#dev 2018-07-11

2018-07-11 UTC
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[eddie] [kim_landwehr] I think I’ve seen www.wrke.online before. If you originally signed up as www. In Aperture the www. And the naked domain probably don’t match
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[eddie] Because the lack of authorization in that screenshot is just “wrke.online”
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[kim_landwehr] Thanks to [aaronpk] I realized I cleaned things up too well and had removed the indie auth and indie token gotten from aperture, trying again
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[kim_landwehr] Ok I can now log into aperture but still getting error message on Monocle, also when I try to use Indigenous I can log in but no channels load
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gRegorLove Thanks for expanding, [chrisaldrich]. Did you see the tell I left you the other day?
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[eddie] Sounds like Monocle and Indigenous are facing the same errors. Indigenous just isn’t good with communicating those (which I need to do better)
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[eddie] What are the errors from Monocle, [kim_landwehr] ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "errors from Monocle, [kim_landwehr]" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "errors from Monocle, [kim_landwehr] is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kim_landwehr] Image from iOS https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FBNBE8AFL/.jpg?pub_secret=a095d62f71&name=.jpg This is what is still coming up @eddie
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aaronpk i'm really confused now, when I try to visit http://wrke.online/ I get a generic nginx page
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Loqi Thoughts in My Head
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aaronpk Loqi doesn't apparently
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[eddie] I think it is a recent micro.blog convert
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[eddie] [kim_landwehr] did you switch it to Micro.blog in the last 48 hours?
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[eddie] thinks it’s DNS again maybe?
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[chrisaldrich] [gregorlove] I saw it in #meta I think. Sill need to pull up my db to figure out when my first u-read was. Don't think I've ever done a p-read yet.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: jeremycherfas left you a message 3 weeks, 2 days ago: I noticed that Telegraph was unable to send a webmention from https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/this-is-my-indieweb to https://boffosocko.com/2018/06/15/defining-the-indieweb/ Error is 401 "The webmention endpoint did not return a status URL"
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: gRegorLove left you a message 22 hours, 31 minutes ago: I think this was your first use of u-read-of: https://boffosocko.com/2017/12/09/read-pages-381-461-of-origin-by-dan-brown/ Do you still use that? When was your first use of p-read-of? I'm updating documentation on /read
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[kim_landwehr] Yes, [eddie] just connected that domain to micro.blog early this morning
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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich], your recent read posts on https://boffosocko.com/kind/read/ use p-read-of. Maybe that's one of the plugins doing the markup
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[eddie] [kim_landwehr] DNS can do funky things, so that might be it. The server might not be able to verify something. Just to verify. When you log into Aperture (which works?), you enter “http://wrke.online”?
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Loqi Thoughts in My Head
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tantek__ KartikPrabhu: yes that is how specs *should* ideally be developed, and the smaller the community that develops them, the more likely they start out more specific and expand to suit new uses instead of the other way around. Webmention started narrower here in IndieWeb, and was broadened in terms of other content types in the broader community of W3C participants.
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[kim_landwehr] I decided to let it go until the morning, to give everything time to settle down thanks all
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[jgarber] KartikPrabhu: I regret missing the earlier Webmention spec conversation. That’s basically what I’m working on right now.
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[jgarber] Pre-v0.1.0 webmention verifier (in Ruby natch) that supports verifying plaintext and HTML based largely on the spec. JSON’s the last bit of the puzzle.
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oodani are there plans to implement the openid-to-indieauth delegation service as part of indielogin.com or the other indieauth.com-replacing service? or are we basically thinking it's too much effort given how few openid consumers there are?
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aaronpk the one that's at indieauth.com right now?
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aaronpk that would fall under the yet-to-be-developed half of the replacmeent of indieauth.com
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aaronpk but I'm not particularly interested in implementing it, because I'm pretty sure stackexchange was the last major consumer of indieauth.com's OpenID, and that's going away
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aaronpk I really need to actually log the openid consumers that are still being used on indieauth.com
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oodani yeah, might be worth gathering that info
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oodani but also yeah, it's most likely not being consumed enough to be worth reimplementing
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aaronpk at this point anyone talking about openid is talking about openid connect, which is oauth more than it is openid 1
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tantek__ aaronpk, could be interesting to see a openid consumers leaderboard
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aaronpk heh i'm probably the biggest provider left
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tantek__ exactly
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oodani i started using gitea.io recently and it supports openid (1? 2? idk) but it'd probably be way easier to get the gitea folks to add indieauth support than to keep delegating ye olde openid :p
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aaronpk oh please feel free to +1 this issue
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aaronpk https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/27#issuecomment-394450408
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Loqi [aaronpk] It would be fantastic if Gitea were its own OAuth2 provider! In fact, [IndieAuth](https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/) is the perfect candidate for how to implement this. IndieAuth is an OAuth 2.0 extension, which avoids the centralized problems with...
