#dev 2018-07-02

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GWG Okay. Just built refbacks.
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GWG That was interesting.
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tantek__ I'm afraid to ask
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GWG tantek, ask what?
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tantek__ what is
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GWG I found it in the wiki
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GWG What is refbacks?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "refbacks" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "refbacks is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG What is refback?
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Loqi Refback is a linkback method that works using the standard HTTP Referer header https://indieweb.org/refback
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GWG refbacks is refback
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /refbacks (+47) "prompted by GWG and dfn added by GWG" (view diff)
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GWG Interesting way to make analytics
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tantek__ GWG, I'm curious if you see more relevant links that way
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GWG tantek__: Me too
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GWG I just took the webmention code and changed the source
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GWG I could probably make it better, but will anyone want it?
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aaronparecki.com edited /ActivityPub (+987) "how to translate activitypub inbox notifications to webmention" (view diff)
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tantek__ the other place this could make sense is webmention.io
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GWG How so?
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aaronpk refbacks?
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aaronpk I guess you could implement that in JS
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GWG I may just post what I just hacked up in a repo and see what happens.
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aaronpk on every pageload, make a POST request to webmention.io with the current page and the page's referer
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aaronpk 😂
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aaronpk plz dont
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tantek.com edited /ActivityPub (+7) "TOC" (view diff)
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GWG aaronpk: Please don't make refbacks a thing?
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aaronpk plz don't do the JS thing I just described
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GWG aaronpk: Or please don't post a WordPress plugin to Github.
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GWG aaronpk: I wasn't. I implemented it as a WordPress plugin
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tantek__ GWG maybe see if it gives you any useful results first?
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tantek__ I'd be annoyed if I installed a plugin and it didn't seem to do anything
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GWG I have to upload it to my own site
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tantek__ !tell snarfed WDYT of https://indieweb.org/ActivityPub#ActivityPub_Notifications_to_Webmention - worth filing as a feature request for Bridgy listen?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I usually give things to chrisaldrich and let him run with it
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tantek__ interesting, just encountered an actual real-world use-case of a plain "untag-of" post, to remove the label/tag "css-paint-api-1" from https://github.com/w3c/css-houdini-drafts/issues/763
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Loqi [zheeeng] #763 [css-paint-api] Allow inputArguments define optional arguments
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tantek__ just did it manually to capture it as a use-case: https://github.com/w3c/css-houdini-drafts/issues/763#event-1710566168
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tantek__ oh that's interesting - hadn't noticed the n#event-m pattern before in those frag permalinks
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tantek__ what is untag
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Loqi untag is sending an edit request to delete one or more tags (often person-tags) on someones post, where those (person-)tags possibly originated from someone else's tag-of reply post https://indieweb.org/untag
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tantek__ I really do need to figure out how to prototype both tag-of and untag-of posts to try to make some forward progress on this
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tantek__ it's one the remaining ways I still have to use GitHub web UI on issues
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tantek__ s/one/two of
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tantek.com edited /untag (+330) "split use-cases between plain text untag and untag person tag, add link to GitHub untag example" (view diff)
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tantek__ ooh another benefit of Bridgy switching from GH API v4 to v3! https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/811#issuecomment-382472862
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Loqi [snarfed] thanks! agreed. add/remove label [aren't in the v4 GraphQL API](https://developer.github.com/v4/mutation/) afaict, but [are in the v3 REST API](https://developer.github.com/v3/issues/#edit-an-issue).
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schmarty tootmention++
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Loqi tootmention has 1 karma
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schmarty that looks like a great feature for a tiny bridge service
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schmarty of course most ActivityPub systems probably send those created/inReplyTo pings to posts that have a full identity, webfinger, and inbox setup.
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schmarty *only send
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[snarfed] um that's what bridgy fed is 😂
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Loqi [snarfed]: tantek__ left you a message 2 hours, 22 minutes ago: WDYT of https://indieweb.org/ActivityPub#ActivityPub_Notifications_to_Webmention - worth filing as a feature request for Bridgy listen?
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GWG Okay, I finished writing this mini-plugin and deployed it. Let's see what happens .
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schmarty snarfed: for some reason i thought bridgy fed was for turning outbound webmention'd replies into activitypub create/inReplyTo actions
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[snarfed] it's both!
