#dev 2018-07-10

2018-07-10 UTC
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[jgarber] tantek Hey-o! Nice work!
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[jgarber] tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 37 karma in this channel (450 overall)
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[jgarber] I realize now how far behind I’ve gotten on updating old and implementing new features on my website. 😭
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gregorlove.com edited /read (+108) "mv How to Brainstorming subsection since this is still quite new, not formally approved" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, next step in my venue cache array is to add lat/lng for each venue so I can show a map on my event posts
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tantek then again I can "just" use URL or @-name for a venue, have my code translate back/forth as needed for primary post / POSSE tweet, and show map / set tweet location
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tantek this works well for my event posts because most of my events re-use venues
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tantek so the "cost" of once in a while adding to the venue cache is no big deal (currently)
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aaronpk hm, most of my events don't reuse venues
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tantek next step would be to use xray to get the h-card from the venue URL to get the lat/lng etc.
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aaronpk i hadn't considered optimizing for that use case
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aaronpk most of my flights *do* reuse airports, so i have a manual command for adding a new airport code to my cache
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tantek next step would be to add venue posts with fully populated h-cards, and then I can just use my own site as the venue list
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gregorlove.com edited /read (+717) "/* gRegor Morrill thoughts */ on the read-status property, link to today's chat logs" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /read (+314) "/* Earlier work */ note this was a brief experiment, use past tense" (view diff)
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GWG tantek, what is a venue post?
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gRegorLove What is venue?
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Loqi A venue is a named location or address/geo that is typically used for checkins https://indieweb.org/venue
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GWG I get that.
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GWG I thought a venue was an attribute of a post, not a post of its own
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gRegorLove I believe that's what he's referring to as venue post: https://indieweb.org/venue#How_To_Publish
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich, GWG: Which WP plugin is showing the "Reading" facepile here? https://coloradoboulevard.net/12-cool-parks-in-pasadena/#comment-22926
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GWG gRegorLove: Semantic Linkbacks, why?
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GWG I built that addition. It does read-of, listen-of, watch-of.
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gRegorLove Documenting consuming cases.
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gRegorLove Nice!
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GWG gRegorLove: Follow-of is next
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GWG When I'm done Micropubbing
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aaronpk follow-of?
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gregorlove.com edited /read (+220) "/* Tools */ +Semantic Linkbacks" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /scrobble (+251) "== Tools == Semantic Linkbacks" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Any example URLs showing a "watching" facepile with Semantic Linkbacks?
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gregorlove.com edited /bookmark (+64) "/* Tools */ +Indieweb.xyz" (view diff)
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GWG gRegorLove: Not yet that I've seen
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GWG Only listen and read
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@therealizzy I’d love it for MB to support webmentions… Any plans @Manton (twitter.com/_/status/1016506189641904129)
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gRegorLove !tell chrisaldrich I think this was your first use of u-read-of: https://boffosocko.com/2017/12/09/read-pages-381-461-of-origin-by-dan-brown/ Do you still use that? When was your first use of p-read-of? I'm updating documentation on /read
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG aaronpk, the experimental format for a follow post
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loqi.me created /snitch_tagging (+361) "prompted by tantek__ and dfn added by tantek__" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /snitch_tagging (+139) "tantek__ added "2018-06-05 Mashable: [https://mashable.com/2018/06/05/snitch-tagging/ Snitch tagging is ruining the internet. Stop it.]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /snitch_tagger (+27) "prompted by tantek__ and redirect added by tantek__" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Coming out of today's #microformats question I'm thinking through updates to the ibc micropub request...
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KartikPrabhu what is ibc
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ibc" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "ibc is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove ibc is /indiebookclub
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /ibc (+26) "prompted by KartikPrabhu and redirect added by gRegorLove" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Specifically, `read-status` is a pretty experimental property, so should be marked up as p-x-read-status...
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove++ for the fastest un-tanteking I have seen
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Loqi gregorlove has 48 karma in this channel (258 overall)
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KartikPrabhu 7 seconds!
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gRegorLove Haha, was mid-typing so just jumped in there :)
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tantek__ un?
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tantek__ ibc << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBC_Root_Beer
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Loqi ok, I added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBC_Root_Beer" to the "See Also" section of /indiebookclub https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49790&oldid=49531
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gRegorLove lulz
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KartikPrabhu tantek__: yeah, could figure out how to verbify the act of answering a tanteking
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gRegorLove Kids, I'm trying to be serious here! For a change. jk
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KartikPrabhu coundn't
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tantek__ a micropub could easily serve ibc
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gRegorLove So I could just change the mp request to send property x-read-status (or ibc-read-status?)...
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tantek__ kevinmarks, is there anything equivalent to the starting, doing, finished taxonomy in AS?
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gRegorLove But "read-status" also seems likely to change in the future, to be a more general property that /listen and /watch could also use...
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KartikPrabhu began, in-progress, finished ?
