#dev 2018-07-13

2018-07-13 UTC
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dougbeal What is hugo
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Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/Hugo
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@matpacker ↩️ Can I post the story to my website first, then syndicate through to @exposure, with backlinks and what-not recognising my site as the source? That would be boss! Support for IndieAuth, etc? (twitter.com/_/status/1017571325387288576)
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aaronpk Starting to really want Aperture to include full reply context in the timelines
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aaronpk I think it’s all of eddie’s reply posts that are doing it for me
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aaronpk And if I do that, then I might as well also start fetching posts from their own permalinks instead of just from the feeds, so that’s a lot of new things to think about on the backend
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[eddie] Haha “oops?” Or “you’re welcome!” Whichever you feel is most appropriate 😆
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[tantek] [aaronpk] should we at least try to iterate on best practices for in-stream reply contexts?
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[tantek] Now that at least we have some (hopefully more than me) examples?
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aaronpk I’m not sure. I don’t really like the idea of relying on untrusted data like that
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aaronpk I think I’d rather do it right and fetch the data from the source
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aaronpk actvitypub solves this by including the signature of the original object so that you can trust that the person forwarding it on hasn’t faked it, but it seems easier to just fetch it from the source
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tantek__ hah just the fellow I signed-in to ask a q
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tantek__ snafed, I tried posting a comment+tag in one post, a la https://indieweb.org/tag-reply#tag_and_comment and it didn't work as either. does Bridgy Publish only support u-tag-of OR u-in-reply-to but not both in one post?
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tantek__ and I can't type
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tantek__ !tell snarfed in http://tantek.com/2018/193/t1/ I tried posting a comment+tag in one post a la https://indieweb.org/tag-reply#tag_and_comment (though without any tag/category markup), and it didn't work as either. does Bridgy Publish only support u-tag-of OR u-in-reply-to but not both in one post? (when I updated that post to only have u-in-reply-to, no u-tag-of, then it worked as a comment)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Here is another more recent example: http://tantek.com/2018/190/b1/scrollbar-gutter-move-to-css-scrollbars New issue, with two labels: css-overflow-4, css-scrollbars-1 Only the first label was added to the Bridgy Publish POSSE copy: https://githu...
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tantek__ just wondering if https://indieweb.org/tag-reply#tag_and_comment was/is in scope for Bridgy Publish implementing or not; I can file an issue if that's preferred!
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@Snorremd ↩️ @nilshauk Super cool! I need to look into how the whole IndieAuth thing works. (twitter.com/_/status/1017719401557225472)
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@jgmac1106 Spending the morning returning to the #IES grant application, then its rebuilding university webpages all day. Yipee…. Should have made my /to-do-list page a post and not a page so I could send myself webmentions as I move through the ... https://is.gd/rfXZdL (twitter.com/_/status/1017720114333044736)
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GWG Zegnat, if you are at your keyboard, any thoughts on https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/pull/135 where snarfed mentioned you?
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Loqi [dshanske] #135 Split off Authorization
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Zegnat I am writing a response right now, GWG :D
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GWG Small world
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Zegnat There you go GWG :)
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Zegnat I’ll also quickly update my auth-header diag tool to check for that redirected value. Nice find, GWG! Did you ever document a source for it?
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[jgmac1106] Looks like my name has been said three times so wanted to derail the PR with a BeetleJuice gif
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GWG Zegnat: Not specifically...lots of Googling
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], sorry, my gif skills aren’t up to it.
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Zegnat Updated the diag tool now. No idea about the support for REDIRECT_HTTP_AUTHORIZATION but testing for it is no issue
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GWG Zegnat: https://www.drupal.org/project/services_basic_auth/issues/2661080
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GWG https://github.com/WP-API/OAuth1/issues/47
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Loqi [panic175] #47 HTTP_AUTHORIZATION is called REDIRECT_HTTP_AUTHORIZATION on some server configurations
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GWG There are two
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Zegnat Thanks!
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Zegnat I wonder if we should be documenting this somewhere on the wiki, or if it is too technical?
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GWG It isn't a bad thing, but I'm not sure which wiki entry
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Zegnat Wat is authorization header?