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aaronpk and https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/3837
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Loqi [coolaj86] #3837 Simpler UX for OAuth2 login with GitHub
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aaronpk those conversations and a few others are what prompted me to write that blog post this weekend
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oodani indieauth is a perfect fit for gitea honestly :3
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aaronpk it really is
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oodani "it's like a convenient version of indieauth" *proceeds to describe a less convenient version of indieauth* nice
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aaronpk 😂
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oodani oh, huh, your "oauth for the open web" article says that redirect uris are required to be on the same domain as the client id? i'm not verifying that, i guess i should be :o
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oodani hmm, checked the spec, and i think i'm okay? i do <link rel="redirect_uri"> verification and additionally *always* display the redirect uri for manual verification, so if anything i'm just losing out on the convenience of knowing a redirect uri on the same domain as the client id Should Always Be Valid
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aaronpk Yeah if you're checking the link rel that's the equivalent of redirect url registration so it's fine.
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aaronpk If you're not actually checking that, then the next best thing is to show the user that the domains don't match, but really that should only be used when you can expect the user to understand the situation
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aaronpk !tell tantek why aren't you using the event name as the name in the atom feed? It just shows up as "Event" in micro.blog http://tantek.com/2018/192/e1/homebrew-website-club-sf
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ because I got lazy with implementing Event posts in Atom when I couldn't find any AS1+Atom examples of Event posts :P
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tantek__ maybe I should put a static explanation like that in the Atom entry content
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aaronpk AS doesn't factor in to this discussion tho
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aaronpk You're telling micro.blog to consume your atom feed, and micro.blog doesn't care about AS1, but it seems like providing a high resolution version of your post makes sense, and using the event name as the Atom title seems reasonable
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tantek__ my process for implementing each post type for Atom was trying to figure out the AS1+Atom way of doing it, when I couldn't do that, I gave up basically. But I think that was before I told micro.blog to consume my Atom feed
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tantek__ goes to create a POSSE HWC event for FB :/
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aaronpk That's some serious dedication to Atom AS... what ever actually consumed that? I would have just fallen back to generating regular Atom posts if anything
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KartikPrabhu I does generate Atom from h-feed! not very clean but it seems to work
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tantek__ aaronpk I was trying to set a good practical AS example as another potential building block, hybrid/plurality approaches and all that
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tantek__ maybe I need to treat Atom like a lower fidelity POSSE destination like Twitter
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KartikPrabhu yes! that is my attitude at the moment
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tantek__ but the micro.blog consumption case is an interesting one
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KartikPrabhu main stuff is my site HTML+mf2, atom is a side-thing like POSSE
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tantek__ maybe that should now be the top priority use-case for Atom, if you're going to bother with Atom at all
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@matpacker ↩️ The support guys at @WordPress are being helpful trying to work out where the #webmentions are going... I'm almost out of my depth here! haha (twitter.com/_/status/1016911628913135616)
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[kevinmarks] I think blogger still supports openid login for comments. Not sure about wp
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[pfefferle] [kevinmarks] there is a plugin for wp (from the DiSO project)
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jgmac1106_ here is someone who takes their webmention testing serious: http://johnjohnston.info/blog/webmention-test/
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Loqi [john] Test 1 Test 2 Test 3 Test 4 Test 5 Test 6 Test 7 Test 8 Test 9 Test 10 Test 11 Test 12 Test 13 Test 14 Test 15 Test 16 Test 17 Test 18 Test 19 Test 20 Test 21 Test 22 Test 23 Update test 1 Testing webmentions, presumably sent by...
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jgmac1106_ thx Loqi that was awesome
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Loqi you're welcome
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[kevinmarks] hm, looks like the openid login is gone on blogger now
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[wiobyrne] I've been trying to make some headway in using Hypothesis a bit more in my IndieWeb work. Jon Udell indicated that this project (https://github.com/judell/h_notify) polls Hypothesis and sends notifications by way of email, RSS, or Slack. He indicates that it might be a starting point for some DIY webmention service.
