#dev 2018-07-08

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aaronpk Whoa
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@matthewayne IndieAuth: Eliminate registration for OAuth APIs and use URLs for identity & auth: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/07/7/oauth-for-the-open-web (twitter.com/_/status/1015764770073350144)
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GWG aaronpk++
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aaronpk haha that "why not openid" tweet was deleted 😂
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aaronpk I was gonna reply but not anymore I guess
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aaronpk getting there.... https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-07-20-24-22-uPxNqPIViE.jpg
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[eddie] aaronpk++
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[eddie] I’m gonna have to program like a madman to catch up with you all!
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aaronpk that's how I feel right now haha
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[eddie] Haha 😆
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GWG I just irresponsibly built a media endpoint in the middle of a bigger project. I really should learn to scope better.
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[kevinmarks] [cleverdevil] you can use unmung as an mf2py service, but running it yourself is better
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[kevinmarks] [aaronpk] did you see https://developer.mastercard.com/blog/why-mastercard-doesnt-use-oauth-20
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[kevinmarks] Sounds like they're asking for indieauth
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[cleverdevil] Ooh, that's shiny [aaronpk]. I'll work o adding h-app.
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[cleverdevil] I am on a three hour layover in Amsterdam.
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[cleverdevil] !tell [aaronpk] I have added the `h-app` microformat to Indiepaper. Let me know if it works for you!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: it's kind of a silly argument because there are a bunch of OAuth 2 extensions that bring back most of those security things that were left out of OAuth 2 core
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sknebel so, for posting issues: do I see it right that currently issues are just replies to a software project?
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sknebel does it make sense to have an "issues" page and ask people reply to that to file issues?
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sknebel although I guess people might mention/bookmark/like a project page, but replies likely are always issues or at least support requests?
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aaronpk I kinda lean towards replying to the issues page
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aaronpk tho I think bridgy publish works by replying to the github repo
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sknebel apropos github, can you add me to the github indieweb org?
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aaronpk whoa are you not there already?
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sknebel no, I have membership/rights basically nowhere. not there, not on the microformats stuff
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aaronpk whoops
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aaronpk added
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sknebel thx
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aaronpk hm, do people display comment timestamps in the commenter's timezone or the website's timezone or the browser's timezone?
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sknebel interesting
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sknebel and timely reminder, I got a timezone bug in my site somewhere...
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GWG aaronpk, if you have a media endpoint, do you still need to support uploading files otherwise?
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aaronpk GWG for fallback purposes yes
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[eddie] Sknebel: for Indigenous I am planning on making an “issues/feedback” page. Then add a feedback button that creates a “reply” to the Indigenous feedback page. To allow people to send me feedback from within Indigenous using IndieWeb technologies
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[eddie] So that’ll be an interesting experiment in creating issues outside of the GitHub ecosystem
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aaronpk considers adding this line of JS to his website to display all dates in the browser's local time
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aaronpk $("time").map(function(i, el){ $(el).text((new Date($(el).attr("datetime"))).toLocaleString()) });
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[eddie] Oh that’s interesting
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aaronpk even better:
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aaronpk $("time").map(function(i, el){ $(el).attr("title", $(el).text().trim()); $(el).text((new Date($(el).attr("datetime"))).toLocaleString()); });
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aaronpk stashes the original display text in the "title" attribute so you can hover to see the original
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aaronpk I think i'm gonna add that to monocle
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[kim_landwehr] Image from iOS https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBLGS4S4U/image_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=e8a419bf3b&name=Image from iOS.jpg Trying to log in to Monocle and I am getting this, not sure what I need to change or look for.
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aaronpk [kim_landwehr]: one sec, let me improve that error message
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aaronpk [kim_landwehr]: can you refresh and try again? there should be better information there now to help debug
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sketchess greetings tech corner....
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[kim_landwehr] [aaronpk] yeah that worked and help alot in debugging
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aaronpk great! were you able to figure it out or still need help with the error message?
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sketchess I would appreciate any good advice on a decent sFTP client. Have to find a new one. R.I.P.
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aaronpk sketchess: I like Coda 2
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sketchess never heard of it...... have to check
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aaronpk mac only tho
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sketchess aaaaah..... not an option
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aaronpk ah well
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sketchess I hate times developers stop working.....
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sketchess Any other options trustworthy?
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sketchess Hmm. Well search is not quite satisfying, then the log way around it will be for now. Thanks Aarron.
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sketchess +n
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[kim_landwehr] [aaronpk] I was able to figure it out, thanks again
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aaronpk great!
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[kim_landwehr] Ok I may have spoken too soon, I can log into Monocle but nothing is loading. I do have several channels set up thru Aperature so something should be showing up.
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aaronpk do you see the list of channels in monocle?