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KartikPrabhu works for read/listen/watch
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KartikPrabhu me thinks
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tantek__ per the opengraph URL kevinmarks shared, there's also "want-to"
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gRegorLove So not sure my exact question, but it seems like the mp request could change quite a bit over time and I'm wondering if I should change it now, or wait until it's more stable
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tantek__ https://developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/opengraph/using-actions
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tantek__ in my own queue of things to consider reading/watching/listening
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tantek__ I also have a "recommended" state, recommended by a person
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tantek__ or maybe that's a separate field
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tantek__ property
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tantek__ see http://tantek.com/w/WatchFilms for some examples
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[kevinmarks] As1 has 'start' and 'complete' verbs
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[kevinmarks] Goodreads has states for that
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tantek__ these states/statuses apply to playing sports/games too
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tantek__ as well as exercising
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tantek__ any kind of to-do
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tantek__ perhaps "want-to" or "have-to" as an additional pre-state before "started"
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tantek__ or is that orthogonal too? e.g. motivation
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tantek__ want to read a book because it was recommended. have to read a book for class.
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tantek__ starting reading the book doesn't change the motivation
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[kevinmarks] As2 got rid of a lot of those, and has accept, tentativeaccept etc
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gRegorLove On Goodreads "recommended-by" is a separate field
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tantek__ kevinmarks I thought those accept, tentativeaccept were for RSVPs
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tantek__ gRegorLove: sounds like another potential property worth adding to /read#Brainstorming with that citation
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gRegorLove Personally (speculating), I would probably use a tag to indicate if I needed to read something for class.
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tantek__ gRegorLove: like category:want vs category:assignment ?
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tantek__ maybe worth adding "motivation" to /read#Brainstorming and put your suggestion to use tag/category?
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gRegorLove Goodreads structure is a bit weird. When you add a book to your shelves, it's a "review" entry and I think the recommended-by is one of the fields on that entry, among many others.
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gRegorLove Looking for examples. Will add documentation / screenshots
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www.boffosocko.com edited /lost_infrastructure (+790) "capitalizations; improved links; added additional description/function for the comparison chart; see also; Indiepaper" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /GitHub (+82) "/* Features */ org invites acceptances" (view diff)
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tantek__ since issues can have labels in them (as tags/categories) and Bridgy POSSEs them along with the issues, I wonder if the same is true for replies to / comments on issues
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tantek__ going to try and see if it works
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[kevinmarks] I think they were also for assigning bugs etc - Jira is a big activity streams user
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tantek__ hmm looks like I need to improve my auto-tagger to allows "-" in tags
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tantek__ ok got that working
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tantek__ here goes nothing
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KartikPrabhu gives Loqi a nothing
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Loqi loves the nothing
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tantek__ gives Loqi a void
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Loqi eyes the void
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KartikPrabhu good job Loqi
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tantek__ and nope, a label in a reply is not enough to cause bridgy to add the label
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tantek__ not necessarily that it should be
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KartikPrabhu hmm the label is assocaited with the reply and not the issue?
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KartikPrabhu looks like a use for tag-of ?
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tantek__ though it would be consistent with new issue + category(s) -> new issue + label(s)
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KartikPrabhu oh! is that a thing on github?
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tantek__ on Bridgy POSSE to GH, yes
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KartikPrabhu oh oops my bad misread
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tantek__ I think it would be reasonable
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KartikPrabhu sounds like a bridgy issue filing
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tantek__ maybe
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tantek__ looks I brainstormed this like this: https://indieweb.org/tag-reply#tag_and_comment
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tantek__ which provides the flexbility to make it explicit or not
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tantek__ perhaps that is an "easy" way to implement tag-of posts
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tantek__ on any reply to github, turn any tags into tag-ofs. why else would I put a (hash)tag in a comment on a github issue?
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KartikPrabhu hmmm
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@mxbck ↩️ If you run a Jekyll blog and are interested in webmentions, this is what you want: https://github.com/aarongustafson/jekyll-webmention_io (twitter.com/_/status/1016675703373357056)
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[eddie] tantek: I add project tags when creating issues from my site but those project tags shouldn’t be labels on GH because every issue in the repo would have the same tag
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aaronpk i have the same problem. i want the issue tagged "monocle" on my site, but it's silly to add the "monocle" label to monocle issues on github
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sknebel that should work with bridgy as long as you don't have a "monocle" label in your repo, but it's still something that could go wrong with a more generic case
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aaronpk no it creates it in the repo
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aaronpk oh wait i'm not using bridgy for this 😂
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aaronpk is that how bridgy handles it? I might need to fix that in silo.pub then
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jgmac1106_ [eddie] headed here since we started using parsers and mf2 talk. The entry-content e-content is still enough for the parsers so I will go titleless,
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[eddie] jgmac1106++ for properly moving conversations across channels
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sknebel aaronpk: at least bridgy docs say it does that. but then it leaves the question of how to create new tags...