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schmarty oh!
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schmarty looks like we are all just catching up to you 😂
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[snarfed] lol
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[snarfed] cc [tantek]
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aaronpk [snarfed]: whoa do you do full inbox processing and validation and such?
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aaronpk I first tested by pasting a mastodon permalink into my webmention form and it Just Worked™
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[snarfed] yay!
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[snarfed] definitely not full inbox processing, no
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Loqi giggles
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@jameshull Oh no. I discovered Microsub servers, Aperture, Monocole, and Together. What crazy new Indie-world is this?! https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1013628846426517504)
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tantek__ why oh no?
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aaronpk That's how I feel when i get nerdsniped into something new :-)
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@jameshull Hrmmm. Can’t seem to find a good introductory, http://here-is-how-you-go-about-setting-up-microsub-with-micro.blog post. Anyone have a good resource for this newness? (twitter.com/_/status/1013639132923551744)
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ Do you use a http://hosted-Micro.blog? Unfortunately, I think the challenge is you have to add a Microsub link to the header http://Hosted-micro.blog’s, which doesn’t have built in support yet I don’t think. (twitter.com/_/status/1013641239256805376)
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schmarty okay! 🕸💍.ws now supports checking your homepage for its next and previous links. at least in the sense that it currently Works For Me™
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schmarty next up i need to model the actual previous and next relationships rather than choosing random entries
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schmarty then this will be ready for a public write-up
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schmarty can't wait for all the single-character emoji namespace collision
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@ChrisAldrich I've had refbacks on the brain, so I figured since I've already got the pingbacks, trackbacks, and webmentions enabled, what's one more way to communicate with my website from the outside? #everythingoldisnewagain https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/01/refbacks-support-for-my-website/ (twitter.com/_/status/1013655479090679808)
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[dougbeal] What is TWITIWAE
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition is a podcast by Marty McGuire that summarizes the This Week in the IndieWeb weekly digest newsletter https://indieweb.org/TWITIWAE
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tantek__ hey schmarty I tried to sign-in to Indie Web Ring but was rejected with a JSON error about no auth endpoint :sadface: - no rel=me / indielogin fallback?
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tantek.com edited /tag-reply (+26) "emojicon" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /🏷 (+23) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /untag (+133) "/* GitHub */ sample rendering from silo" (view diff)
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tantek__ alright time to start brainstorming plain text equivalents for tag-of and untag-of posts
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tantek.com edited /tag-reply (+931) "/* Brainstorming */ text only design, update sample markup accordingly" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /tag-reply (+297) "/* Brainstorming */ more markup" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /tag-reply (-151) "/* How to simple tag-reply */ presume authorship elsewhere or already in typical h-entry templates" (view diff)
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tantek__ drafted some plain text and simple markup brainstorms for tag-of (similar for untag-of) https://indieweb.org/tag-reply#text_only_design
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tantek__ comments / feedback welcome!
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tantek__ it looks like I'm going to have to implement a new explicit short code for my tag-of posts, per my existing Whistle design, 'd'
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tantek__ as (un)tag-of posts are a special kind of edit/diff post
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schmarty tantek: 🕸💍 only supports explicit authorization endpoints at the moment. I am interested in adding relme fallbacks at some point but I’m not aware of best practices for that and don’t want to default to sending everything through indielogin (because it’s not public)
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aaronpk attempts to follow a mastodon user's atom feed from aperture
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aaronpk is pleased that it worked, although disappointed that the title of every post is "New status by _____"
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aaronpk attempts to reply to a mastodon post from Monocle
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aaronpk it worked!
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sknebel Wow
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[manton] [aaronpk] That's one of my nitpicks with Mastodon. The feeds seem primarily designed for use in Mastodon. I do a little cleanup when they're loaded in Micro.blog.