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Loqi [judell] h_notify: hypothesis notification prototype
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[wiobyrne] My problem/challenge is that I don't have the headspace or background to figure this out...but it's important to me. If you can...please send along some first steps/places so I can educate myself. Thanks in advance. 🙂
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jgmac1106_ [wiobyrne] It is complicated given that annotations use a different schema than mf2, the closest I have gotten is to use John’s html output and just wrapping the entire <body> or <article> of the page in h-entrty
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jgmac1106_ given your theme the pages, and unlike posts may not even be set up with an hentry and you may have to hardcode it
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jgmac1106_ if you want to add the correct (which is really just proposed currently) mf2 to every single annotation on a page it takes an ass ton of time and nobdy is consuming them so there really isn’t a reason to do so yet
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jgmac1106_ I broke bridy on my site….grrrrrrrr
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jgmac1106_ [wiobyrne] this is the page you need https://indieweb.org/quotation I think with time I can play with judell’s app and have it output correctly but its just above my skill level so will take more time than I have, John said if I map it out he will help
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jgmac1106_ [wiobyrne] I am going to have my students use fragmentions on their websites but keep hypothesis for the pdfs…I think….
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jgmac1106_ !tell tantek the setting is SNAP for shortened url is %SURL% versus %URL% I should be back to full url now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk just launched place search in quill's event interface
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aaronpk now it posts an h-card to your micropub endpoint
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aaronpk hopefully this means I start posting events more regularly
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jgmac1106_ aaronpk++
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aaronpk oh that's so cool, it works great
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jgmac1106_ [wiobyrne] one this to remember is hypothes.is could add mf2 to their annotations as well as their schema.org, SemPress does this will as a WP theme, they choose not to. They came up with “open standard” only they use. The ultimate goal is to “white fence” help into taking their Hypothesis API and rendering an HTML file that adds the mf2
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jgmac1106_ first step is to write up each kind of possible annotation, that would be a highlight, a quote with a reply, a reply to an annotation, a reply to an annotation with a quote, an image in each variant and a video in each variant. That is what judell needs from us for step one, but these are experimental post types to begin with: https://indieweb.org/posts#Kinds_of_Posts
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aaronpk omg why didn't I do this ages ago
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jgmac1106_ onlye the first section of post types are recognized as “official” on the mf2 wiki,
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jgmac1106_ [aaronpk] do you have ann excample to see
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[eddie] aaronpk++ That’s awesome
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jgmac1106_ folks were just saying events are so hard
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aaronpk lemme screencast the next one I post
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[eddie] Now I just need events to post!
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[eddie] haha
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jgmac1106_ I made my house into an hcard so I can checkin when I get home, now I can make dinner an event
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[schmarty] aaronpk: that is awesome!
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[schmarty] can i get you to add featured image and content fields? if so i can replace /Slater ;}
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aaronpk ooh
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aaronpk probably
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[schmarty] (j/k i will probably actually use this to add venue search to Slater, for multiple implementations)
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aaronpk oh just thought of another improvement
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jgmac1106_ reminds me [schmarty] I need to get back to Kapowski and see if I can add the form fields I want, I am sure what I did is broken but fixing it will be good learning
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aaronpk I should set the timezone offset automatically based on the location
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[schmarty] aaronpk: oh wow, i haven't used the google places API. the fact that they include typeahead is neat!
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Loqi totally
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aaronpk yeah! it's so good
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jgmac1106_ we better get dramatic background music, or just have Marty use his indiewebnews voice
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aaronpk now that I don't work at a very large mapping company anymore I don't have to feel bad about using google maps 😂
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[eddie] haha! 😆
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jgmac1106_ wont google maps start charging you?
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aaronpk yeah they just changed their pricing scheme apparently, as of 2 weeks from now
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aaronpk $200 free tier
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jgmac1106_ [kevinmarks] was recommending leafletjs, it uses esri now correct?
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aaronpk there is an option for leaflet to use esri
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aaronpk we developed that library at our office
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aaronpk looks like the main thing i'll be charged for is the places API usage, which includes 11,500/month in the free tier
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aaronpk so I just have to make sure all the quill users post fewer than 11,500 events per month...
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jgmac1106_ that would be a ton of events
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aaronpk and includes 10,000 "autocomplete sessions" which i'm not 100% clear on what a "session" is
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aaronpk ooh I see it in the docs now
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aaronpk https://developers.google.com/places/web-service/autocomplete#session_tokens
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sknebel [wiobyrne]: what exactly would you want a hypothesis integration for your site to do?