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Zegnat What is authorization header?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "authorization header" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "authorization header is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat What is http authorization?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "http authorization" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "http authorization is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Hmm, I thought we might already have something.
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GWG Zegnat: replied to your response.
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Zegnat getallheaders === apache_request_headers afaik. So there really is no difference in using those two. I do like your reason for testing $_SERVER first.
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Zegnat Eitherway, I think the function is about as complete as you can make it without redundent getallheaders/apache_request_headers fallbacks
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GWG Zegnat: I like to hope upstream is always improving
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GWG That is why I only make my own function to do something that is already in the system if there is a compelling reason to do so
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GWG And there is always upstream PRs.
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GWG Although on WordPress that is an uphill battle
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Zegnat I hope they will adapt getallheaders for everything at some point. So we can stop with the whole `HTTP_` prefixed keys in the $_SERVER array.
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Zegnat At least capitalisation does not matter anymore as all headers are lowercased by default in HTTP/2
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[jgmac1106] @zegnat @karthikPrabhu is there any special markup or way you are experimenting with mf2 with https://indieweb.org/bookmark and fragmentions?
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Zegnat Not me, I do not post bookmarks
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[jgmac1106] Been talking with John Udell over at Hypothesis and he said it would be easy to use their API, strip down to html, and add back what I want, he just needs me to map it out
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[jgmac1106] would involve /bookmark /quotation /reply /highlight and every possible combination of those four plus an image reply or video reply to each. Which brings back to what would [tantek] say, "Just leave it as the HTML and stick an h-entry on the entire page. Done"
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Zegnat I am not sure what the end-goal is, [jgmac1106]?
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[jgmac1106] writng the post now, first priority is just figure out embedding and using annotations in other posts in the simplest way possible, skipping all indieweb stuff
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[jgmac1106] second priority, and I don't think it is smart, is to think about using annotations within a secondary piece from an IndieWeb perspective
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[jgmac1106] on a different note here is a cool attempt at learnign analytics in the open that long term I want to do with indieweb stuff: http://marginalsyllab.us/crowdlaaers/
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Zegnat You mean annotations as in comments to specific parts of another article? I think KartikPrabhu was doing that, yes.
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[jgmac1106] yeah based on wiki it is a combination of bookmark+fragmention, but then I can get replies to that specific annotation which I think would just be /reply
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[jgmac1106] a photo or gif reply would just get u-photo
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Zegnat Well, anything could be used to reply to the annotation. Someone could chose to annotate your annotation. That’s just about what types of replies you want to handle on your site.
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[jgmac1106] which brings me back to just stick with an hentry on the entire page, but if I get free time I may experiment like you and I tried with citations, I finished the first two in the fork of the citation builder I found, need to get back to it. Test and share. Just a brutal writing month for me
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Zegnat Definitely [jgmac1106]. Just start by posting annotations to your own site and see what you need to get that to work. Worry about more specific mf2 later. Own your data first
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@vincentlistens Adding Webmentions Support First step to fully supporting Webmention on my blog completed! I’m now pulling webmentions, likes and reposts on to the blog. I’ve also got PESOS working via my Micropub API and pulling Swarm Checkins in to the blog as well. Lots more still to do. (twitter.com/_/status/1017793846485377026)
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sknebel aaronpk: Loqi is missing a link here? ^^^
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aaronpk weird
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aaronpk ping
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Loqi pong
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk got stuck
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tantek__ [jgmac1106] interested to see what you come up with in terms of your own use-cases for posting /bookmark /quotation /reply /highlight posts to fragmentions
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /indiewebring (-29) "replaced ringmaster with ringbearer. Keep truth out of parentheses." (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu the ringbearer has to eventually destroy the ring on Mt. Doom
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: no, just u-bookmark-of with a fragmention link
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KartikPrabhu I don't see any need to use new mf2 for fragmention/annotations
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KartikPrabhu example: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/bm-adactio-minority-report-AI
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] “but much to say about humanity” nice thoughts on Minority Report and Artificial Intelligence. Sci-fi is best when it is not about the technology but about humans.