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aaronpk at this point mastodon isn't even consuming its own atom feeds so I wouldn't be surprised if they break pretty bad in the near future
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aaronparecki.com edited /spoiler (+4) "link" (view diff)
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@manton2 IndieAuth for http://Micro.blog: http://www.manton.org/2018/07/indieauth-for-micro-blog.html (twitter.com/_/status/1013775741048279041)
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@GR36 Im not 100% sure what this means, but its great to see http://Micro.blog moving forward http://www.manton.org/2018/07/indieauth-for-micro-blog.html (twitter.com/_/status/1013776386979442690)
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[jgmac1106] [schmarty] not sure it helps but here is the link to the next blog in a ring for the WP plugin: ttps://www.wordpressindiewebring.jgregorymcverry.com/?do=NEXT&id=1
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[jgmac1106] it is just a list of blogs that gets an id tag numerically
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /File:mastodon-spoiler-post.png "https://toot.cat/users/jamey/updates/64101 https://indieweb.org/File:mastodon-spoiler-post.png"
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aaronparecki.com edited /spoiler_post (+244) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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schmarty jgmac1106: thanks! That helps me think things through. I looked at the code for the wp webring plugin you’re using. I am not quite sold on how it maintains order because it requires periodic upkeep that I am hoping to avoid.
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martymcgui.re edited /spoiler_post (+318) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ TWITIWAE transcripts" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] its WP, old, and needs serious refactoring, but just trying to think about generating a first and next, needs to be some kind of order based on when blog signed in using indieauth
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[jgmac1106] [schmarty] could it micropub to indiewebclub.xyz thus making your list of blogs?
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schmarty jgmac1106: not sure what you mean. Make posts to indieweb.xyz as a log? That’d be kinda neat.
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loqi.me created /Permalike (+88) "prompted by aaronpk and dfn added by schmarty" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] Yeah and then the list can make your next, last, random
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[jgmac1106] Could set it up by votes so blogs with fewest votes on indiewebclub.xyz listed first etc
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[jgmac1106] Mean indieweb.xyz
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@jameshull ↩️ Yes, hosted but no, I don’t think you can do that. They added some new IndieAuth stuff over the weekend but I don’t it covers this yet (twitter.com/_/status/1013799281608683520)
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@aaronpk ↩️ @manton2 *just* posted that you can add custom HTML to the footer now! http://www.manton.org/2018/07/micro-blog-hosted-footer-html-and-redirects.html so I think you can add a link to a microsub server there now! (twitter.com/_/status/1013799878961426432)
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aaronpk just remembered that mastodon has microformats on their profile pages too
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aaronpk following someone's mastodon microformats feed gives a much better result than their atom!
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-02-08-11-46-qBSBxIu8Bd.jpg
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-02-08-12-28-4bSPwpblJw.jpg
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jmac Looking into why schmarty's "like" of one of my blog posts resulted in 4 schmarties in that post's facepile (http://fogknife.com/2018-06-28-i-attended-indieweb-summit-2018.html#webmentions), I see (unsurprisingly) that from the blog's perspective, the likes came from four different source URLs, so they are 4 different webmentions, and therefore (goes the erroneous logic) worth displaying separately.
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jmac So obviously I need to update my software's facepile display to flatten on author, not on source.
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aaronpk good plan, but how did he create 4 likes?
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jmac But I'm also curious what's going on here from the sender's POV, assuming schmarty's software is not broken (which I do not assume)
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aaronpk is that 4 different likes all from his same domain?
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aaronpk i've definitely received "duplicate" likes before but usually it's because someone sends a like from their domain and then bridgy also sends their POSSE copy back
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jmac Yes, the source URLs are all of the pattern "martymcgui.re/2018/06/28/NNNNN"
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jmac er, with schema
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jmac But different trailing numbers in the URL path
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aaronpk I do see a bunch of likes of that post here https://martymcgui.re/posts/page/3/
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jmac Oh!
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jmac So those are in fact all distinct like-posts, and not Marty just updating a single like's URL and my blog failing to keep up, or something
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aaronpk yep!
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aaronpk now why he posted a bunch of like posts of the same post is another question entirely :)
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jmac It's not like I'm going to complain about sustained applause
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aaronpk haha
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jmac But this does look like all I need to do to fix this bug is flatten on author, while displaying, and call it good
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jmac And otherwise be happy to store all these as separate received wms
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aaronpk yeah that sounds right!