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aaronpk yesss now the timezone is set automatically
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[eddie] That is awesome!
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[schmarty] that's great!
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sknebel heh, reading the related Google API ToS reminds me why I dislike using APIs ;)
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/11/8/quill-event
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Quill's event creation UI now has venue autocomplete and a map preview, and sends the full venue information to your Micropub endpoint as an h-card! Selecting a location also sets the timezone offset of the event start/end date properly too! This ... https://aaronparecki.com/2018/07/11/8/photo.png [video]
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[wiobyrne] Hey @sknebel, I would see it as being three levels. 1) embed an individual annotation in a WordPress post in a workable fashion; 2) pull annotations from a source and copy/paste/embed into WordPress post for use in bookmarking/read/reply; 3) pull annotations across tags/categories/user to copy/paste/embed in WP post.
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[wiobyrne] That would be basics. To really rock and roll, I'd want this https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/1015346521301061632
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@ChrisAldrich @wiobyrne @heatherstaines @xolotl @hypothes_is @remikalir @onewheeljoe @Seecantrill @dr_jdean @i_annotate @judell When it comes to the "conversation" side of what you're looking for, I think the biggest piece you're really missing is that http://Hypothes.is doesn't support sending webmentions. [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/06/reply-to-ian-obyrne-relating-to-annotations/ (twitter.com/_/status/1015346521301061632)
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schmarty aaronpk++
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[kevinmarks] Did you look at foursquare's api?
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[kevinmarks] I found leaflet.js very easy to use and very flexible with whose map tiles you can choose from
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[cleverdevil] Wow, nice job aaronpk!
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[cleverdevil] [eddie]++ for the pull request for Indiepaper for iOS! You rock.
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[cleverdevil] I’m headed to the airport for my long trip home. Not sure I’ll have the brainpower to do a full review/merge yet. But I’ll get to it as soon as I can.
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[eddie] No worries 🙂 Take your time
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[cleverdevil] It looks awesome. I’ll keep my eye open for iOS widgets for the tagging UI.
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[cleverdevil] This one looks promising - https://github.com/ElaWorkshop/TagListView/blob/master/README.md
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[eddie] That does look promising. I have yet to get a project to build properly with Carthage (Seems like a better dependency library than CocoaPods). But I definitely need to figure it out because I need to add a 3rd party library or two to Indigenous to get some features that I shouldn’t build from scratch
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[eddie] I tried to do another tag library but ran into issues. Not sure if it was the library, Carthage or my Xcode Beta
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[eddie] lol
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[cleverdevil] 😉
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[cleverdevil] I wish Apple had something native for packaging like this rather than having to use third parry tooling. It introduces complexity.
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[cleverdevil] We will figure it out.
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[cleverdevil] Shame Apple doesn’t have NSTokenField in UIKit. They clearly have something (they use it in Mail on iOS), but it must be private at the moment.
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[eddie] Yeah, I was surprised that they wouldn’t have it as part of the system. Mail, Messages, it’s all over the place
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[eddie] And yeah, it would be great to have an official package manager, especially if it was built in Xcode
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sknebel [kevinmarks]: afaik foursquare has fairly strict rules about presentation, e.g. you have to link to their page and add attribution always, which would be a bit odd/difficult for a micropub client
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martymcgui.re edited /Glitch (+700) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add my Glitch projects so far" (view diff)
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dougbeal What is IMAP
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IMAP" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IMAP is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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dougbeal What is email
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Loqi Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport, with typical user interfaces that encourage excessively lengthy messages, in contrast to texting https://indieweb.org/email
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schmarty aaronpk: should Twitter relme links work with indielogin.com? i'm working on 🕸💍 and getting an error that a twitter profile URL isn't supported:
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schmarty https://media.martymcgui.re/df/b5/af/23/93d16ae5c95cf9db61c0325e341b13c5596668a7d9504080269997d8.png
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aaronpk I thought I fixed that but try changing it to all lowercase
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schmarty aaronpk: that did it
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schmarty aaronpk: womp womp, capitalization bites on the other end as well:
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schmarty https://media.martymcgui.re/3d/66/f8/05/1571b080d091acbb705691089f5fe165d6f26ce097f337ca00daffce.png
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schmarty (so, for a twitter name with capitalization, when capitalized in the rel=me link, indielogin doesn't recognize it as a twitter connection to begin auth. when lowercased in the rel=me link, indielogin detects a mismatch when returning from auth.)