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KartikPrabhu the bookmark link is fragmentioned. I might need to display the response-context better
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snarfed a swarm of chickens
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Loqi snarfed: tantek__ left you a message 11 hours, 2 minutes ago: in http://tantek.com/2018/193/t1/ I tried posting a comment+tag in one post a la https://indieweb.org/tag-reply#tag_and_comment (though without any tag/category markup), and it didn't work as either. does Bridgy Publish only support u-tag-of OR u-in-reply-to but not both in one post? (when I updated that post to only have u-in-reply-to, no u-tag-of, then it worked as a comment)
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snarfed where's benwerd when we need him? 😂
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snarfed tantek__: correct, bridgy doesn't support combined reply + tag-of right now
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tantek__ snarfed, so I should file an issue? as in treat them orthogonally, if both present do both?
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snarfed you're welcome to...but honestly, the use case of combining them in a single post isn't very intuitive to me
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tantek__ as a publisher that use-case came very naturally, as in I wanted to make a comment and in that context add a label
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snarfed does any silo support it? even apart from issues? eg comment + person tag?
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KartikPrabhu twitter ?
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tantek__ well you support it for github issues + label
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tantek__ s/you/Bridgy :)
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snarfed sure, if you want to do two things, combining them in a single post may be more convenient. that logic applies in lots of cases. but doesn't make it make any more sense to me
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snarfed creating issue + label is different than reply + label
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snarfed lots of existing precent for create + label. not much or any i know of for reply + label (or even other tags)
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tantek__ 🤔
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: feel free to elaborate, i don't know of any such feature on twitter
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I think I saw this once on the twitter, but don't know examples of hand
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tantek__ snarfed: any tweet, including @-replies, can include a photo, any photo can be person-tagged. thus Twitter supports reply + person-tag
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: adding a tag or label to the tweet you're *replying to*?! hard to believe
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KartikPrabhu oh! not that :P
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tantek__ but yes the effect is different
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snarfed tantek__: but in that case the tag is of a photo *in the reply*. not tagging *the in-reply-to tweet*. different.
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snarfed yeah
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snarfed much less obvious (or i expect common) use case, at least to me
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tantek__ snarfed, I believe Flickr since they added #-hashtag support in description, comments
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tantek__ as in if you put hashtags in a comment on a Flickr photo, you are simultaneously commenting and tagging the photo
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snarfed yeah? you can comment on flickr and simultaneously add a hashtag to the original photo? as a single action, in the comment? if so that's great precedent
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snarfed great! ok
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snarfed seems so non-obvious to me, but i don't use flickr
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tantek__ that's my understanding, would be odd if it didn't work that way
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tantek__ since they added hashtags at all
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snarfed hah seems odd to me that it *does*. intuition is relative
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snarfed feel free to confirm!
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snarfed gotta run
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tantek__ so, file an issue asking for the suppor then, and iterate there with examples?
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KartikPrabhu so on Flickr, tag goes to the photo itself and not just your comment on the photo?
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snarfed tantek__: sure! low priority for me though, fair warning
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KartikPrabhu what is Flickr
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Loqi Flickr is a photo and video hosting silo founded in 2004 https://indieweb.org/Flickr
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snarfed (how's your python? :P)
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tantek__ very odd, the hashtags in a Flickr comment are clickable in the iOS app but no longer in the web (desktop) UI.