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jmac But good reminder about dupes from POSSEd posts too; I've seen that before in my mentions as well
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@frankm Manton has improved IndieAuth for http://micro.blog and therefore I have now integrated my Instagram account with my blog and I have added a Firefox extension for sharing web pages and creating new posts. (twitter.com/_/status/1013812310895448065)
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[cleverdevil] Oh, thanks for the heads up on the extra h-entry, [aaronpk]
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: aaronpk left you a message 17 hours, 52 minutes ago: it looks like there's an extra h-entry class on your watch post permalinks, and it confused my reply context
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[cleverdevil] I think I've fixed it.
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aaronpk yay
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@EddieHinkle ↩️ There is also a group of new readers that the IndieWeb is calling "Social Readers" You can see some screenshots and learn more here: https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1013820948359852034)
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[manton] [aaronpk] I've been thinking about expanding Micro.blog's IndieAuth to work for sites hosted elsewhere if the site URL is already verified in Micro.blog. This would overlap with what MyIndieAuth is going to do, I guess, but I think Micro.blog users are going to run into this. (Someone just tried it.)
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[manton] Mentioning it in case you or anyone has reasons why it shouldn't work.
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aaronpk interesting!
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aaronpk this would be for hosted micro.blog sites or sites hosted anywhere?
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[manton] It would be for sites hosted anywhere. Currently it just works for sites hosted on Micro.blog.
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[manton] Haven't completely thought it through, though... Might be reasons why it's not a good idea.
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aaronpk interesting, that does pretty much sound like what myindieauth.com will be for
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aaronpk so you'd go to your micro.blog account and verify a domain like normal, then you'd go to that website and add the authorization_endpoint header to your page?
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[manton] Right.
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aaronpk that's neat
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aaronpk I think that's solid
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[manton] And I guess the token endpoint too, so that Micropub servers could find it.
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[manton] Cool.
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk that's great, that means I could start telling people to use that instead of indieauth.com right away
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[manton] It's actually a very simple change in Micro.blog. I'm play with it this week and see if I run into any problems.
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ludovicchabant Hey there! Is there any existing project that handle POSSE-style x-posting. I'm thinking about something that reads an RSS feed, and posts any new items to Twitter/Mastodon/etc.
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ludovicchabant I've found a couple ad-hoc things that do some of those, but I'm looking for a project that would have more extensibility in mind (i.e. adding more destination services to x-post to, etc.)
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aaronpk ludovicchabant: Bridgy Publish is basically that, but it reads the microformats on the page instead of the RSS feed, and it's triggered by webmention
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aaronpk https://brid.gy/about#publishing
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ludovicchabant is checking that out
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ludovicchabant mmh one of the things I want is Mastodon support... is Bridgy open-source? can I host my own?
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aaronpk yes and yes
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ludovicchabant cool thanks!
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ludovicchabant > "You’ll need the App Engine Python SDK version 1.9.15 or later (for vendor support) or the Google Cloud SDK (aka gcloud)"
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ludovicchabant does this mean the former is if I want to copy that 3rd party SDK in my folder tree, and the latter is if I want to install it in my virtual environment?
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aaronpk that's way out of my league now
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aaronpk knows nothing about python
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ludovicchabant haha yeah, looks like you're more of a PHP guy?
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aaronpk mostly php, some ruby, little go, little node, no python
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aaronpk oh and objective c when I open up the iOS workbench
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ludovicchabant so everything except python :D
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ludovicchabant snarfed : I'm following the Bridgy dev install (https://bridgy.readthedocs.io/en/master/) but I have no idea where `../../../src/gdata/src/gdata` is supposed to lead to? I can't figure out where my gcloud SDK python component got installed...
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snarfed ludovicchabant: interesting! sorry for the trouble. looking now. are you working on a PR?