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schmarty looks like the issue is still open. i added this discussion to it: https://github.com/aaronpk/indielogin.com/issues/13
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Loqi [MegaByte] #13 Capital letters in account names not recognized
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aaronpk haha whoops i'll go fix that...
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aaronpk schmarty: should be fixed now!
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schmarty aaronpk 🎉 i can log in! i think i'll put back the old capitalization. also, lol congrats message:
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schmarty https://media.martymcgui.re/ae/2d/95/ca/965fa0bee056e64d260dc627a7fce462a7dadfbf0a77331788ce5455.png
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aaronpk whut
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aaronpk what browser
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schmarty that was chrome (Version 67.0.3396.99 (Official Build) (64-bit)) n a private window
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aaronpk can you do a hard refresh to make sure you have the latest css? I just changed some footer stuff the other day
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schmarty did a cmd-shift-r and started over from the homepage. looks the same. :/
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aaronpk weiiiird, I am using the same version Version 67.0.3396.99 (Official Build) (64-bit)
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schmarty might be a screen size issue? seems like the text is perfectly centered if the footer wasn't part of the viewport calculation.
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aaronpk I can't get it to do that tho
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aaronpk at any size
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-07-11-12-45-24-89V5hCbDOn.jpg
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schmarty hmmm, even weirder i can scroll below the footer
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schmarty so i think it's a footer placement issue
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aaronpk I was having that problem until I fixed the footer css...
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schmarty i might be the only one seeing it. 🤷‍♂️
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schmarty in other news, 🕸💍 will now use indielogin.com if authorization endpoint discovery fails, and it was really easy to set up!
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schmarty aaronpk++
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aaronpk yay
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Loqi giggles
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aaronpk oh I see the problem now... ok back to the drawing board
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@mikeestee there are so many things to hold @elonmusk to task for, but building a microsub at the bequest of a rescue team isn’t one of them. (twitter.com/_/status/1017138597911146496)
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tantek__ schmarty++ I'll try it!
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Loqi tantek__: jgmac1106_ left you a message 6 hours, 30 minutes ago: the setting is SNAP for shortened url is %SURL% versus %URL% I should be back to full url now
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tantek__ what is SNAP
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Loqi SNAP (Social Network Auto Poster) is a POSSE plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/SNAP
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tantek__ jgmac1106_: perhaps add a "How to use full URL" on /SNAP with that detail?
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tantek__ hahaha I got a barchart!
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Loqi tantek__: lol
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snarfed ah SNAP. seemingly both the best and the worst wordpress POSSE option, for as long as i've known it
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tantek__ schmarty: my IndieWeb Webring membership is live: https://tantek.com/
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tantek__ oops still http://tantek.com/ for now
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Loqi Tantek Çelik
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schmarty tantek++ 🕸💍🎉
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schmarty tantek: heads up your https url three a warning on safari on my iPhone 🤷‍♂️
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tantek__ schmarty yeah because it's a self-signed cert
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tantek__ I use it for my posting UI
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schmarty tantek: oh, that makes total sense :}
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@AhnethAhra ↩️ @kathbarbadoro But Kat, he sent an untested microsub to test...I mean to help, yeah, those cave kids.... (twitter.com/_/status/1017155100807188481)
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aaronpk schmarty: pushed a fix for the stupid footer
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@rubygems webmention-verification (0.1.0): Verify a received Webmention. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention-verification (twitter.com/_/status/1017157309318025216)
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schmarty aaronpk: haha, nice! looks fixed to me!
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[jgarber] If anyone is interested in testing this out on some real-world webmentions, I’d be most appreciative: https://github.com/jgarber623/webmention-verification-ruby
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Loqi [jgarber623] webmention-verification-ruby: A Ruby gem for verifying a received webmention.
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GWG Hello, snarfed
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snarfed hey GWG
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GWG As Ed Koch used to say, How am I doing?
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snarfed hah. great!
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sixtwothree.org edited /Ruby (+140) "/* Libraries */ Add webmention-verification-ruby to list of libraries" (view diff)
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jgmac1106_ “If you agree with me on 9 out of 12 issues, vote for me. If you agree with me on 12 out of 12 issues, see a psychiatrist.”
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martymcgui.re uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:hwc-baltimore-2018-07-11.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:hwc-baltimore-2018-07-11.jpg"
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