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@nhoizey ↩️ @Paul_Kinlan I moved to distributed, standard based, and @indiewebcamp solutions based comments, AKA WebMentions: https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/1017828818441134087)
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tantek__ !tell snarfed there are two levels to it. at a minimum, the presence of u-tag-of should not nullify / cause the u-in-reply-to comment to fail to work with Bridgy Publish. then incrementally on top of that, it should handle *also* adding any p-category properties as labels
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek__ nhoizey++
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Loqi nhoizey has 1 karma
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tantek__ wow that's horrible - Disqus was 3/4 of his page weight! https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html
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Loqi [Eric Portis] Possibly useful, when you figure out what you want to do with avatars: cloudinary.com/documentation/…
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tantek__ what is Disqus
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Loqi Disqus is a comments hosting silo https://indieweb.org/Disqus
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KartikPrabhu yeah disqus is huge
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KartikPrabhu mostly because of the big javascript stuff
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@nhoizey ↩️ @Paul_Kinlan @indiewebcamp I didn’t have much comments anyway, but most of all, I really like WebMentions and other distributed systems. (twitter.com/_/status/1017830089516515330)
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tantek__ Disqus << Criticism: 2017-07-27 [https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html So long Disqus, hello Webmention] <blockquote>I’m fed up with Disqus. It’s been useful, easy to plug on this blog, but it’s a mess for web performance, and I don’t own my data, so… bye bye.</blockquote><blockquote>Disqus accounted for three quarters of the page weight!</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: 2017-07-27 [https://nicolas-hoizey.com/2017/07/so-long-disqus-hello-webmentions.html So long Disqus, hello Webmention] <blockquote>I’m fed up with Disqus. It’s been useful, easy to plug on this blog, but it’s a mess for web performance, and I don’t own my data, so… bye bye.</blockquote><blockquote>Disqus accounted for three quarters of the page weight!</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /Disqus https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49870&oldid=41425
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Loqi [Eric Portis] Possibly useful, when you figure out what you want to do with avatars: cloudinary.com/documentation/…
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tantek.com edited /Disqus (-6) "/* See Also */ better markup" (view diff)
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aaronpk I think I need to use a new account in aperture that has the 7-day limit because I think some people are having problems with it due to weird edge cases in some feeds
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aaronpk it's gonna take some digging, but I think what happens is someone adds a feed with almost no activity, then a week goes by so the entries are deleted, then the next time it polls it finds all those posts again and makes them show up again as unread
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snarfed heh. sounds like the opposite of eg https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/771
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Loqi snarfed: tantek__ left you a message 16 minutes ago: there are two levels to it. at a minimum, the presence of u-tag-of should not nullify / cause the u-in-reply-to comment to fail to work with Bridgy Publish. then incrementally on top of that, it should handle *also* adding any p-category properties as labels
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Loqi [snarfed] #771 original post discovery: handle sites with high post velocity better
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snarfed tantek__: oh absolutely. 500s are always bugs, full stop. i'm fixing that now.
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tantek__ that'll be a big help because then I can start publishing reply-to + tag-of posts again without getting penalized, and then those can be used as examples for testing / analysis etc.
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tantek__ I had to revert my (minimal) u-tag-of code because it was causing Bridgy Publish to fail
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snarfed heh. sorry! i'm deploying that bug fix in minutes
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tantek__ ty!
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snarfed ...begs the question though, do i interpret those posts as replies or as tag-ofs
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tantek__ yes!
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snarfed actually yeah even regardless of the answer, the right fix for granary's format conversion is less obvious than i thought. it's going to take longer than minutes after all
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snarfed i'll get to it soon, but for now i'd recommend not bridgy publishing those combined posts, until i have a fix
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tantek__ ok
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tantek__ I'll leave the u-tag-of code disabled for now
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snarfed the catch is that i have to convert to AS, and i don't know a reasonable way to represent a single AS activity that's both a reply and a tag at the same time
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snarfed whee
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snarfed (feel free to bridgy publish normal tag-ofs still though! just not in combination with a reply.)
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tantek__ multiple object-type tags right?
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snarfed AS1 :/
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tantek__ right pretty sure that's still allowed
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snarfed more importantly, which verb? i handle multiply valued object (and can probably handle type), but multiple verbs?!
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snarfed afaik not many of those core "type" etc fields in AS1 could be multiply valued
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KartikPrabhu hmmm seems like AS is being a bottle-neck right now
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tantek__ snarfed, presumably: <object-type xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/">reply</object-type> <object-type xmlns="http://activitystrea.ms/spec/1.0/">tag</object-type>
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: just out of curiousity, why did you choose AS as the intermediate format for granary?
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tantek__ KartikPrabhu: I think granary predates h-feed
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snarfed right, that decision was 2012ish
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KartikPrabhu aah. got it. I was confused about this when I once looked at granary's code
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tantek__ presumably at the time, AS1 was the "richest" intermediate format
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snarfed hard to pick winnners :P
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tantek__ "winner"
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snarfed exactly
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KartikPrabhu "whiner"s
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KartikPrabhu :P
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snarfed anyway. i've made granary's internal AS1 handle "more" than strict AS1 before, eg making some fields like these multiply valued. i can do it again. it'll just take work.
