backitude for GPS tracking on Android. I like the app OK. Though I am not doing anything with the data it collects right now.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Zegnat, got link?
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Loqi GWG: Zegnat left you a message 1 hour, 31 minutes ago: Before I forget again, I use Backitude for GPS tracking on Android. I like the app OK. Though I am not doing anything with the data it collects right now.
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Zegnat What is Backitude?
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Loqi Backitude is a GPS tracker for Android that is compatible with many versions of Android and allows for very granular tweaking of its polling https://indieweb.org/Backitude
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Zegnat Darn, that Google Play Store link doesn’t seem to work anymore
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GWG That's why I asked
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GWG It didn't come up
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GWG I am busy being annoyed at my ttrss instance and wondering if Aperture is the answer
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Zegnat I see petermolnar also mentioned https://github.com/mendhak/gpslogger/ in chat before. That might be another option
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GWG I know about that one
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[eddie] schmarty: interesting use case. What does appear in the feed of a webcomic? I’m hoping to be able to detect posts that seem to be partial posts and have a button that allows you to pull in the page either parsed through something like the Mercury API (like what IndiePaper is doing), or open the in-app browser in-line
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[eddie] Too many settings can be the root of all evil. But I also wonder if it’s a “per feed” thing, that it might make sense to be able to set a per-channel setting on if you want a post opened in “full view” or in an in-app browser
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[eddie] 🤔
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Zegnat You could also imagine the microsub server solving this. E.g. by visiting the permalinks of every post and getting the content from there rather than from the feed (when possible). That turns every feed into a full-content feed.
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[eddie] Yeah that would be pretty good. I would be hesitant as a Microsub reader to rely on that too heavily because while Aperture might support that. Others may not
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[eddie] Although if that did become standard of Microsub Server that would be amazing lol
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snarfed yeah that's a pretty standard feature in modern feed readers
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[eddie] This is very strange. I wonder if something is going on with my DNS. Internet seems to be working fine but I can’t access micro.blog or aaronparecki.com
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[kim_landwehr] [eddie] I think I was having the same problem. My internet seemed to be fine, but I couldn’t get to websites. It seems to be fix now though.
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[eddie] Good to know [kim_landwehr]! Mine seems to be back as well
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[grantcodes] Zegnat: Feedbin does this. By default it loads whatever is in the rss feed. But it somehow figures out if it is truncated and shows a button that says "load all" (or something similar) and you click it and it attempts to crawl the page at that point
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Zegnat I use Feedbin, but apparently never noticed the feature...
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Zegnat I read mostly through Reeder though
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bear https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/06/29/linux-distro-hacked-on-github-all-code-considered-compromised/
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dgold doesn't gentoo primarily use its _own_ git repos, mirroring to gh for code contribution purposes only?
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dgold I mean - even if the Microsoft-pwned code is vulnerable, that shouldn't cause any calamity for the distro
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KartikPrabhu dgold: that is mentioned in the article
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Zegnat Interesting, you'd think the commits on the GitHub mirror are signed in the same way as on the canonical git.
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dgold has anyone run ekster?
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dgold go things are awesome, but configuring them can be... problematical
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Zegnat Probably only pstuifzand himself
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Zegnat I just recalled a conversation about him importing OPML into Aperture using the CLI tool So I went looking :)
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Zegnat The good thing about the wiki is that you can sometimes pick up on the things you only have vague recollections of
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dgold my server that has my microsub on is _still_ down
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dgold since Tuesday
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