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aaronpk got my first letsencrypt wildcard cert and set up https://overland.p3k.app!
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snarfed aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 155 karma in this channel (1670 overall)
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aaronpk also pretty happy with this DNS trick for getting wildcard certs
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aaronpk gonna do a writeup on that later
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aaronpk and https://xray.p3k.app is up now too!
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aaronpk those are the easy ones :)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+1) "move xray to xray.p3k.app" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /XRay (+1) "move to xray.p3k.app" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Overland (+28) ".app" (view diff)
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[kim_landwehr] [aaronpk] no I am just getting a reload and logout buttons
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tantek__ !tell sknebel,aaronpk No need to guess, it's right there at the top of the page, post an issue in-reply-to the *issues* page of a repo (project) : https://indieweb.org/issue#How_to_post
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ Bridgy supports both to be more forgiving.
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sknebel .
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Loqi sknebel: tantek__ left you a message 3 minutes ago: No need to guess, it's right there at the top of the page, post an issue in-reply-to the *issues* page of a repo (project) : https://indieweb.org/issue#How_to_post
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tantek__ I'll add a brief note about Bridgy linking to its docs about it
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tantek.com edited /issue (+817) "/* How */ to POSSE POSSE to GitHub" (view diff)
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dougbeal aaronpk: Did you automate the DNS challenge?
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[eddie] tantek: huh, originally Bridgy didn’t support the issues page. That was fixed?
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aaronpk oh I was looking at the bridgy docs, which don't mention the issues page
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek__ left you a message 41 minutes ago: No need to guess, it's right there at the top of the page, post an issue in-reply-to the *issues* page of a repo (project) : https://indieweb.org/issue#How_to_post
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aaronpk dougbeal: yeah! no way am I going to set myself up to have to do this every 3 months
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aaronpk also I use linode for DNS and they only update every 15 minutes so I found a workaround for that too
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aaronpk now I have instant verification!
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dougbeal Nice
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dougbeal aaronpk++
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tantek.com edited /issue (+154) "resort brainstorming a bit, add POSSE to Bugzilla" (view diff)
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dougbeal I'm thinking it will be nice having a dev.dougbeal.com that can I can populate from the live wordpress easily for development and upgrade testing
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tantek__ aaronpk, good catch in the bridgy docs. dougbeal, not sure, I think maybe shortly after snarfed got it working? we discussed it back in February I think (on chat)
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dougbeal tantek__: for private issues?
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sketchess :) case solved
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tantek__ dougbeal: I don't think we figured out private issues, or in particular private issues on a private repo yet
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dougbeal tantek__: I was asking about private/comments to myself in wordpress, for an evolving piece
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sknebel I think tantek meant to ping eddie?
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unrelenting.technology edited /sweetroll (+123) "docs link" (view diff)
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tantek__ aaronpk, posted a pull request to update bridgy docs https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/831 to clearly refer to issues page of a repo
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Loqi [tantek] #831 issues should be in-reply-to a repo's issues page
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tantek__ also just discovered https://brid.gy/about#add-label !
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[snarfed] hah that was kinda stealth until you posted a tag-of
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[snarfed] still requires it though. go for it!
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tantek.com edited /tag-reply (+202) "services / Bridgy" (view diff)
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tantek__ snarfed, will do!
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tantek__ I got stuck down the rabbithole of reconsidering /untag-of posts and /edit posts in general in the context of Micropub updates
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[snarfed] heh i saw. no worries
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GWG snarfed, I built a media endpoint while redoing the upload code. Sorry
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[snarfed] GWG: no apology needed! this is all supposed to be fun. you get to choose how you manage your time.
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[snarfed] I'm sure it will be straightforward to separate that out into its own PR
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tantek.com edited /GeoCities (+110) "pagelogo, note acquisition date, shutdown" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /GeoCities (-1) "-! for dfn" (view diff)
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[snarfed] oh and I'm sure it has unit tests right? :P
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aaronpk oops, mastodon doesn't have mf2 classes on images
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[cleverdevil] Whew. Finally on the ground. Had a nice productive layover though 😉
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aaronpk oo
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aaronpk i'm making progress on indieauth for aperture
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[cleverdevil] Awesome.
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[cleverdevil] I was attempting to get categorization working on the iOS Workflow for Indiepaper but ran out of time. I got individual categories working, but multi category looks like it isn’t doable without changing some things on the backend and I don’t think I’m going to bother.
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dgold will you be making that to work in the new shortcuts app, [cleverdevil] ?
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dgold (I'm not sure if its comparable, mind)
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[cleverdevil] Yes!
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[cleverdevil] It’s totally compatible already.
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[cleverdevil] 😀
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[cleverdevil] That’s where I was tinkering to try and get multi-category working.