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ludovicchabant for now I'm working on setting it up locally :)
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ludovicchabant but if I like it, the goal would be to add support for publishing to Mastodon
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snarfed ludovicchabant: huh. have you seen https://fed.brid.gy/
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ludovicchabant yep I have! but I don't want to turn my website into an ActivityPub hub. I want to treat my Mastodon instance as a 3rd party silo just like I do with Twitter for instance
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aaronpk bridgy fed doesn't help with making your site followable from mastodon still tho
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snarfed aaronpk: true! sounds like that wasn't ludovicchabant's goal though
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aaronpk yeah that's just my goal ;-)
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snarfed ludovicchabant: huh. ok! honestly though i'd really expect to add that kind of thing to bridgy fed, not bridgy itself
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snarfed bridgy fed is for open standards; bridgy is for silos
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snarfed (i have no good rationale for that, just how i think about them right now :P)
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ludovicchabant mmh... but silos could have open standards :)
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aaronpk mastodon's publishing API isn't a standard tho
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snarfed sure. but if a silo supports a standard, i'd want to use the standard, and i'd want to do it in bridgy fed
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snarfed (in this case, activitypub)
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aaronpk https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Using-the-API/API.md#posting-a-new-status
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aaronpk that's just a silo (mastodon) API
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ludovicchabant the thing is that I want clean separation of concerns. my website is its own thing (and is actually a statically generated website). the fact that I'm running my own instance of Mastodon or not should be irrelevant
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aaronpk they only implemented activitypub for federation between servers
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ludovicchabant in my case, I run my own, but I could just as well be on one of the big instances
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ludovicchabant in which case I _would_ need POSSE
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ludovicchabant not even counting the problem of identity
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ludovicchabant i.e. what username I want on the federation
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snarfed i'm all for POSSE to mastodon! i'd just want to implement it via activitypub, in bridgy fed
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snarfed yeah we've had interesting conversations about usernames in bridgy fed too. different q.
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aaronpk afaik that is not possible with mastodon and activitypub right now since they didn't implement the client-to-server part of activitypub
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/3
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Loqi [00dani] #3 allow users to choose their own username
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snarfed aaronpk: oh yeah i mean server to server. so you'd still do the full bridgy fed setup on your web site, to make it pretend that it's a mastodon node
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aaronpk oh, that isn't POSSE tho
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aaronpk that's just using bridgy fed to make your site part of the federation
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snarfed ah true, i see what you're saying
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aaronpk your mastodon identity would be on your own website rather than posseing to an actual mastodon instance
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ludovicchabant what's the philosophical/technical design approach to Bridgy vs BridgyFed? I thought Bridgy was "repost your stuff to other places", whereas BridgyFed was "turn your blog into other things"?
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ludovicchabant yeah exactly
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ludovicchabant so imagine I wanted to make a newsletter out of my blog
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ludovicchabant I could spin that as "POSSE to email"
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snarfed got it. ok. i'm still reluctant, but i understand the ask now.
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ludovicchabant and even though it's open standards, it would be part of Bridgy
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ludovicchabant instead of turning my website into an SMTP server :)
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ludovicchabant cool, thanks
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snarfed people already confuse bridgy and bridgy fed, probably partly because the shared branding wasn't a great idea. adding mastodon would make that confusion even worse :P
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snarfed (for other people at least, even if not for you all)
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ludovicchabant yeah I have to admit I had to read the explanation a couple times before getting it
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snarfed regardless. ludovicchabant, to your original q, if you did pip install -r requirements.freeze.txt, you should have a few packages installed in local/src/ ... . that's where those symlinks point to
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ludovicchabant err yeah, my question was about what the symlink origin was, not the destination
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ludovicchabant I installed the gcloud SDK, which I apparently have to symlink to `local/src` but obviously `../../../src/gdata/src/gdata` doesn't exist for me since my clone of Bridgy is in a different place than yours
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snarfed ah, no. gdata isn't the gcloud sdk. it's github.com:snarfed/gdata-python-client-1 . see the gdata line in requirements.freeze.txt.
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ludovicchabant and not only that, it might even have installed in a different place? I don't know... I'm on Ubuntu so who knows where `apt install gcloud-blah` installed stuff
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ludovicchabant oh
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snarfed fork of https://github.com/google/gdata-python-client with some bug fixes
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snarfed ludovicchabant: i assume you've seen https://bridgy.readthedocs.io/en/master/#adding-a-new-silo ?
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ludovicchabant I have yes thanks
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ludovicchabant err where did pip install those requirements then? I don't know how `install -e` works
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ludovicchabant ah it seems to be in `local/src`
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snarfed they went into local/src/
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ludovicchabant so the docs should really say `ln -s local/src/gdata/src/gdata local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/gdata` I think?
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ludovicchabant instead of those `../../../`?