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snarfed (switching to a different internal format is pretty out of scope though. that'd be a huge project.)
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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tantek.com edited /exercise (+92) "generalize to physical activity?" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /XOXO (+227) "add a few indieweb related events that happened in the past" (view diff)
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snarfed more discussion on this AS1 difficulty at the bottom of https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/832
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Loqi [snarfed] #832 github publish: crash on reply post with tag-of
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tantek__ snarfed, it's funny that AS assumed one activity type etc. when it's been clear here on a few occasions that things can be multityped in (user) practice
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tantek__ I think AS2 even did away with the one-type assumption
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snarfed probably why they relaxed that in AS2 :P
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snarfed heh
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tantek__ whereas with mf2 we assumed multi-type objects at a fundamental data model level
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snarfed more like, mf2 mostly avoids the idea of explicit type at all
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tantek__ h-entry does you mean
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snarfed whether single or multiple
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snarfed sure
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tantek__ whereas mf2 definitely has a "type" for objects e.g. h-entry + h-review etc.
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tantek.com edited /XOXO (+49) "found an indieweb etherpad about an indie books meetup" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /XOXO (+61) "link to local XOXO 2018" (view diff)
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tantek__ snarfed, also a good critique of why objectypes vs verbs was a bad idea (also dropped in AS2)
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snarfed heh yes
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[kevinmarks] I think as1 assumed that you'd do facepile-like summaries for multiple actions
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tantek__ kevinmarks, if only as1 had documented such design assumptions
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[eddie] I’m slowly build out a new “homepage” for my site, however it’s not a homepage yet. In fact, it’s not even publicly linked to, I’m just using it privately.
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[eddie] It looks horrible as it’s almost completely unstyled, and yet I’m amazed because it’s a view being handed directly from my backend server rather than being part of my Jekyll site which takes 20 minutes to rebuild. I keep being amazed when I do a new post and look at the page and suddenly it’s updated immediately. 😆 https://eddiehinkle.com/overview
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Loqi Eddie Hinkle
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[eddie] And I’m even able to do things that would just be so difficult to do in Jekyll’s template, such as grab all the items I ate within 30 minutes of the most recent thing I ate (which seems weird, but then makes sense when you realize I log my sandwich and my chips separately)
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[eddie] Once I get off Jekyll I’m never going back to it for anything remotely complicated haha, simple sites only for Jekyll and me
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk static sites have many advantages, and being dynamic is not one of them
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[eddie] Yeah. I have abused Jekyll sooooo badly trying to make it as dynamic as possible haha
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[kevinmarks] [tantek] https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/activity-streams/FsVwSS50r6U/vkBJwbDhl68J
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tantek__ googlegroups-- for *STILL* using hashbangs
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Loqi googlegroups has -1 karma in this channel (-7 overall)
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tantek__ hashbang--
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Loqi hashbang has -1 karma in this channel (-3 overall)
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aaronpk lol
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tantek__ seriously there has to be a business model of, replicate "obvious" stuff Google etc. other BigCos are doing with crappy URLs, crappy markup, crappy bloated JS, except with clean URLs, minimal semantic markup, minimal progressive enhancement JS
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tantek__ and you can be guaranteed no competition because everyone else is too afraid to build something in an area that Google already "owns"
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[kevinmarks] It worked for Google Code
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tantek__ You mean it worked for GitHub
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tantek__ yes, that is a very good point.
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aaronpk flickr is ripe for this too. their website has been getting so slow full of js
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tantek__ 1. pick the crappiest "service" that Google "owns", rebuild it with clean/minimal URLs + markup + progressive enhancement JS.