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[kevinmarks] You'll have the same issue with CW images too with mastodon
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aaronpk muahaha I can log in to quill as an aperture channel now
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[schmarty] 🎉
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[cleverdevil] I’d ask to try it but I’ve been in the air for 20 hours. Time to sleep! Nice work [aaronpk]
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aaronpk hehe, it's not live yet anyway ;)
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aaronpk a few finishing touches... gotta add a media endpoint
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GWG snarfed, I am apologizing because I don't know how to separate it
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snarfed GWG: ahhhh
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snarfed i'm confident it's doable!
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GWG It's because I rewrote the file upload piece and it was easier to add the three extra lines of codr
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snarfed oh wow. so many different change all tangled up together!
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GWG I had to rewrite every unit test to accommodate the WordPress integration.
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GWG snarfed, that's my dilemma
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snarfed the file handler sounds separate though
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snarfed anyway, no matter. i'm confident you can untangle them!
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GWG I may need some advice when I feel I am done on how to submit this thing
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GWG On a positive note, I got rid of ?micropub=endpoint
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snarfed GWG++
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snarfed my first advice would be to pause writing new code immediately and untangle all the different changes you already have
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snarfed every new piece of code you add now makes it that much harder to untangle later :P
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GWG I will try to backtrack. This is all due to the same reasoning, but it is snowballing
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GWG Switching away from parse_query required a lot of unit test changes
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GWG I had to fix 5 spec compliance issues on error messages
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GWG Probably because the spec wasn't finalized when they were written
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GWG I will give it a shot
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GWG My guess is that when I am done, this will be a 2.0 release
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snarfed definitely! big changes, lots of new risk
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snarfed spec compliance/warnings are very low priority. focus on untangling what you already have into separate branches, with tests passing, and submit each of those
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snarfed oh and focus on finding a reviewer who knows all the wp stuff
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snarfed we'll want at least someone else's eyes on it too who knows that, since i don't
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GWG snarfed, I may ask pfefferle. He is probably the most adept in that area.
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GWG snarfed, my intention, once I decided to do this, was make it more approachable for new contributors. After this big step/series of steps, I expect to go back down to little PRs
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GWG It wasn't the only motivation, but it was a hope. Especially after aaronpk's Indieauth article seemed like a dam breaking
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aaronpk it woooorks
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tantek.com edited /ActivityPub (+67) "W3C REC, ActivityPump, based on pumpio" (view diff)
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GWG What works?
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aaronpk indieauth for aperture channels!
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aaronpk oh no I can't use indiepaper cause I don't have the latest macos!
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tantek.com edited /comments (+119) "/* See Also */ context for tweet about closing comments on a whole blog" (view diff)
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aaronpk [cleverdevil] I just noticed that after logging in on indiepaper.io, the access token appears in the address bar. can you make it not do that?
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Have you thought about privacy policy for Teacup? Thinking about it for indiebookclub so thought I'd check for prior art.
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aaronpk gRegorLove: I have not yet, but probably need to
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gRegorLove I noticed the placeholder page :) https://teacup.p3k.io/privacy
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk looks like I was planning to
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gRegorLove what is privacy policy?
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Loqi A disclosure is a bit of content, typically on a home page, on an indie web site that proactively discloses some aspect about the site that the site owner wants the user to explicitly be aware of https://indieweb.org/privacy_policy
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tantek__ aaronpk are you switching p3k from .io to .app completely?
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aaronpk eventually yes
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tantek__ gRegorLove: perhaps ping sgreger for modern good GDPR-aware privacy policy examples?
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tantek__ also the new law just passed in CA
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tantek__ added link to /privacy#See_Also
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aaronpk 🎉 https://media.aaronpk.com/indieauth-for-aperture-channels-kiHDxAifC5.mp4
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[kevinmarks] https://www.futurefluent.com/resource-guides/2018/7/7/saving-a-non-profit-six-figures-a-year-using-squarespace-airtable-and-glitchcom
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Loqi I swallowed hard. I was looking at a four gigabyte website dump. There was no documentation. There was no version control. Just thousands of php files in dozens of directories, plus a sprawling MySQL database. What had I gotten myself into? The files...
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tantek__ thousands. shudder
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gRegorLove Wrote down some notes for IBC privacy policy: https://github.com/gRegorLove/indiebookclub/issues/2#issuecomment-403326516
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tantek__ oh: "heavily customized WordPress installation". sigh.
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Loqi [gRegorLove] Include: (via https://ascraeus.org/page/privacy/) > **Cookies and Tracking** > This site does not use cookies, nor does it attempt to fingerprint users in any way. Include: (via https://ascraeus.org/page/privacy/) > **Data Transfer** > This si...