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snarfed they're equivalent
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snarfed .. is relative to the symlink's location, not to where you run the ln command
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snarfed maybe less obvious though, granted
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ludovicchabant oh ok, I was overthinking it then
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snarfed :P
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ludovicchabant maybe I should have tried the command with my eyes closed and my heart full of faith :)
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snarfed hah, i probably wouldn't have done that either
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ludovicchabant if anybody asks, you need PYTHONPATH to have `/usr/lib/google-cloud-sdk/platform/google_appengine` on Ubuntu if you're using the GCloud SDK instead of AppEngine SDK
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ludovicchabant I also get a couple errors running the unit tests...
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snarfed thanks! hmm ok. CI is green, https://circleci.com/gh/snarfed/bridgy , so feel free to post those errors and we can debug, maybe in #bridgy
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ludovicchabant ah ok I'll hop over to that channel, thanks
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ludovicchabant but I think it's "expected" errors that just get printed out to the console... the end result is "all passed"
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schmarty jmac: sorry for all the likes. I think that was actually me fumbling with Indigenous and not being sure about whether it posted a like. There are new buttons on the bottom of a post preview that don’t show click feedback.
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schmarty It’s something I keep forgetting to ask eddie about ;)
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[eddie] 😆
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[eddie] https://github.com/EdwardHinkle/indigenous-ios/issues/203
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Loqi [sebsel] #203 More user feedback when clicking the like button
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[eddie] I wondered if that was why when I read that you had posted a bunch of likes
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tantek__ Good morning #indieweb-dev! While figuring out how to present and code /tag-of and /untag-of posts, I started to think about how they would fit in a broader context of /edit posts, all the way up to representing entire pull requests, and I was wondering if anyone else has thought about this since 2014
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tantek__ e.g. https://indieweb.org/edit#Lightweight_Pull_Request (has link to 2014 IRC chat about it)
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snarfed loves the smell of freshly shorn yak in the morning
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aaronpk snarfed++
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tantek__ one thought I had coming back to it after all these years, is that since then we now have Micropub, which has a very detailed notion of updates
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tantek__ updates are essentially edits, and Micropub has figured out how to structure them. so perhaps we can work backwards from Micropub to what a good microformat representation of an update/edit would look like
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aaronpk that's an interesting thought, since the micropub edit syntax was based on early designs of publishing edits with microformats
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aaronpk full circle
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tantek__ I'm trying to make sure while coding something "simple" for /tag-of and /untag-of that it doesn't somehow interfere or contradict how generalized edits / pull-requests could/should work.
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tantek__ I may be getting ahead of myself a bit, but I prefer to have some visibility into where things are / could be going
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tantek__ I'm particularly thinking of the conversation that aaronpk, manton, myself and others had during the Microsub session about how to treat p-summary as a fallback, and when to use the fallback (e.g. in some cases when there are additional properties you don't recognize or support)
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snarfed research++
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tantek__ snarfed, you may have been there too
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snarfed nah, not in a micropub session
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tantek__ the particular decision we made was if you get to the point of thinking you have an article or a note, if there are additional properties you don't recognize or support, then you should look for and use p-summary instead of treating the post as an article or note
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tantek__ it was a micro*sub* session
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tantek__ so now I'm thinking how different kinds of edit posts could evove and how we could allow for incremental adoption of various kinds of edit posts
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tantek__ e.g. maybe you allow tagging but not content edits (from others's edit posts)
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tantek__ or maybe you only support content edits but ignore tags. or maybe you support both.
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snarfed ah!