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tantek__ 2. wait for people to gradually shift to your new cool thing, and Google's old thing to get filled with spam, neglected, and eventually shutdown
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aaronpk tho I woudlnt try to take on flickr right now cause smugmug might actually fix things up now
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tantek__ 3. wait 2.5 years
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tantek__ 4. profit
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tantek__ aaronpk, not flickr, because smugmug is not a BigCo
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tantek__ aaronpk, Flickr has already been displaced by Instagram effectively
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aaronpk I guess so
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tantek__ which already had their wait and profit moment
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tantek__ what's amazing is that Flickr is still hanging on
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tantek__ I have some theories about that
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tantek__ (I mean was amazing up until the smugmug acquisition, now I give Flickr a much bigger chance of hanging around than before)
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[kevinmarks] Monica did great work on building out activity streams usefully
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[eddie] !tell strugee So far https://github.com/strugee/node-send-webmention#readme has been working great for sending webmentions, but I can’t figure out how to get the response url back when I use it to send a webmention to bridgy
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [strugee] node-send-webmention: Send a Webmention
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snarfed heh yeah, still pretty rare that anyone expects to do anything with a wm http response
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[eddie] The odd thing is I see some code that supposedly should print the response in the readme, but it never outputs anything
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[eddie] I have automated bridgy syndication now, my only hurtle left is getting the url from the response into my post as a u-syndication 🙌
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snarfed cool!
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[eddie] I found the manually webmentions too much of a barrier to POSSE my GitHub stuff. But hopefully that is changed now with automatic webmentions :crossed_fingers:
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tantek__ eddie++ great!
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[eddie] It was manually until it hurt and boy, did it hurt! Haha
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loqi.me created /Emojli (+251) "prompted by tantek__ and dfn added by tantek__" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Emojli (+1) "linkify ('x is y. <url>.' pattern)" (view diff)
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tantek__ kaja++
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tantek.com edited /emoji (+4) "linky" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Emojli (+46) "tantek__ added "https://twitter.com/emojli" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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aaronpk i'm having a conversation using monocle posting to my site, talking to someone using mastodon, and it's working amazingly
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tantek__ and you're not using Bridgy Fed at all right?
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aaronpk correct
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tantek__ so we now have two ways of making that work
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tantek__ I'm assuming snarfed has done what you're saying, but with his site and Bridgy Fed
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aaronpk yeah bridgy fed would support what i'm doing right now too
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[snarfed] plurality++
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aaronpk I learned a lot doing it myself
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aaronpk also I now know why bridgy fed doesn't do the whole following/followers thing so people can subscribe to your posts
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[snarfed] hah yes
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tantek__ what is design
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Loqi Design is a catchall term used to refer to everything that affects users about a page/site including: Graphic design (including site icon) User interface design (UI design) User experience (UX) Information architecture (IA) URL design https://indieweb.org/design
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tantek__ design << 2018-06-29 Fast Company: [https://www.fastcompany.com/90177573/how-blue-became-techs-favorite-color-and-why-it-shouldnt-be Why tech’s favorite color is making us all miserable] (tl;dr: blue bad, orange/red good)
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-06-29 Fast Company: [https://www.fastcompany.com/90177573/how-blue-became-techs-favorite-color-and-why-it-shouldnt-be Why tech’s favorite color is making us all miserable] (tl;dr: blue bad, orange/red good)" to the "See Also" section of /design https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=49937&oldid=46154
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dougbeal Hurm, is my user template not set up right?
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aaronpk the image URL is wrong
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aaronpk oh wait no it's not
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aaronpk twitter is blocking it
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aaronpk might have to switch to a profile image on your own URL
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dougbeal probably a good idea anyway
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dougbeal Who is dougbeal
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/User:Dougbeal.com
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tantek__ This is an excellent article on "separation of concerns" by adactio: https://adactio.com/journal/14103 and I think the way we design and assemble indieweb building blocks is consistent with his approach. wondering how we can document that in terms of "separation of concerns"
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Components and concerns
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KartikPrabhu yeah that article is very on point. Couldn't decide where to put it when I read it a few days ago
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tantek__ Figured I'd share it here to see if others had thoughts on where to document it
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KartikPrabhu what is separation of concerns
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "separation of concerns" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "separation of concerns is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu what is components
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "components" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "components is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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KartikPrabhu has no suggestions
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aaronpk what is modularity?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "modularity" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "modularity is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek__ difficult to define in the abstract absent any relevant indieweb context
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tantek__ I think we have a principle similar to modularity
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KartikPrabhu right. It is more of a design principle
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aaronpk that's what I was thinking
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tantek__ #8 on /principles
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tantek__ feel free to expand that or create a subarticle starting from principle #8
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tantek__ for "modularity" that is