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[eddie] Yeah, if you want a photo post, using an h-entry, with u-photo on the images and e-content for the "content" such as the caption text, etc
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jgmac1106_ [eddie] go ahead and subtract the Karma given I didn’t realize I was back in #indieweb
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[eddie] haha mistakes happen. Keep the karma because you still thought to move
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[eddie] plus aaronpk kind of bated you by replying in #indieweb
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[eddie] 😆
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[eddie] aaronpk--
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aaronpk i never said anything about markup ;-)
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[eddie] haha true
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[kim_landwehr] https://monocle.p3k.io/
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[kim_landwehr] I getting this error when i try to log into monocle. Help!
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[eddie] What error is that?
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@Archan79 Elon Musk just putted almost impossible engineering stunt creating his microsub. His team literally worked 24h day to achieve that. Fortunatly this Sub wasn't needed, but was almost ready if there will be need. And this amazing piece of engineering can be used in other situations (twitter.com/_/status/1016750055481643008)
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tantek__ wow Elon has a microsub server? 😂
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skippy http://instantrimshot.com/
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[eddie] 😆
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[kim_landwehr] Sorry, the share didn’t work
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[kim_landwehr] Image from iOS https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBMKN29FT/.jpg?pub_secret=e9a3b6a0fa&name=.jpg Let’s try again. This is what I am seeing
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gRegorLove [kim_landwehr], Looks like there's 2 microsub endpoints in the HTML of your page. The first is 404, but the second works. I think the discovery process uses the first one it finds.
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[eddie] [kim_landwehr] Yes, just like gRegorLove said, you have two microsubs listed. You’ll want to remove the “http://www.wrke.online/microsub” but leave the “https://aperture.p3k.io” one
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gRegorLove Might be a bug with micro.blog; I think that's what's running your site?
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gRegorLove Also some odd micropub stuff showing at the bottom of the page.
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[eddie] Micro.blog lets you edit the footer, which is where this stuff is located, so I think it should be as simple as logging into the micro.blog footer and removing the microsub link there.
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gRegorLove Ohh, there's an entire <head> element in the footer, and it looks like copy/paste of micropub documentation for a request.
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gRegorLove That's odd; should be removed.
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KartikPrabhu odd to put a <head> element in the <body>
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gRegorLove Yeah, micro.blog should probably prevent that
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aaronpk that's tricky, because it shouldn't have too many restrictions on what you can put in the footer
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aaronpk the other solution is for micro.blog to have a field to enter a microsub URL like manton was suggesting, then people wouldn't have to mess with HTML at all
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gRegorLove Re: AVG, hah: https://support.avg.com/answers?id=9060N000000TojfQAC
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gRegorLove "Is accountlink.yahoo.com really a phishing site?
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gRegorLove "
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk I feel less bad about that now
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:facebook-create-location.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:facebook-create-location.png"
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aaronparecki.com created /create_location (+1056) "add examples of existing UIs" (view diff)
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@cmbaughman Here is yet another cool little known #html feature called #webmentions https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/30/11/your-first-webmention @aaronpk really does a nice job of introducing it. (twitter.com/_/status/1016805956443885570)
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KartikPrabhu webemention is not a html mfeature!
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snarfed let's appreciate the enthusiasm and forgive minor semantics :P
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KartikPrabhu I know :)
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KartikPrabhu someone on Twitter will do it anyway :P
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KartikPrabhu what is webmention
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Loqi Webmention is a web standard for mentions and conversations across the web, a powerful building block that is used for a growing federated network of comments, likes, reposts, and other rich interactions across the decentralized social web https://indieweb.org/Webmention
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KartikPrabhu tantek__: I brought this up because the webmention spec also supports verifying JSON documents https://webmention.net/draft/#webmention-verification
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KartikPrabhu also note "Other content types may be handled at the implementer's discretion."
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KartikPrabhu anyway this is too pedantic and not useful I admit
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tantek__ you are arguing theoretical capabilities vs. use in practice, not a very strong mehod of argument
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tantek__ method*
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KartikPrabhu the spec started the theoretical stuff not me
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tantek__ I believe we got one JSON implementation while going through testing
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KartikPrabhu I really don't care about parsing anything but HTML
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tantek__ spec didn't do anything, you made an argument using the spec as the basis for it
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KartikPrabhu I used a direct quote with citation from the spec
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KartikPrabhu anyway, not useful
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tantek__ the spec allows you as an implementer to "don't care about parsing anything but HTML"
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KartikPrabhu I know
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tantek__ to your point, calling it a feature of HTML is not much of a stretch
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KartikPrabhu sure
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tantek__ *in practice*, regardless of what the spec "allows"
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tantek__ this often happens with new specs, there are aspects that allow for a number of axes of flexibility initially, because proponents of different approaches want to preserve the potential of those different approaches
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tantek__ as specs evolve, sometimes those aspects are tightened up, depending on what's adopted and what's not
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KartikPrabhu I would have thought specs start out more specific and expand to suite new uses instead of the other way around
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Library_Thing (+232) "expand stub: emojicon; see also" (view diff)
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[kim_landwehr] Image from iOS https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBPHG1LJ2/.jpg?pub_secret=8b200d6ae1&name=.jpg Cleaned things up, but still can’t log in to monocle
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aaronpk can you log in to aperture right now?