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tantek__ I think it should be ok to accept *part* of an edit post
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snarfed hmm. sure! and ideally signal that back to the client
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snarfed somehow
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tantek__ Because if someone really wants to assert transaction integrity, they could use a "pull request" post instead to imply they want the whole set of edits accepted, and that's a special kind of /collection post (at least as brainstormed so far), so I think we are ok with distinguishing that semantic at a high level
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tantek__ "simple" /edit /tag-of /untag-of /location-of edit posts, vs transactional edit post /collection
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@frankmeeuwsen Ik begrijp nog steeds niet alles van de webmentions. Sorry @ton_zylstra, ik hoop dat @Sebsel of @martijnvdven onze redding is. http://diggingthedigital.com/vragen-over-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1013889856639062016)
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tantek__ snarfed, we don't bother with signaling back to a client when we truncate / ellipse comments that are received
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snarfed somewhat different
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snarfed ellipsizing one field vs entirely ignoring field(s)
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snarfed but sure, not strictly necessary
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tantek__ I'd really like to get /tag-of /untag-of posts figured out and prototyped this week, we'll see how far I get during CSSWG meeting discussions
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tantek__ odd to be building/deploying a new response type knowing no-one will be accepting them yet but gotta start somewhere
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snarfed eh i did explicitly ask for examples in the wild before implementing in bridgy
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snarfed feel free to blame me
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[cleverdevil] Hey, [snarfed], I am trying to create a GitHub issue via Bridgy - https://cleverdevil.io/2018/add-native-support-for-indiepaper
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[cleverdevil] Bridgy doesn't seem to see it?
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[cleverdevil] Wait nevermind.
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[cleverdevil] 🙂
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snarfed hmm, looking
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snarfed ah ok
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[cleverdevil] I missed a "slash" in my in-reply-to link.
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[cleverdevil] This makes me want to add a GitHub content type plugin to Known...
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[cleverdevil] So I can hide GitHub issues/comments from my front page.
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snarfed [cleverdevil]: huh. trailing slash? does bridgy need to be more forgiving?
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snarfed it should handle that
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[cleverdevil] No, in the protocol bit of the URI
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snarfed ah
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[cleverdevil] https:/i-am-invalid.com
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[cleverdevil] 😄
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dougbeal What is issue
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Loqi issue is a special kind of article post that is a reply to typically some source code, though potentially anything at a source control repository https://indieweb.org/issue
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snarfed hey dougbeal did you ever get baffle working?
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dougbeal What would it look like to include a link for issue tracker discovery for a page associated with a project, so that clients could create an issue type easily?
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dougbeal snarfed: haven't had a chance to dive back in. Is there a standalone way to run a cloudfront worker?
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snarfed probably? haven't tried
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snarfed maybe try using ek to debug next? (cli microsub client)
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dougbeal What is ek
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ek" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ek is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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snarfed also re issue tracker discovery, i'm not sure there's a need for discovery like that. the usual flow is that a user is on an issue page and wants to reply, or is on the repo page and wants to create an issue. in both cases, they just reply like normal
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#github-issue-comment
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dougbeal snarfed: I think I got sidetracked by ekster
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snarfed ah
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dougbeal That will be my next step, I think
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dougbeal I was thinking it tracker discovery would be great a way to close the loop - you are on a indieweb enabled webpage, notice a bug, pop open omnibear and file an issue
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aaronpk interesting idea!
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aaronpk I already usually have a visible link to the issues page on the footer of my projects
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[cleverdevil] Oooh, that is cool 🙂
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[cleverdevil] For any website that already has a "fork me on github" link, you could just sprinkle on a documented microformat.
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snarfed sniffing meta name=generator might be a start
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dougbeal [cleverdevil]: oooh, a repository pointer as well, for projects not at github.
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dougbeal indiehub!
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dougbeal Is there any popular issue tracker other than github?
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[cleverdevil] GitLab.
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aaronpk Gogs, Gitea
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[cleverdevil] Yup.
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aaronpk bugzilla
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dougbeal What is a source repository
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "source repository" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "source repository is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal What is Hg
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Hg" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Hg is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal What is mercurial
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Loqi Versioning is the practice of keeping previous versions of a post or other item available (possibly through a record of edits, AKA edit history) https://indieweb.org/Mercurial
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dougbeal Is there a github equivalent for Mercurial?
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[cleverdevil] Bitbucket does Mercurial
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[cleverdevil] Though they've almost 100% pivoted to Git.
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dougbeal What is Source Code Hosting
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Source Code Hosting" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Source Code Hosting is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal Should that be a top level topic?
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dougbeal or would it be Source Code Silo?
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/code
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tantek__ sounds good snarfed (re asking for example in the wild first) - I'll ping you when I've got something :)
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GWG snarfed, I found that the unauthorized error is coming from the Micropub plugin, so I might be able to troubleshoot by adding context on that end.
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